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    Sage Monkeys in the Naruto Manga !?

    Hello, guys ! I need you criticism or a good answer on this theory cuz i am having doubts of what to think !

    My theory its about The Sage Monkeys ! ( I know i am also :confused: )

    This page shows the Four-tails telling something that shocked me !

    The chapter name is also The Four-Tails: The Sage King of the Apes http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/568/10

    The script of Naruto 568 is this !

    "I am the Handsome Monkey King of the Water Screen Cave; the King of the Sage Monkeys, bestowed with the Dharma name of Son by the Sage of the Six Paths. I am Son Gokū, the Great Sage Equalling Heaven hoohoohooooo!!" (「オレは水簾洞の美猿王 六道仙人 り孫の法号を与えられし仙猿の王。 孫悟空斉天大聖だウキキィーーー!!」 , "Ore wa Suirendō no Bien'ō, Rikudō Sennin yori Son no hōgō o ataerareshi Sen'en no Ō. Son Gokū Seiten Taisei da ukikī~~~!!"

    In the Databook the Four-tails name its translated like this !

    孫悟空, Son Gokū)
    Four-Tails (四尾, Yonbi)
    King of the Sage Monkeys (仙猿の王, Sen'en no Ō)
    Handsome Monkey King (美猿王, Bien'ō)
    Great Sage Equalling Heaven (斉天大聖, Seiten Taisei)

    So its possible that we have Sage Monkeys in the Naruto Manga !?
     
         

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    Possible or the sage tittle could be to just assert his dominance over the other apes as he is a tailed beast but your guess is just as good as mine i prefer to think of the third sage mode belonging to crows i have a theory on that as well.
     
         

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    Re: Sage Monkeys in the Naruto Manga !?

    who knows but I doubt it. But according to the japanese mythology there's a place where all those 'summons' come from including the sage frogs
     
         

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    The traits of crows / ravens
    The Myth of Yatagarasu
    The Relevance of the Tripedal Crow in Asia
    How these link to the Shikkotsurin or Humid Bone Forest
    Telltale clues in the Manga
    Discussing the possibility of a Crow Mode



    A. The traits of crows / ravens
    1. Crows have a personality.
    They are generally very peaceful birds and very intelligent. However, they also tend to be aggressive, playful and mocking. A crow is rarely forgotten once it sounds because of its harsh, powerful yet sweet tone.
    2. Their Habitat.
    Crows have originated in the tropical areas of the Old World, particularly Rainforests which have high humidity. Even today they still live primarily in forests where they eat basically anything.
    3. Humidity and food.
    Crows are scavengers and thus will eat anything. They are known for eating roadkill, rotten corpses, rotten food and they clean their food in water and humidity. They only eat flesh and leave the bones intact.

    B. The Myth of Yatagarasu
    1. Explanation of the term 'Yatagarasu'
    Yatagarasu (kanji: 八咫烏) literally means "eight-span crow" or "eight-headed" crow. He is the guardian god of the sun and is generally depicted with three legs. Yatagarasu has various other appearances in other Asian countries, primarily in the "big three": China, Japan and Korea.
    2. Japan.
    Yatagarasu's role was small in the beginning, even though he was a deity. There are basically two steps of his legend:
    - One is being a messenger / spy for the other Kami; Yatagarasu's appearance was regarded as an omen for either something really good or bad.
    His permanent appearance was through the Koto Amatsukami, namely Takagi no Kami and Amaterasu who sent Yatagarasu as a savior to end Emperor Jimmu's war.
    - The second step of his legend is that of a hero and savior. There are two myths known in the Kojiki and Nihon Shoki:
    In the first one it's Amaterasu who is threatened by a terrible monster with great authority. The people were crying for a savior to come and slay the beast. And so, Yatagarasu came and slew the beast. Amaterasu's life was saved by her guardian, the crow Yatagarasu.
    The second one involves a war again. Kamo Taketsunimi no Mikoto, the founder of the Kamo-Agatanushi clan, saved the people by turning into a great crow and thus ending the war. The Kamo Ataganushi, which still exist today in Japan, were called the descendants of that kami.
    Yatagarasu is still worshipped today in many Japanese shrines.
    3. Korea
    In Korea, that crow is called Samjoko and is Korea's symbol of tremendous power, superior to both the dragon and the phoenix. In the Goguryeo period, the Korean kings used that crow as a symbol of power.
    4. China.
    The crow has three names in China: Sanzuwu (three-legged bird), Yangwu/Jinwu (golden crow). It's the guardian of the sun and symbolizes light.

