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    Why did simply losing the ring kill Sauron?

    I just watched the Fellowship again, and realized that all it took to kill Sauron was to cut off his ring finger. Loosing the ring destabilized him and he died.

    But Sauron created the ring..... therefore he obviously existed before wearing it. This means losing the ring should not have been enough to kill him.

    Did he sink his power into it so deeply and did he bind himself to it so greatly that it simply being separated from his body was enough to kill him? Even that seems like a stretch, as I feel like the ring would have needed to be destroyed for him to implode like he did.

    Thoughts on the matter? Why was simply separating Sauron from the ring enough to kill him? As a note, I read the books but do not recall how he was killed in the book. Perhaps he was actually slain in battle normally, but the movie made him out to be impenetrable.
     
         

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    Re: Why did simply losing the ring kill Sauron?

    good question. idk i guess he put so much of his power inside the ring that his body could not exxist without it.... though he didnt technically die, when the ring was cut away.... his body crushed but his sould remained, as long as the ring was intact...
    you might wanna check out the lord of the rings/tolkien Wiki pages, maybe theres your answer^^
     
         

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    Re: Why did simply losing the ring kill Sauron?

    He most likely focused all of his being into the ring to such an extent that separation would cause Sauron's physical body to destabilise. Though, as long as the One Ring exists, so too does he. The ring functions similarly to that of a Horcrux. As long as the specific object exists, the creator can never be truly killed. I have read and seen Fellowship of the Ring, and I'm reasonably certain that the cause of "death" was the same in both media.
     
         

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    Re: Why did simply losing the ring kill Sauron?

    Actually Sauron didn't die when he lost his finger for what I remember from the books. He was just weakened.

    In "The Silmarillion" Tolkien tells Middle-Earth story before LOTR. Sauron wasn't a human, he was a maia, a sort of entity as Gandalf, for example, and he was good at the beginning, but then he was corrupted by Morgoth and the "darkness" consumed him so much that he lost his human form and became some type of monster. Sauron made the One ring and filled it with all of his powers in order to make it more powerful than the other rings and control them, that's why he couldn't be separated from the ring anymore. So when he lost it, he didn't die, he just was weakened because he didn't have the source of his great power anymore.
     
         

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    Re: Why did simply losing the ring kill Sauron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yasmin Ma View Post
    Actually Sauron didn't die when he lost his finger for what I remember from the books. He was just weakened.

    In "The Silmarillion" Tolkien tells Middle-Earth story before LOTR. Sauron wasn't a human, he was a maia, a sort of entity as Gandalf, for example, and he was good at the beginning, but then he was corrupted by Morgoth and the "darkness" consumed him so much that he lost his human form and became some type of monster. Sauron made the One ring and filled it with all of his powers in order to make it more powerful than the other rings and control them, that's why he couldn't be separated from the ring anymore. So when he lost it, he didn't die, he just was weakened because he didn't have the source of his great power anymore.
    Yes, he didn't actually die. He just lost his physical form, but he was free to manifest his will or spirit in places where he held dominion, such as Mordor or Dol Guldur.
     
         

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    Re: Why did simply losing the ring kill Sauron?

    "Then Gil-galad and Elendil passed into Mordor and encompassed the stronghold of Sauron; and they laid siege to it for seven years, and suffered grievous loss by fire and by the darts and bolts of the Enemy, and Sauron sent many sorties against them. There in the valley of Gorgoroth Anárion son of Elendil was slain, and many others. But at the last the siege was so strait that Sauron himself came forth; and he wrestled with Gil-galad and Elendil, and they both were slain, and the sword of Elendil broke under him as he fell. But Sauron also was thrown down, and with the hilt-shard of Narsil Isildur cut the Ruling Ring from the hand of Sauron and took it for his own. Then Sauron was for that time vanquished, and he forsook his body, and his spirit fled far away and hid in waste places; and he took no visible shape again for many long years."

