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    Edo Plot Hole?

    So we know that Madara got out of the Kabuto's control by knowing the correct hand seals, but if that were the case, why couldn't Tobirama (THE CREATOR OF THE JUTSU) or Hashirama (Assuming Tobirama would share with him the jutsu) get out of Oro's control when they fought the 3rd Hokage? Can somebody explain this to me?
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    *Waits for slowpoke*
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    Because madara had his full consciousness while tobirama's will was erased moments after being summoned.
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    I think this thread was made before, but i don't remember the answer.
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    It's because Tobirama and Hashirama had 0 control over their bodies at the time, Oro controlled them completely. When Itachi made kabuto release it all the edos had control for a moment (that's how Dan did his jutsu) and Madara used his moment to break free
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    Because madara had his full consciousness while tobirama's will was erased moments after being summoned.
    ^ this
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    Long story short; Kabuto is a dumb ass. Orochimaru, though he is a pedo, is not a dumb ass. End thread.
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    Yeah but Nidaime and Shodaime had their will/consciousness long enough to casually have a conversation with Sandaime.

    The best explanation is simply that the author hadn't thought/implemented this plot device yet. Just like he didn't think he was going to make Hashirama the god that he is now, and just like he didn't know he was going to grant Tobirama space/time ninjutsu (see Minato's fight with Tobi).
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    not again man.....
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    Oh yea, now I recall I do remember that. I also remember the 1st and 2nd talking to him, I just kind of thought they could control their bodies. Thanks for reminding me peeps.
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    orochimaru bound the first and 2nd hokage with his edo techiuqe where they were mindless zombies thus tobirama could not controll himself what so ever
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    ThE hokages did have time kishi just
    Made another mistake like with obito no way obito is on the four level
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    Because madara had his full consciousness while tobirama's will was erased moments after being summoned.
    This! Kabuto allowed madara to be "himself", Oru said "**** that, you will be my B!tch" basically by taking away there will to do anything.

    Kabuto can do the same thing but wanted to see what Madara was capable of.
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    Quote Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post
    Long story short; Kabuto is a dumb ass. Orochimaru, though he is a pedo, is not a dumb ass. End thread.
    Best answer
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    As others have stated, tobirama/hashirama didn't have a very long period of lucidity before their consciousness was erased by Oro. Kabuto, knowing Madara would fight to his best potential if his will was left in tact, took his chances and released him onto the battlefield. It's also possible Madara, via his white zetsu, became aware of the improvements Oro made to the jutsu in the years after tobirama/hashirama had died and took advantage of these in his revived state. (In previous conversations between reincarnated shinobi, they seem to have awareness of everything throughout their lives and right up to their deaths.)
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    Quote Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post
    Long story short; Kabuto is a dumb ass. Orochimaru, though he is a pedo, is not a dumb ass. End thread.
    This guy speaks the Truth :D
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    I don't think Tobirama would've released himself and Hashirama anyway because Hashirama says that they must fight Hiruzen due to being summoned. I don't think they planned to escape even if they could, I speculate that could be because they had faith Hiruzen would be able to win against them since he knows their fighting styles, jutsus, etc.
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    its because the jutsu was released and once it was released thts when madara did the seals to keep his soul tied to this world

    orochimaru never released the jutsu in the hiruzen fight
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    They wouldn't have release themselves anyway. >_>


    They've accepted death, Madara is the only *** who refuse to die.
     
         

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    Re: Edo Plot Hole?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saturnine View Post
    So we know that Madara got out of the Kabuto's control by knowing the correct hand seals, but if that were the case, why couldn't Tobirama (THE CREATOR OF THE JUTSU) or Hashirama (Assuming Tobirama would share with him the jutsu) get out of Oro's control when they fought the 3rd Hokage? Can somebody explain this to me?
    Maybe Tobirama never uncovered the one weakness in his own technique.
     
         

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