    C. The relevance of the Tripedal Crow in Asia
    1. Japan
    As a Kami, Yatagarasu holds a tremendous importance in the Japanese Shinto culture.
    - Yatagarasu is the Emblem of both the Japanese Emperor and the National Football Team. Winners of the Emperor's Cup wear the Yatagarasu emblem.
    - In Japan, Yatagarasu is considered a creed of courage and benevolence, seeing as Yatagarasu saved the Japanese people numerous times.
    2. Korea
    In Korea, the Samjoko is still considered a national emblem due to it's prestigeous power status. It symbolizes superiority, intelligence and millitary might.
    3. China
    The Sanzuwu was THE Emblem of the Chinese empire. It was everywhere: In the palace, on imperial garnments and there were even Twelve Medallions in the Imperial Palace; Sanzuwu is one of them.
    When the Chinese empire met with the Japanese, Chinese ambassadors brought the Japanese a dead crow with three legs. It's also held that the Chinese used the Sanzuwu as a totem, similar to the Romans' SPQR.

    So all in all, the Tripedal Crow is a symbol of power.

    D. How all this links to Shikkotsurin = Crow's land
    Shikkotsurin literally means 'Humid Bone Forest'. Let's break that term apart and apply what we have learned about crows so far:
    Humid
    The origin of crows is the Rainforest with high humidity. Crows wash their prey in water before eating it.
    Bone
    Crows are scavengers, eating corpses and decay. Of all flesh they eat, they leave bones behind.
    Forest
    The origin of crows is the forest. Even today, most crows and corvids live in forests and prey on insects and flesh.

    E. Telltale clues in the Manga
    Itachi.
    - Itachi heavily links with crows, death and decay. Wherever he goes, death follows.
    - He was a messenger/spy for Konoha; his primary reason for joining Akatsuki.
    - In the databook, Itachi is regarded as a true hero for his sacrifice.
    - Itachi was - and still is - an emblem of power and intelligence, similar to all the crows in the myth.
    - He was guiding Naruto and now is guiding Sasuke in a way.
    - Itachi was freed through a Jutsu called Koto Amatsukami. The same Koto Amatsukami in the myth that marked Yatagarasu's hero stage, ending many wars.
    Sasuke
    - Sasuke is not depicted as a hawk at all. Kishimoto depicts him as a Karasu Tengu, a crow demon.
    - He used the vision of Karasu Bunshin in the Danzo fight.
    - It is said that Sasuke will adapt Itachi's things once he is saved, inculding all his crow traits.
    - The hawk seems to hold no general importance anymore, but the crow always had massive importance through Sasuke as well.
    Susanoo
    - Susanoo's current theme seems to be bones only, no flesh at all. In fact, it is Susanoo's true form before mastering the next stages.

    F. Discussing the possibility of a Crow Mode
    - The crow has massive mythological importance; it's perhaps the most important Kami after Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo.
    - Three mythological places are said to exist in the Kojiki. In the Naruto manga they are the following:
    -> Myobokuzan, the Toad Mountain - Naruto's SM
    -> Ryuchido, the Dragon's Nest - Kabuto's SM
    -> Shikkokutsurin, the forest that is (possibly) the den of the crows - Possible Tengu/Crow mode
    - The Crow mode / Tengu mode might be the counterpart to the Sage Mode which is equally powerful. It is theorised that SM belongs to the Younger Son of Rikudou; Likewise, Crow mode belongs to the Elder Son.
    - Tengu, particularly Karasu Tengu, in Japanese mythology are teachers of Ninjutsu, the human arts. Rikudou Sennin is regarded as the founder of Ninjutsu, marking the advent of Shinobi.
    Since RS had two sons with two different natures, the means of gaining SM and the crow mode could be different:
    -> SM relies on natural energy and a calm balance. You must have a suitable body.
    -> Crow mode could rely on the purity of extreme emotions, mainly rage, righteousness and the desire to protect. the Elder Son inherited the eyes, so the key of gaining Crow mode could be through the eyes.
    The Will of Koto Amatsukami made Kamo Taketsunimi no Mikoto a savior through turning to Yatagarasu. He was regarded a savior to this very day.
    Itachi wanted Sasuke to be a savior and a hero known to all.
    - Both Itachi and Sasuke are depicted as crows; the former more than the latter. Sasuke is the image of Karasu Tengu while Itachi is the image of Yatagarasu.
    - Crows mark the dragon's defeat. Taketsunimi's Yatagarasu turning marked his victory. Itachi could unlock that crow mode through extreme distress done by Kabuto to Sasuke, thus slaying the dragon brutally as vengeance.
    Sasuke could unlock it when his hatred against Konoha peaks ultimately.

