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    Orochimaru and his arms

    Suigetsu said that Sasuke only beat Orochimaru because '' he couldn't use either of his arms due to the shiki fuukin '' chp 593 p02. But didn't Orochimaru's arms get back to normal at the end of Part 1 ?
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Idk there's so much contradiction concerning Orochimaru's arms it's unreal. I'm just going with it at this point.
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Dunno.I remember him switching bodies and stuff,
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    I thought he's arms were fine that thought he's body was weak needing another vessel?
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    From the looks of it...when he switches bodies the arm slowly goes dead because of RDS
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Quote Originally Posted by SatchiZurake View Post
    Idk there's so much contradiction concerning Orochimaru's arms it's unreal. I'm just going with it at this point.
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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Quote Originally Posted by shortfusered View Post
    I thought he's arms were fine that thought he's body was weak needing another vessel?
    His soul arms are apparently still sealed so he shouldn't be able to use ninjutsu that requires arms and for the most part he doesn't. He does on one occasion though, when he summons the Triple Rashomon gates. And he appears to be able to use his arms for taijutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    I remember seeing him in orochimaru vs 4th tail naruto and his arms looked just fine. They weren't rotting like in the end of part 1. Plus didnt he use his arm to stop sasuke's chidori ??? I doubt he could have done that if his arms were still damaged, remember how he couldn't even use kuchiyose by himself, oro vs jiraiya and tsunade ?
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    I remember seeing him in orochimaru vs 4th tail naruto and his arms looked just fine. They weren't rotting like in the end of part 1. Plus didnt he use his arm to stop sasuke's chidori ??? I doubt he could have done that if his arms were still damaged, remember how he couldn't even use kuchiyose by himself, oro vs jiraiya and tsunade ?
    And that's what I mean by there's contradiction surrounding this topic. It was never elaborated on.
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    oro has to wait 3 years to perform the technique, but he is at he most weaken state during that time
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Prime Rib View Post
    oro has to wait 3 years to perform the technique, but he is at he most weaken state during that time
    There is a huge diference between '' being at the weaken state '' and '' not being able to use his arms due to shiki fuujin ''. There is really a lot of confusion surrounding that topic like someone earlier pointed out
     
         
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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    No they didn't

    Kabuto found a way where oro could transfer to other peoples bodies, but it needed many sacrifices in all groups of ages, for instance when Oro fights Naruto when Yamto disguises as Sasori, he can use his hands, but after some time they have to escape cause the effect starts wearing off. Oro then asks kabuto about his blood type, because they had to use one of kabutos bodies to make a diversion to stop them from being tracked. If you remember, they faked Sais death with a corpse. They then needed this corpse to give oro some life energy for his arms again, so he thought of using kabuto, but his blood type was no match..
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    Suigetsu said that Sasuke only beat Orochimaru because '' he couldn't use either of his arms due to the shiki fuukin '' chp 593 p02. But didn't Orochimaru's arms get back to normal at the end of Part 1 ?
    I think its just that he couldn't do any hand seals. IIRC, he didn't use any hand seals when summoning the rashomon's or using his various snake jutsu against naruto. But like others have said, there has been a lot of contradiction.
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Oro cannot do ninjutsu with handseals (due to shiki fujin).
    They found ways that makes him capable of moving his arms though.
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    There is a huge diference between '' being at the weaken state '' and '' not being able to use his arms due to shiki fuujin ''. There is really a lot of confusion surrounding that topic like someone earlier pointed out
    He was in a weakened state because the body he had taken over was starting to reject him. Now about his arms. We know the bodies he takes over are just a shell to hold his soul but his real body is that of a white snake. When he does the whole process of taking over a body, he reveals his true form, then he proceeds to taking over their consciousness in a separate plane he takes them to. There the next step is taken. The new host 'mind' is taken over in his mental plane he takes her or him to. So he may be just pouring his consciousness into them thus gaining control over there body and soul. Any damage done to him physically, like say the soul in his hands being sealed (ninjutsu), they happen to the host not him.

    i can back up what i said by giving you an example.


    in that picture sasuke succeeds in reviving Orochimaru by pulling his consciousness out of Anko's cursed seal and transferring it into the physical form Jūgo provided by absorbing some of Kabuto's flesh.

