So Kakashi wasn't soo great after all, as Obito activated the MS for him!

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

So Kakashi getting MS was at the very mercy of Obito! Even after awakening the MS due to Obito, Kakashi couldn't use it till he became an adult, kinda pathetic if you ask me

[Tendou00]

Kakashi is the one who killed Rin and they both awaked MS in same time so your theory fail.
In contrary that just prove that a non Uchiha is the youngest to awake MS.Kakashi is simply a beast.

[Godz]

So Kakashi getting MS was at the very mercy of Obito! Even after awakening the MS due to Obito, Kakashi couldn't use it till he became an adult, kinda pathetic if you ask me

Um ok those are just assumptions and not facts and this is a fail hate thread

[suzano]

hm Obito's trauma of seeing rin killed made kakashi awaken his MS

[shortfusered]

And everyone knows Kakashi has like no stamina to hold the sharingan even when he fought Zabuza in part 1. So of course the awakening of the MS is going to drain him. Stop trying to flame

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Kakashi is the one who killed Rin and they both awaked MS in same time so your theory fail.
In contrary that just prove that a non Uchiha is the youngest to awake MS.Kakashi is simply a beast.

If he really awakened MS on his own, then why couldn't he use it until he became an adult? Don't make sense to me

Just to correct things, Obito's younger than Kakashi, so he is the youngest person to awaken the MS

[amsy]

well it is pathetic i agreed

[jiraiya lives]

Kakashi is the one who killed Rin and they both awaked MS in same time so your theory fail.
In contrary that just prove that a non Uchiha is the youngest to awake MS.Kakashi is simply a beast.

agreed

[Tendou00]

If he really awakened MS on his own, then why couldn't he use it until he became an adult? Don't make sense to me

Just to correct things, Obito's younger than Kakashi, so he is the youngest person to awaken the MS

It makes sense since Killing somoene close is the way to awake MS, Rin was close to Kakashi.It's obvious that his low chakra wasn't enough to control MS and he's not an Uchiha.The most important is that both awakened in same time .
And no according to databook Kakashi is a lot younger than Obito.

[Norphfinus]

I think that as far as it taking kakashi longer then Obito to learn the MS you have to think about the fact that kakashi had nobody to teach him when you know that madara the one that knows all the secrets to the sharingan taught obito I mean who else but madara can fastrack someone in the sharingan

[The Shogun]

don't you mean kakashi awakened the ms for obito?

[narutokage99]

It's the contrary lol, kakashi killed Rin not Obito.Whatever they both got in in same time.

[Champ]

Without Obito eye. Kakashi would've just been a fodder, Obito made him

[KingHashirama]

Same can go for Obito. o-o

[Third Sage]

Pathetic, huh? He uses it with great profficience and he's not even an Uchiha.

[TheUchihaLives]

Kakashi and obitos eyes are linked..so kakashi killed rin unlocked Ms for both himself and obito and ofcourse him being non uchiha couldnt handle the awakening and collapsed...soo kakashi unlocked and obito mastered

[Kalldarin]

Wow kakashi is no fodder, we was called gifted and already a jonin before he even got the eye, your comment is fail.

[Orochimarus Slave]

Without Obito eye. Kakashi would've just been a fodder, Obito made him

im sorry but.. what the hell are you saying? Kakashi was like one of the youngest person to become a jonnin and an anbu.. he created his own justu(chidori). if anything without the MS obito would've been a fodder. and kakashi is the one who made obito, if he never killed rin, obito would have never awakened the MS, so no more MS=fodderized obito. kakashi could do fine without obito's sharigan. in fact he could probably do better since his chakra doesnt have to be constantly wasted on handling the sharigan.

[vegetaHATAKE]

ur just a hater thats all!!!cudnt come up wid a worst thread thn this :flaw: even after being a non uchiha he perfected his ms n other than that kakashi was the 1 who helped obito awaken his ms by killin rin!!!!!!

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

im sorry but.. what the hell are you saying? Kakashi was like one of the youngest person to become a jonnin and an anbu.. he created his own justu(chidori). if anything without the MS obito would've been a fodder. and kakashi is the one who made obito, if he never killed rin, obito would have never awakened the MS, so no more MS=fodderized obito. kakashi could do fine without obito's sharigan. in fact he could probably do better since his chakra doesnt have to be constantly wasted on handling the sharigan.

Obito unlocking the base sharingan itself qualifies himself to be Jounin level at the very least, but Obito has gone much further after training with Madara... and no you don't need to directly kill your closest friend to MS, you only need to witness it, the mental trauma is what that awakens the MS.

Obito has mastered the Kamui, while Kakashi can only still transport things other than himself, not too impressive, and Kakashi uses his sharingan in almost every fight, even against Zabuza lol. Just to top this off, chidori is just suicidal without sharingan. So basically what made Kakashi from being a medium level jounin to S-class Jounin was none other than Obito

[shelke]

No, he is right. Remember how Obito could see through kakashi? His sharingen was reacting to his presence and he was able to locate Rin and him. Kakashi on the other hand couldn't see anything through Obito. Kakashi only recently got a bit used to Sharingen's power and now it utilizes less of his Chakra. He is known to have low stamina and Chakra reserves, a fact he himself admits. He couldn't have been able to awaken it himself. Seeing Rin getting killed at Kakashi's hand caused Obito to awaken MS, and since he was close his other eye reacted. You have to understand that the whole 'See through Kakashi' with his sharingen is very very important here. His eye was reacting to his presence. So technically, when his one eye achieved MS so did the next one.

[hatakii kakashii]

de fuq ??? kakashi is the one awakened both MS for both of them

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

No, he is right. Remember how Obito could see through kakashi? His sharingen was reacting to his presence and he was able to locate Rin and him. Kakashi on the other hand couldn't see anything through Obito. Kakashi only recently got a bit used to Sharingen's power and now it utilizes less of his Chakra. He is known to have low stamina and Chakra reserves, a fact he himself admits. He couldn't have been able to awaken it himself. Seeing Rin getting killed at Kakashi's hand caused Obito to awaken MS, and since he was close his other eye reacted. You have to understand that the whole 'See through Kakashi' with his sharingen is very very important here. His eye was reacting to his presence. So technically, when his one eye achieved MS so did the next one.

and also to add to this fact, you don't have to kill your closest friend to awake the MS,

you only have to witness it, and the mental trauma is what that triggers the awakening. Just like Obito, Shisui, Itachi, and Sasuke awakened their own sharingan.

Rin was Obito's closest friend, and not Kakashi's best friend.

There is no way Kakashi could awaken it by killing her.

[ghost nappa]

They both witnessed the same trauma and activated it at the same time.

[TheRealAkatsukiLeader]

Kakashi killed Rin, in which Obito seen. If it wasn't for Kakashi, Obito wouldn't even have MS; not yet anyway. Neither would Kakashi.

And he's weak for fainting on first use? He's like.. not even 16 yet! He's just a kid, doesn't have Uchiha DNA and he unlocked MS before Itachi! He isn't weak, his limitations are stopping him from using the Sharingan better than a normal uchiha.

Kakashi is an amazing ninja, he has over 1,000 jutsu mastered through Sharingan copy, he uses it very well for a non-blood.

As for MS, he's amazingly skilled at it; a non-uchiha using MS skill, wtf? How is that not talented? And he can aim, and follow objects with it! He's basically mastered it, besides the drain anyway.

Kakashi is an amazing ninja, and has mastered his Sharingan, and Mangekyou himself. Not counting drain here, he can't ever overcome that.

OT: you're retarded, kthx.