    Not my thread although some interesting facts and thorough speculation has caught my eye and made feel like i just had to share here on naruto base.
     
         

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    Re: Sage Monkeys in the Naruto Manga !?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    Possible or the sage tittle could be to just assert his dominance over the other apes as he is a tailed beast but your guess is just as good as mine i prefer to think of the third sage mode belonging to crows i have a theory on that as well.
    What sage crows where did you get that ?

    Quote Originally Posted by YowYan View Post
    who knows but I doubt it. But according to the japanese mythology there's a place where all those 'summons' come from including the sage frogs
    Could you show me a link i would love to read that !
     
         

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    Interesting
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    The traits of crows / ravens
    The Myth of Yatagarasu
    The Relevance of the Tripedal Crow in Asia
    How these link to the Shikkotsurin or Humid Bone Forest
    Telltale clues in the Manga
    Discussing the possibility of a Crow Mode



    A. The traits of crows / ravens
    1. Crows have a personality.
    They are generally very peaceful birds and very intelligent. However, they also tend to be aggressive, playful and mocking. A crow is rarely forgotten once it sounds because of its harsh, powerful yet sweet tone.
    2. Their Habitat.
    Crows have originated in the tropical areas of the Old World, particularly Rainforests which have high humidity. Even today they still live primarily in forests where they eat basically anything.
    3. Humidity and food.
    Crows are scavengers and thus will eat anything. They are known for eating roadkill, rotten corpses, rotten food and they clean their food in water and humidity. They only eat flesh and leave the bones intact.

    B. The Myth of Yatagarasu
    1. Explanation of the term 'Yatagarasu'
    Yatagarasu (kanji: 八咫烏) literally means "eight-span crow" or "eight-headed" crow. He is the guardian god of the sun and is generally depicted with three legs. Yatagarasu has various other appearances in other Asian countries, primarily in the "big three": China, Japan and Korea.
    2. Japan.
    Yatagarasu's role was small in the beginning, even though he was a deity. There are basically two steps of his legend:
    - One is being a messenger / spy for the other Kami; Yatagarasu's appearance was regarded as an omen for either something really good or bad.
    His permanent appearance was through the Koto Amatsukami, namely Takagi no Kami and Amaterasu who sent Yatagarasu as a savior to end Emperor Jimmu's war.
    - The second step of his legend is that of a hero and savior. There are two myths known in the Kojiki and Nihon Shoki:
    In the first one it's Amaterasu who is threatened by a terrible monster with great authority. The people were crying for a savior to come and slay the beast. And so, Yatagarasu came and slew the beast. Amaterasu's life was saved by her guardian, the crow Yatagarasu.
    The second one involves a war again. Kamo Taketsunimi no Mikoto, the founder of the Kamo-Agatanushi clan, saved the people by turning into a great crow and thus ending the war. The Kamo Ataganushi, which still exist today in Japan, were called the descendants of that kami.
    Yatagarasu is still worshipped today in many Japanese shrines.
    3. Korea
    In Korea, that crow is called Samjoko and is Korea's symbol of tremendous power, superior to both the dragon and the phoenix. In the Goguryeo period, the Korean kings used that crow as a symbol of power.
    4. China.
    The crow has three names in China: Sanzuwu (three-legged bird), Yangwu/Jinwu (golden crow). It's the guardian of the sun and symbolizes light.

    C. The relevance of the Tripedal Crow in Asia
    1. Japan
    As a Kami, Yatagarasu holds a tremendous importance in the Japanese Shinto culture.
    - Yatagarasu is the Emblem of both the Japanese Emperor and the National Football Team. Winners of the Emperor's Cup wear the Yatagarasu emblem.
    - In Japan, Yatagarasu is considered a creed of courage and benevolence, seeing as Yatagarasu saved the Japanese people numerous times.
    2. Korea
    In Korea, the Samjoko is still considered a national emblem due to it's prestigeous power status. It symbolizes superiority, intelligence and millitary might.
    3. China
    The Sanzuwu was THE Emblem of the Chinese empire. It was everywhere: In the palace, on imperial garnments and there were even Twelve Medallions in the Imperial Palace; Sanzuwu is one of them.
    When the Chinese empire met with the Japanese, Chinese ambassadors brought the Japanese a dead crow with three legs. It's also held that the Chinese used the Sanzuwu as a totem, similar to the Romans' SPQR.