    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    Suigetsu said that Sasuke only beat Orochimaru because '' he couldn't use either of his arms due to the shiki fuukin '' chp 593 p02. But didn't Orochimaru's arms get back to normal at the end of Part 1 ?
    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    I remember seeing him in orochimaru vs 4th tail naruto and his arms looked just fine. They weren't rotting like in the end of part 1. Plus didnt he use his arm to stop sasuke's chidori ??? I doubt he could have done that if his arms were still damaged, remember how he couldn't even use kuchiyose by himself, oro vs jiraiya and tsunade ?
    Orochimaru had already transferred to a new body by the time he versed naruto in his 4th tailed state. That body was Gen'yūmaru..
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Quote Originally Posted by teeol View Post
    We know the bodies he takes over are just a shell to hold his soul
    I agree with all you said. I thought his arms went to normal after the transfer. The real question is why then did Suigetsu seem to say that when sasuke fought orochimaru, oro's arms were still sealed ?
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    I agree with all you said. I thought his arms went to normal after the transfer. The real question is why then did Suigetsu seem to say that when sasuke fought orochimaru, oro's arms were still sealed ?
    can you give me the chapter suigetsu said that?
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Quote Originally Posted by teeol View Post
    can you give me the chapter suigetsu said that?
    Of course. Chapter 593, p02. It really got me confused.
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    I agree with all you said. I thought his arms went to normal after the transfer. The real question is why then did Suigetsu seem to say that when sasuke fought orochimaru, oro's arms were still sealed ?
    The dialogue suigetsu had explaining orochimarus arms not able to work briefly after his revival got me confused. Maybe he's talking about something else that kishi hasn't talked about yet. Maybe his facts are outdated or something
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Quote Originally Posted by teeol View Post
    The dialogue suigetsu had explaining orochimarus arms not able to work briefly after his revival got me confused. Maybe he's talking about something else that kishi hasn't talked about yet. Maybe his facts are outdated or something
    I doubt suigetsu's facts could be outdated, he knew a lot about orochimaru. Kishi wil explain this hopefully. He really got me confused cuz i thought oro's arms prob was solved by the end of part 1
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    I'm guessing Oro can't use his arms really. Whatever we've "seen" that appears to be him using his arms just fine, I don't really trust. We've also seen his entire body come out of the mouth of his entire body. We don't know where he really begins and ends, and I wouldn't put it past him to fake a lot of stuff. If the most recent information is what Suigetsu told us, that his arms are still sealed, then that's what i'd go with. If there are contradictions in past issues, those were probably as of now mistakes. Kishi clearly wants Oro's arms sealed.
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Artaya View Post
    If the most recent information is what Suigetsu told us, that his arms are still sealed, then that's what i'd go with
    You are probably right. Kishi wants oro's arms to be sealed, he's got to have a good reason. Just hope he comes with a bullet-proof answer as to why oro seemed to be using his arms well before he died. Can't wait for the story to switch back to Oro
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    the problem is the orocihmaru, the problem is that we dotn understand how the reaper seal works completly.

    arms dont have souls lol cant belive i had to say that.

    Also orocihmaru's sould didnt get sealed or he would be dead.

    As I understand what happened to the fox how lost some his chakra and not his soul is what happened to orocihmaru.


    we still need to know what the reaper seal can do it has many uses
     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    PSukkar: arms dont have souls lol cant belive i had to say that.

    Also orocihmaru's sould didnt get sealed or he would be dead.




    I clearly agree with you that we still don't know how the reaper seal works and furthermore, if he can somehow get his arms to work after it was used on him.

    I think we know what the thread maker meant by arms having soul. In case you didn't know, he meant his soul being amputed from the lower arms, resulting in his physical body to not fill in chakra through the hands to perform ninjutsu requiring nature manipulation.

    P.S: raziel777, is this what you are looking for?

     
         

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    Re: Orochimaru and his arms

    Suigetsu was simply wrong. Sasuke knew Oro could use his arms,why do you think the FIRST MOVE he made against Oro was a Chidori Stream straight through his arms??
    IMO i think your hands are the reason you can do seals fast and if they are replaced with another persons then all your previous jutsu are gone. Why didnt Oro use Edo Tensei again? Maybe cuz he cudnt?...
     
         

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