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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    I like the idea of "first man to activate his jutsu wins" but arent they working together or something. Last time I checked all that happened between the two of them was that obito gave madara a status update and then decided who's going to beat the snot out of who lol. But with this idea theres some incentive for obito to turn on madara without him saying "you know naruto you're right, I should stop being a bad guy"
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Nice but there is something off, in page 11 of chapter 606, madara says nagato is from the senju lineage.
    But tobi said he is an uzumaki.
    Is nagato a senju or uzumaki? I'm confused
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Quote Originally Posted by kellzfresh View Post
    Nice but there is something off, in page 11 of chapter 606, madara says nagato is from the senju lineage.
    But tobi said he is an uzumaki.
    Is nagato a senju or uzumaki? I'm confused
    Cant he be both? born to the uzumaki clan with distant senju ancestors?
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Quote Originally Posted by peteriscoo View Post
    Cant he be both? born to the uzumaki clan with distant senju ancestors?
    But his parents were killed like fowls by fodders
    If the uzumaki was killed I can understand, but the senju too? :confused:

    Well maybe kishi could still be talking about the uzumaki as relatives of the senju
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Itachi had already stated that when Madara got his brother's eyes, it did two things. One, it restored his eyes' light permanently. Two, it uncovered a completely "new" doujutsu, and we all know what that doujutsu is. Sasuke takes too much pride in being an Uchiha to take in Senju DNA, he's not going to take Senju DNA, and he might not need to. Where does it state that to have the sage's eyes you need senju DNA? The Uchiha already inherited the sage's eyes, so I see no reason why you actually need senju DNA unless Kishi shows otherwise.
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Quote Originally Posted by Makoto View Post
    Itachi had already stated that when Madara got his brother's eyes, it did two things. One, it restored his eyes' light permanently. Two, it uncovered a completely "new" doujutsu, and we all know what that doujutsu is. Sasuke takes too much pride in being an Uchiha to take in Senju DNA, he's not going to take Senju DNA, and he might not need to. Where does it state that to have the sage's eyes you need senju DNA? The Uchiha already inherited the sage's eyes, so I see no reason why you actually need senju DNA unless Kishi shows otherwise.
    Madara states it -

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    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/606/14
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Lets Compare:

    Young Madara has:

    EMS jutsu + Uchiha Kinjutsu + Rikudo Jutsu + None Functional Senju DNA

    Old Madara has:

    EMS jutsu + Uchiha Kinjutsu + Rikudo Jutsu + None Functional Senju DNA + Rinnegan

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    Edo Madara has:

    EMS jutsu + Uchiha Kinjutsu + Rikudo Jutsu + Functional Senju DNA + Rinnegan
    Like i said, his body was modified by kabuto which is why he has the rinnegan.
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nigete View Post
    Like i said, his body was modified by kabuto which is why he has the rinnegan.
    what? No. Did you not read chapter 606? He activated the rinnegan shortly before his expected Death.
    Kabuto's upgrade couldn't possibly be the Rinnegan Madara now has the Rinnegan. If so how did he give it Nagato when it was never unlocked?
    Quote Originally Posted by kellzfresh View Post
    Nice but there is something off, in page 11 of chapter 606, madara says nagato is from the senju lineage.
    But tobi said he is an uzumaki.
    Is nagato a senju or uzumaki? I'm confused
    He's Uzumaki. But Uzumaki are Cousins to the Senju..so he's technically both.
    Quote Originally Posted by peteriscoo View Post
    I like the idea of "first man to activate his jutsu wins" but arent they working together or something. Last time I checked all that happened between the two of them was that obito gave madara a status update and then decided who's going to beat the snot out of who lol. But with this idea theres some incentive for obito to turn on madara without him saying "you know naruto you're right, I should stop being a bad guy"
    I also have a Feeling that naruto would use Talk-no-jutsu on Obito.
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    what? No. Did you not read chapter 606? He activated the rinnegan shortly before his expected Death.
    Kabuto's upgrade couldn't possibly be the Rinnegan Madara now has the Rinnegan. If so how did he give it Nagato when it was never unlocked?
    I don't think you understood me. From what I read, It almost looked like you were asking how this Young Madara has the rinnegan when Madara awakened it shortly before his death.
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nigete View Post
    I don't think you understood me. From what I read, It almost looked like you were asking how this Young Madara has the rinnegan when Madara awakened it shortly before his death.
    No, My question was about training. We saw that Nagato had to train to use the Rinnegan...Madara Hasn't shown to have any training and can use it even better than Nagato.
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    nice. A little confused but it was a good theory.
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    confused me a lot more after i read this
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Quote Originally Posted by rockerstud View Post
    confused me a lot more after i read this
    lol everyone's saying so.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    That contradicts with the fact that he implanted the Senju DNA and nothing happened. It's the "Near Death Experience" That triggered it off. It may be a combination of both though.
    I'm still not convinced that Senju DNA is not a requirement, and I don't see any contraction. Every (male) Uchiha is born with the necessary equipment for MS, but that's not enough. It's their experiences that ultimately yield MS. By the same token, you could say Madara with Senju DNA possessed the equipment necessary for Rinnegan, but a trigger (death) was needed to activate it. To me, this makes the most sense since Sharingan evolution is event-driven, so why shouldn't the next step (Rinnegan) be the same? On the other hand, we're working with a sample size of 1, so it's impossible to say for sure. We'll never know until either Kishi says so directly (when has he ever said anything outright?) or someone kills/nearly kills Sasuke, assuming he doesn't get his hands on senju DNA.
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    I bet Naruto and Sasuke will end up getting the rinnegan now that we know how it's obtained.
    With that in mind, technically, for a while, didn't Nagato have Sharingan? If Madara gave him his eyes, I would assume it was before he died and got the rinnegan. So I think Nagato was walking around with a sharingan but of course didn't know it. And I'm sure that the moment sharingon eyes touches the eye sockets of a senju/uzumaki, they just susddenly turn into a rinnegan. He obviously awakened the rinnegan when his parents died.
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Who is the masked man Minato fights in http://dailyanimeart.files.wordpress...engan-tobi.jpg
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Still not possible. You are Ressurected just as how you were before you die. Old Madara's body tissue couldn't have Young Madara's body tissue.