    So all in all, the Tripedal Crow is a symbol of power.

    D. How all this links to Shikkotsurin = Crow's land
    Shikkotsurin literally means 'Humid Bone Forest'. Let's break that term apart and apply what we have learned about crows so far:
    Humid
    The origin of crows is the Rainforest with high humidity. Crows wash their prey in water before eating it.
    Bone
    Crows are scavengers, eating corpses and decay. Of all flesh they eat, they leave bones behind.
    Forest
    The origin of crows is the forest. Even today, most crows and corvids live in forests and prey on insects and flesh.

    E. Telltale clues in the Manga
    Itachi.
    - Itachi heavily links with crows, death and decay. Wherever he goes, death follows.
    - He was a messenger/spy for Konoha; his primary reason for joining Akatsuki.
    - In the databook, Itachi is regarded as a true hero for his sacrifice.
    - Itachi was - and still is - an emblem of power and intelligence, similar to all the crows in the myth.
    - He was guiding Naruto and now is guiding Sasuke in a way.
    - Itachi was freed through a Jutsu called Koto Amatsukami. The same Koto Amatsukami in the myth that marked Yatagarasu's hero stage, ending many wars.
    Sasuke
    - Sasuke is not depicted as a hawk at all. Kishimoto depicts him as a Karasu Tengu, a crow demon.
    - He used the vision of Karasu Bunshin in the Danzo fight.
    - It is said that Sasuke will adapt Itachi's things once he is saved, inculding all his crow traits.
    - The hawk seems to hold no general importance anymore, but the crow always had massive importance through Sasuke as well.
    Susanoo
    - Susanoo's current theme seems to be bones only, no flesh at all. In fact, it is Susanoo's true form before mastering the next stages.

    F. Discussing the possibility of a Crow Mode
    - The crow has massive mythological importance; it's perhaps the most important Kami after Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo.
    - Three mythological places are said to exist in the Kojiki. In the Naruto manga they are the following:
    -> Myobokuzan, the Toad Mountain - Naruto's SM
    -> Ryuchido, the Dragon's Nest - Kabuto's SM
    -> Shikkokutsurin, the forest that is (possibly) the den of the crows - Possible Tengu/Crow mode
    - The Crow mode / Tengu mode might be the counterpart to the Sage Mode which is equally powerful. It is theorised that SM belongs to the Younger Son of Rikudou; Likewise, Crow mode belongs to the Elder Son.
    - Tengu, particularly Karasu Tengu, in Japanese mythology are teachers of Ninjutsu, the human arts. Rikudou Sennin is regarded as the founder of Ninjutsu, marking the advent of Shinobi.
    Since RS had two sons with two different natures, the means of gaining SM and the crow mode could be different:
    -> SM relies on natural energy and a calm balance. You must have a suitable body.
    -> Crow mode could rely on the purity of extreme emotions, mainly rage, righteousness and the desire to protect. the Elder Son inherited the eyes, so the key of gaining Crow mode could be through the eyes.
    The Will of Koto Amatsukami made Kamo Taketsunimi no Mikoto a savior through turning to Yatagarasu. He was regarded a savior to this very day.
    Itachi wanted Sasuke to be a savior and a hero known to all.
    - Both Itachi and Sasuke are depicted as crows; the former more than the latter. Sasuke is the image of Karasu Tengu while Itachi is the image of Yatagarasu.
    - Crows mark the dragon's defeat. Taketsunimi's Yatagarasu turning marked his victory. Itachi could unlock that crow mode through extreme distress done by Kabuto to Sasuke, thus slaying the dragon brutally as vengeance.
    Sasuke could unlock it when his hatred against Konoha peaks ultimately.

    Not my thread although some interesting facts and thorough speculation has caught my eye and made feel like i just had to share here on naruto base.


    No disrespect but Sasuke having Sage Mode :confused: I dont think he needs that or that he has a body to sustain that remember Kabuto used Karin DNA to sustain his sage mode ability !

    Its a nice japanese mythology lecture but i cant see having this in the naruto manga !

    PS: It looks like the one who made that theory just whants Sasuke to have the crow sage mode !
     