    "The Ruling Ring passed out of the knowledge even of the Wise in that age; yet it was not unmade. For Isildur would not surrender it to Elrond and Círdan who stood by. They counselled him to cast it into the fire of Orodruin nigh at hand, in which it had been forged, so that it should perish, and the power of Sauron be for ever diminished, and he should remain only as a shadow of malice in the wilderness. But Isildur refused this counsel, saying: This I will have as were-gild for my father's death, and my brothers. Was it not I that dealt the Enemy his death-blow?''
     
         

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    Re: Why did simply losing the ring kill Sauron?

    Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
    Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
    Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
    One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
    One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
    One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie."

    Sauron had to add an extraordinary amount of his own power in to the One Ring to control rest of the nineteen. He ended up putting so much of his powers in to it that he couldn't exist without it and his fate became bound to that of the Ring.

    For more detail: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Rings_of_Power
     
         

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    Re: Why did simply losing the ring kill Sauron?

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    Re: Why did simply losing the ring kill Sauron?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floydical View Post
    I just watched the Fellowship again, and realized that all it took to kill Sauron was to cut off his ring finger. Loosing the ring destabilized him and he died.

    But Sauron created the ring..... therefore he obviously existed before wearing it. This means losing the ring should not have been enough to kill him.

    Did he sink his power into it so deeply and did he bind himself to it so greatly that it simply being separated from his body was enough to kill him? Even that seems like a stretch, as I feel like the ring would have needed to be destroyed for him to implode like he did.

    Thoughts on the matter? Why was simply separating Sauron from the ring enough to kill him? As a note, I read the books but do not recall how he was killed in the book. Perhaps he was actually slain in battle normally, but the movie made him out to be impenetrable.

    how about you read the bloody post?

     
         

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    Re: Why did simply losing the ring kill Sauron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yasmin Ma View Post
    Actually Sauron didn't die when he lost his finger for what I remember from the books. He was just weakened.

    In "The Silmarillion" Tolkien tells Middle-Earth story before LOTR. Sauron wasn't a human, he was a maia, a sort of entity as Gandalf, for example, and he was good at the beginning, but then he was corrupted by Morgoth and the "darkness" consumed him so much that he lost his human form and became some type of monster. Sauron made the One ring and filled it with all of his powers in order to make it more powerful than the other rings and control them, that's why he couldn't be separated from the ring anymore. So when he lost it, he didn't die, he just was weakened because he didn't have the source of his great power anymore.
    He wasn't just weakened, he died. His body was destroyed as a result of him losing the ring. If your body is destroyed, you die. The difference is in Tolkein's world, Sauron's spirit was able to live on in the mortal world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Algalon View Post
    "Then Gil-galad and Elendil passed into Mordor and encompassed the stronghold of Sauron; and they laid siege to it for seven years, and suffered grievous loss by fire and by the darts and bolts of the Enemy, and Sauron sent many sorties against them. There in the valley of Gorgoroth Anárion son of Elendil was slain, and many others. But at the last the siege was so strait that Sauron himself came forth; and he wrestled with Gil-galad and Elendil, and they both were slain, and the sword of Elendil broke under him as he fell. But Sauron also was thrown down, and with the hilt-shard of Narsil Isildur cut the Ruling Ring from the hand of Sauron and took it for his own. Then Sauron was for that time vanquished, and he forsook his body, and his spirit fled far away and hid in waste places; and he took no visible shape again for many long years."

    "The Ruling Ring passed out of the knowledge even of the Wise in that age; yet it was not unmade. For Isildur would not surrender it to Elrond and Círdan who stood by. They counselled him to cast it into the fire of Orodruin nigh at hand, in which it had been forged, so that it should perish, and the power of Sauron be for ever diminished, and he should remain only as a shadow of malice in the wilderness. But Isildur refused this counsel, saying: This I will have as were-gild for my father's death, and my brothers. Was it not I that dealt the Enemy his death-blow?''
    So this is the book's description of the opening movie scenes? It says he was 'vanquished' and 'forsook his body'. This essentially means he died and his spirit was forced to separate from him. The movie was spot on. So his spirit survived and lingered, but he definitely physically died.
     
         

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