    I think he was reffering to the Senju DNA Compatibility issue.

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    I made and edit to the OP explaining how Sasuke will get Senju DNA

    It already been stated from kabuto's mouth that edo madara was an enhanced version of himself, due to him being old when he died, the obvious enhancement is him being young again....like I don't know what else to tell you...

    (p.s. I like everything else you said in your original post tho, so i'm giving you rep)
     
         
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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nigete View Post
    Like i said, his body was modified by kabuto which is why he has the rinnegan.
    um he already had the rinnegan before he died... like he gave nagato his eyes when nagato was still young lol did you forget that?
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    I kinda agree on everything else but the Sasuke getting Rinnegan part is just you making excuses 'cause you want him to get rinnegan.

    But this is the fact right now:

     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Quote Originally Posted by madnumber24 View Post
    um he already had the rinnegan before he died... like he gave nagato his eyes when nagato was still young lol did you forget that?
    Refer back to post #34.
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    edo madara is beyond his prime ..OMG whats so hard to understand about that?

    to ask the question when has he at his prime is ridiculous when are you at your prime when you're 80 and have a hip problem or when you're 30 and beating everyone at the bar?? not that hard of a question guys.
     
         

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    Re: READ! 606 Answerd it all!

    Quote Originally Posted by edo tensai wilmaso View Post
    edo madara is beyond his prime ..OMG whats so hard to understand about that?

    to ask the question when has he at his prime is ridiculous when are you at your prime when you're 80 and have a hip problem or when you're 30 and beating everyone at the bar?? not that hard of a question guys.
    The Rinnegan Makes a big difference. Think about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawker View Post
    I kinda agree on everything else but the Sasuke getting Rinnegan part is just you making excuses 'cause you want him to get rinnegan.

    But this is the fact right now:

    Actually i wouldn't want sasuke to get the Rinnegan...i was just stating the fact that it's now possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by madnumber24 View Post
    It already been stated from kabuto's mouth that edo madara was an enhanced version of himself, due to him being old when he died, the obvious enhancement is him being young again....like I don't know what else to tell you...

    (p.s. I like everything else you said in your original post tho, so i'm giving you rep)
    Quote Originally Posted by Codex View Post
    I'm still not convinced that Senju DNA is not a requirement, and I don't see any contraction. Every (male) Uchiha is born with the necessary equipment for MS, but that's not enough. It's their experiences that ultimately yield MS. By the same token, you could say Madara with Senju DNA possessed the equipment necessary for Rinnegan, but a trigger (death) was needed to activate it. To me, this makes the most sense since Sharingan evolution is event-driven, so why shouldn't the next step (Rinnegan) be the same? On the other hand, we're working with a sample size of 1, so it's impossible to say for sure. We'll never know until either Kishi says so directly (when has he ever said anything outright?) or someone kills/nearly kills Sasuke, assuming he doesn't get his hands on senju DNA.
    Agreed, i did say that it could be and is most likely a combination of both.
     
         

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