         

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    it seems quite possible because the snake sages live in a cave and the place the frogs live (cant be bothered find spelling) so the cave where he is the monkey sage may be possible that there is monkey sages.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuubibomb View Post
    it seems quite possible because the snake sages live in a cave and the place the frogs live (cant be bothered find spelling) so the cave where he is the monkey sage may be possible that there is monkey sages.
    I also tought that.... But the only one that i see getin it is Konohamaru because he learns like Naruto.....

    Konhamaru has rasengan in time he would get to sage mode but maybe he will not train with toads and he will train with Monkey King Enma
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fallen One View Post

    No disrespect but Sasuke having Sage Mode :confused: I dont think he needs that or that he has a body to sustain that remember Kabuto used Karin DNA to sustain his sage mode ability !

    Its a nice japanese mythology lecture but i cant see having this in the naruto manga !

    PS: It looks like the one who made that theory just whants Sasuke to have the crow sage mode !
    Yeah the crow mythology and all that stuff is the reason why Uchiha's/Itachi, Sasuke has crow clones and genjutsu and stuff not because of a sage crow. I think there is a huge chance for a turtle sage mode if it isn't a slug. I don't feel like copying and pasting so take my word for it. I didn't see anything in asian mythologies with slugs but I seen 2 about turtle one seem to be related with the 8 gates and another is sage I believe.
     
         
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    Quote Originally Posted by slaton02 View Post
    Yeah the crow mythology and all that stuff is the reason why Uchiha's/Itachi, Sasuke has crow clones and genjutsu and stuff not because of a sage crow. I think there is a huge chance for a turtle sage mode if it isn't a slug. I don't feel like copying and pasting so take my word for it. I didn't see anything in asian mythologies with slugs but I seen 2 about turtle one seem to be related with the 8 gates and another is sage I believe.
    Could you post the one with turtles related with the sage please .... cuz we have toad sage mode maybe Kishi put toads in the place of the turtles or something !
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    The traits of crows / ravens
    The Myth of Yatagarasu
    The Relevance of the Tripedal Crow in Asia
    How these link to the Shikkotsurin or Humid Bone Forest
    Telltale clues in the Manga
    Discussing the possibility of a Crow Mode



    A. The traits of crows / ravens
    1. Crows have a personality.
    They are generally very peaceful birds and very intelligent. However, they also tend to be aggressive, playful and mocking. A crow is rarely forgotten once it sounds because of its harsh, powerful yet sweet tone.
    2. Their Habitat.
    Crows have originated in the tropical areas of the Old World, particularly Rainforests which have high humidity. Even today they still live primarily in forests where they eat basically anything.
    3. Humidity and food.
    Crows are scavengers and thus will eat anything. They are known for eating roadkill, rotten corpses, rotten food and they clean their food in water and humidity. They only eat flesh and leave the bones intact.

    B. The Myth of Yatagarasu
    1. Explanation of the term 'Yatagarasu'
    Yatagarasu (kanji: 八咫烏) literally means "eight-span crow" or "eight-headed" crow. He is the guardian god of the sun and is generally depicted with three legs. Yatagarasu has various other appearances in other Asian countries, primarily in the "big three": China, Japan and Korea.
    2. Japan.
    Yatagarasu's role was small in the beginning, even though he was a deity. There are basically two steps of his legend:
    - One is being a messenger / spy for the other Kami; Yatagarasu's appearance was regarded as an omen for either something really good or bad.
    His permanent appearance was through the Koto Amatsukami, namely Takagi no Kami and Amaterasu who sent Yatagarasu as a savior to end Emperor Jimmu's war.
    - The second step of his legend is that of a hero and savior. There are two myths known in the Kojiki and Nihon Shoki:
    In the first one it's Amaterasu who is threatened by a terrible monster with great authority. The people were crying for a savior to come and slay the beast. And so, Yatagarasu came and slew the beast. Amaterasu's life was saved by her guardian, the crow Yatagarasu.
    The second one involves a war again. Kamo Taketsunimi no Mikoto, the founder of the Kamo-Agatanushi clan, saved the people by turning into a great crow and thus ending the war. The Kamo Ataganushi, which still exist today in Japan, were called the descendants of that kami.
    Yatagarasu is still worshipped today in many Japanese shrines.
    3. Korea
    In Korea, that crow is called Samjoko and is Korea's symbol of tremendous power, superior to both the dragon and the phoenix. In the Goguryeo period, the Korean kings used that crow as a symbol of power.
    4. China.
    The crow has three names in China: Sanzuwu (three-legged bird), Yangwu/Jinwu (golden crow). It's the guardian of the sun and symbolizes light.

