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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    The base of this plan is a lie. Everything they'll be experiencing it's a total lie, so yeah, in a way, it's kinda lame.
    From Obito's perspective you'd think, aww so sweet and stuff.
    But from Madara's perspective, well, he's just a selfish character that wants to rule by force because no one in real world would accept his "kingdom". His own Uchihas weren't agreeing with him, what would you expect from the others?
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    the Uchiha's are sensitive.
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    LOL at the people saying Madara could be a good guy... He wants to basically enslave everyone and use them as his puppets in his fake little world. How could that possibly be construed as good?
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    I wish Road to Ninja would leak already so we could see what the dream world would really be like. the folks over in japan must have a way better perspective of infinite tsukuyomi for getting a taste of it. And dont give me that "Its not manga, its not cannon" B.S. kishi wrote and supervised the movie. I know it looks like fanfair but trust me, I think it will answer a lot about the whole dreamworld thing
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    He's robbing you of your free will and you're fine with that ? Sorry but I like to think that my life and my future should be mine alone to determine. Madara is not a good guy. Hashirama won the hokage job, won again the valley of death. Why did madara attack? His ego was stomped on. If he hates the fighting, try to make the world a better place like good people do. Good people do not deceive others
    Senju deceive uchiha.
    Senju aren't good people either
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Great Sage of Uchiha View Post
    Senju deceive uchiha.
    Senju aren't good people either
    How did they deceived them?
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    Madara lost everyone and everything he had. Question is, to him, what's more of a lie? The world he creates or the one he lives in where he has nothing but his arch enemy's DNA, clones of him and a cave?
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Great Sage of Uchiha View Post
    Senju deceive uchiha.
    Senju aren't good people either
    This isn't a senju=good guy/uchiha=bad guy thread. It's more like a ''madara is a loser who could not accept reality so he wants to bind everyone to his will in a fake world, how lame'' thread. Madara's ego seems pretty big, as we've seen in his fight against the kages. All he wants is his very own kingdom. I hope there is more to his plan than just infinite tsukuyomi.
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    These villains are so boring, like nothing about their plan equals pure evil, but rather over emotional whinny boys. They both are crying over spilled milk and instead of getting over it rather make everyone else live a lie. They should have just went on a killing rage or something more reasonable.
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    Quote Originally Posted by shri3kbat View Post
    Question is, to him, what's more of a lie?
    I understand your point but Madara would know that he's failed miserably. No matter how perfect his new world seems, he would know it's all a big lie. He may deceive everyone and create his utopia but at the end of the day that's all it is : an illusion. Love, friendship, adventures, life, those words would lose their meaning along with loser and winner. And Obito/Madara would be the only ones aware of that, lonely amidst a crowd
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
    -These villains are so boring, like nothing about their plan equals pure evil, but rather over emotional whinny boys.
    -They should have just went on a killing rage or something more reasonable.
    I agree. Find yourselves a real evil masterplan, pseudo-villains... They have to man up and quit the whining, just give in to the dark side of the force
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    To a lot of people a sweet dream is much better than a harsh reality. Who cares if it's a lie if all you sensations tell you its real?

    On a side note, why are people acting like this is the first time they heard about this plan. What did you think a genjustu on the entire world was going to be
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    Funny...Everyone seemed to think the eye of the moon plane was awesome before Tobi was confirmed as Obito.
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    Quote Originally Posted by aimop95 View Post
    Funny...Everyone seemed to think the eye of the moon plane was awesome before Tobi was confirmed as Obito.
    Never liked that plan, never will. Look at my one line sig. Obito and his selfish, petty motivation is just a bonus.
    - to answer another NBer question : im kinda new here, i would have made this thread long ago if not.
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    well by all means, plz explain to me a cool evil masterplan, so I can know the difference between the two
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    I think the infinite tsukuyomi plan is simply nonsensical. Why?
    Even the real world is mostly percepted by humans through causality (the principle of cause and effect).

    Example:
    Someone holds a stone in his hand. Then he opens his hand and the stone falls.
    Cause: Letting go of the stone, Effect: The stone falls (gravity)

    If the principle of causality is true, there is no free will, every event of the past is linked until the present.
    Therefore, if you believe in free will, you can't believe in the principle of causality.
    ( A dilemma )
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
    These villains are so boring, like nothing about their plan equals pure evil, but rather over emotional whinny boys. They both are crying over spilled milk and instead of getting over it rather make everyone else live a lie. They should have just went on a killing rage or something more reasonable.
    That's because kishi is trying to be realistic there is no such thing as a pure villain they all have a backstory and why they became evil
    If you are into the cliche pure evil villain go back and watch dragonball z evil kid buu would suit your tastes
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    Thats what happens when EMOs try to play villian xD
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    The infinite tsukuyomi is more or less Madaras "Matrix". As for his motives:



    The Elder Son believed that power was the key to peace. I trust Madara when he says that he wants to achieve "peace" with the infinite tsukuyomi, even though it's only happening "in their heads". Everyone would still have their wills, but they would be limited to a certain extent. Like in "Matrix", the difference between illusion and reality becomes very thin.

    Anyway, for all those who want to have "pure" villains, you still have Orochimaru. I personally prefer "villains" like Madara and Nagato.
     
         

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    Re: Infinite Tsukuyomi : lamest evil masterplan ever

    That's right, for an evil plan it's lame... But who said Madara's evil? He wants a happy world without pain... Only people with very simplistic "black and white" kind of thinking would fail to see that...
     
         

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