    C. The relevance of the Tripedal Crow in Asia
    1. Japan
    As a Kami, Yatagarasu holds a tremendous importance in the Japanese Shinto culture.
    - Yatagarasu is the Emblem of both the Japanese Emperor and the National Football Team. Winners of the Emperor's Cup wear the Yatagarasu emblem.
    - In Japan, Yatagarasu is considered a creed of courage and benevolence, seeing as Yatagarasu saved the Japanese people numerous times.
    2. Korea
    In Korea, the Samjoko is still considered a national emblem due to it's prestigeous power status. It symbolizes superiority, intelligence and millitary might.
    3. China
    The Sanzuwu was THE Emblem of the Chinese empire. It was everywhere: In the palace, on imperial garnments and there were even Twelve Medallions in the Imperial Palace; Sanzuwu is one of them.
    When the Chinese empire met with the Japanese, Chinese ambassadors brought the Japanese a dead crow with three legs. It's also held that the Chinese used the Sanzuwu as a totem, similar to the Romans' SPQR.

    So all in all, the Tripedal Crow is a symbol of power.

    D. How all this links to Shikkotsurin = Crow's land
    Shikkotsurin literally means 'Humid Bone Forest'. Let's break that term apart and apply what we have learned about crows so far:
    Humid
    The origin of crows is the Rainforest with high humidity. Crows wash their prey in water before eating it.
    Bone
    Crows are scavengers, eating corpses and decay. Of all flesh they eat, they leave bones behind.
    Forest
    The origin of crows is the forest. Even today, most crows and corvids live in forests and prey on insects and flesh.

    E. Telltale clues in the Manga
    Itachi.
    - Itachi heavily links with crows, death and decay. Wherever he goes, death follows.
    - He was a messenger/spy for Konoha; his primary reason for joining Akatsuki.
    - In the databook, Itachi is regarded as a true hero for his sacrifice.
    - Itachi was - and still is - an emblem of power and intelligence, similar to all the crows in the myth.
    - He was guiding Naruto and now is guiding Sasuke in a way.
    - Itachi was freed through a Jutsu called Koto Amatsukami. The same Koto Amatsukami in the myth that marked Yatagarasu's hero stage, ending many wars.
    Sasuke
    - Sasuke is not depicted as a hawk at all. Kishimoto depicts him as a Karasu Tengu, a crow demon.
    - He used the vision of Karasu Bunshin in the Danzo fight.
    - It is said that Sasuke will adapt Itachi's things once he is saved, inculding all his crow traits.
    - The hawk seems to hold no general importance anymore, but the crow always had massive importance through Sasuke as well.
    Susanoo
    - Susanoo's current theme seems to be bones only, no flesh at all. In fact, it is Susanoo's true form before mastering the next stages.

    F. Discussing the possibility of a Crow Mode
    - The crow has massive mythological importance; it's perhaps the most important Kami after Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo.
    - Three mythological places are said to exist in the Kojiki. In the Naruto manga they are the following:
    -> Myobokuzan, the Toad Mountain - Naruto's SM
    -> Ryuchido, the Dragon's Nest - Kabuto's SM
    -> Shikkokutsurin, the forest that is (possibly) the den of the crows - Possible Tengu/Crow mode
    - The Crow mode / Tengu mode might be the counterpart to the Sage Mode which is equally powerful. It is theorised that SM belongs to the Younger Son of Rikudou; Likewise, Crow mode belongs to the Elder Son.
    - Tengu, particularly Karasu Tengu, in Japanese mythology are teachers of Ninjutsu, the human arts. Rikudou Sennin is regarded as the founder of Ninjutsu, marking the advent of Shinobi.
    Since RS had two sons with two different natures, the means of gaining SM and the crow mode could be different:
    -> SM relies on natural energy and a calm balance. You must have a suitable body.
    -> Crow mode could rely on the purity of extreme emotions, mainly rage, righteousness and the desire to protect. the Elder Son inherited the eyes, so the key of gaining Crow mode could be through the eyes.
    The Will of Koto Amatsukami made Kamo Taketsunimi no Mikoto a savior through turning to Yatagarasu. He was regarded a savior to this very day.
    Itachi wanted Sasuke to be a savior and a hero known to all.
    - Both Itachi and Sasuke are depicted as crows; the former more than the latter. Sasuke is the image of Karasu Tengu while Itachi is the image of Yatagarasu.
    - Crows mark the dragon's defeat. Taketsunimi's Yatagarasu turning marked his victory. Itachi could unlock that crow mode through extreme distress done by Kabuto to Sasuke, thus slaying the dragon brutally as vengeance.
    Sasuke could unlock it when his hatred against Konoha peaks ultimately.

    Not my thread although some interesting facts and thorough speculation has caught my eye and made feel like i just had to share here on naruto base.
    I liked this, seems very predictable

    I doubt the apes have any sage mode though, since it wouldn't make since that their king would be a tailed beast... No sense at all he is just like king kong for other apes.
     
         

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    Yes that would explain his immense strenght that allowed him to pick up and toss the hachibi.
     
         

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    Yes that would explain his immense strenght that allowed him to pick up and toss the hachibi.
    wow good proof nice rep for you

    Quote Originally Posted by thegame View Post
    I liked this, seems very predictable

    I doubt the apes have any sage mode though, since it wouldn't make since that their king would be a tailed beast... No sense at all he is just like king kong for other apes.
    They also have another king... Monkey King: Enma (猿猴王・猿魔, Enkōō: Enma)
     
         
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    Could you post the one with turtles related with the sage please .... cuz we have toad sage mode maybe Kishi put toads in the place of the turtles or something !
    In the classic novel, Journey to the West, Xuánwǔ was a king of the north who had two generals serving under him, a "Tortoise General" and a "Snake General." This king had a temple at Wudang Mountains in Hubei, thus there is a "Tortoise Mountain" and a "Snake Mountain" on the opposite sides of a river in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei.

    Taoist legend has it that Xuánwǔ was the prince of a Chinese ruler but was not interested in taking the throne, opting instead to leave his parents at age 16 and study Taoism. According to the legend, he eventually achieved divine status and was worshiped as a deity of the northern sky.

    Other Chinese legends also speak of how the "Tortoise General" and a "Snake General" came to be. During Xuánwǔ's study to achieve enlightenment and god status he was told that in order to fully achieve god status, he must purge all humanly flesh from his body. Since he was born he had been eating the food of the world, humanly food, therefore his stomach and intestines were still human. Legend told of an event that a god came and changed his human stomach and intestines for a godly body so he could fully achieve god status. (It was also said that the stomach and intestines that were tossed out became the "Tortoise Mountain" and "Snake Mountain".) The stomach and intestines taken out by the god who did the surgery on Xuánwǔ were said to have taken on the shape of a tortoise (stomach) and a snake (intestines). As many Chinese legends speak of certain animals becoming demons over time as they gain knowledge, that's what the tortoise and snake became, and terrorized people. As Xuánwǔ, now in his god status, heard of this, he came and slayed the demons from his past. However, he did not kill them, as the snake and tortoise demons showed remorse. He let them train under him and atone for their wrongdoings, and they became the "Tortoise General" and "Snake General", and they assisted Xuánwǔ with his quests.

    I couldn't find the website I read from. It was saying things about the turtle sage have samurai like armor made from the turtle shell of something. This one I am posting is from wikipedia and it's related to the 8 gates techniques. Maybe it can be a sign of Lee learning a turtle type attack or the reason Guy summons a turtle.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by slaton02 View Post
    In the classic novel, Journey to the West, Xuánwǔ was a king of the north who had two generals serving under him, a "Tortoise General" and a "Snake General." This king had a temple at Wudang Mountains in Hubei, thus there is a "Tortoise Mountain" and a "Snake Mountain" on the opposite sides of a river in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei.

    Taoist legend has it that Xuánwǔ was the prince of a Chinese ruler but was not interested in taking the throne, opting instead to leave his parents at age 16 and study Taoism. According to the legend, he eventually achieved divine status and was worshiped as a deity of the northern sky.

    Other Chinese legends also speak of how the "Tortoise General" and a "Snake General" came to be. During Xuánwǔ's study to achieve enlightenment and god status he was told that in order to fully achieve god status, he must purge all humanly flesh from his body. Since he was born he had been eating the food of the world, humanly food, therefore his stomach and intestines were still human. Legend told of an event that a god came and changed his human stomach and intestines for a godly body so he could fully achieve god status. (It was also said that the stomach and intestines that were tossed out became the "Tortoise Mountain" and "Snake Mountain".) The stomach and intestines taken out by the god who did the surgery on Xuánwǔ were said to have taken on the shape of a tortoise (stomach) and a snake (intestines). As many Chinese legends speak of certain animals becoming demons over time as they gain knowledge, that's what the tortoise and snake became, and terrorized people. As Xuánwǔ, now in his god status, heard of this, he came and slayed the demons from his past. However, he did not kill them, as the snake and tortoise demons showed remorse. He let them train under him and atone for their wrongdoings, and they became the "Tortoise General" and "Snake General", and they assisted Xuánwǔ with his quests.

    I couldn't find the website I read from. It was saying things about the turtle sage have samurai like armor made from the turtle shell of something. This one I am posting is from wikipedia and it's related to the 8 gates techniques. Maybe it can be a sign of Lee learning a turtle type attack or the reason Guy summons a turtle.
    That its all the proof i need so kishi did take the snake sage mode and the toad sage mode for him ! It would be cool if we would know the third sage mode that Kabuto said the Shikkotsu Forest place.... and if there is a Monkey Sage mode or not !

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fallen One View Post
    I also tought that.... But the only one that i see getin it is Konohamaru because he learns like Naruto.....

    Konhamaru has rasengan in time he would get to sage mode but maybe he will not train with toads and he will train with Monkey King Enma
    I can see that happening. That would be kinda cool Saru like in Sarutobi even means monkey I think
     
         

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    That its all the proof i need so kishi did take the snake sage mode and the toad sage mode for him ! It would be cool if we would know the third sage mode that Kabuto said the Shikkotsu Forest place.... and if there is a Monkey Sage mode or not !

    Rep for you !
    Thanks, I was thinking there could be a monkey sage mode at one point because what Edma does like turning into that staff and all it would make sense but it would go to Konohamaru, is he ready? Slug sage seem likely because the 3 sannin, but I don't understand why Tsunade hasn't shown it and it's not a mythology creature. So I'm starting to think it could be a turtle more and more. Lee needs a powerup that sets him apart from Guy, sage mode would do it.
     
         
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    Quote Originally Posted by slaton02 View Post
    Thanks, I was thinking there could be a monkey sage mode at one point because what Edma does like turning into that staff and all it would make sense but it would go to Konohamaru, is he ready? Slug sage seem likely because the 3 sannin, but I don't understand why Tsunade has shown it and it's not a mythology creature. So I'm starting to think it could be a turtle more and more. Lee needs a powerup that sets him apart from Guy, sage mode would do it.
    We will see... Also about.. Tsunade... she is in a death situation and even if she survives... against who will she now use slug sage mode ? I dont belive in sulg sage mode....
     
         

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    No disrespect but Sasuke having Sage Mode :confused: I dont think he needs that or that he has a body to sustain that remember Kabuto used Karin DNA to sustain his sage mode ability !

    Its a nice japanese mythology lecture but i cant see having this in the naruto manga !

    PS: It looks like the one who made that theory just whants Sasuke to have the crow sage mode !
    You can agree to to disagree but the third sage mode dwells in the humid bone forest and none of the proposed animals you are all talking about have no such relation to the area nor do they thrive in such locations.I have my opinions and you have yours but this thread pertaining to a sage mode cites more supported evidence in favor of a crow mode then any other animal on this thread esp where it cites the relation of crows to the humid bone forest where we know the third sage mode to be.
     
         
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    You can agree to to disagree but the third sage mode dwells in the humid bone forest and none of the proposed animals you are all talking about have no such relation to the area nor do they thrive in such locations.I have my opinions and you have yours but this thread pertaining to a sage mode holds more evidence for then any other animal on this thread esp where it cites the relation to crows about the humid bone forest.
    Ok then we agree to disagree !

    PS. Many animals can live in Shikkotsu Forest, Shikkotsu Forest = Damp Bone Forest , Fancy Wood Hill even the Monkeys can live in a Fancy Wood Hill
     
         

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    I liked this, seems very predictable

    I doubt the apes have any sage mode though, since it wouldn't make since that their king would be a tailed beast... No sense at all he is just like king kong for other apes.
    Exactly why i said it was just a tittle passed down from the sage and nothing more i am not saying i am right 100 percent but at least my theory i am proposing is supported by actual evidence and mytos of the creature.The animal they are talking about do not live in or thrive in the conditions of a forest described as the humid bone forest while crows do live in and thrive in such locations.
     
         

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    Ok then we agree to disagree !

    PS. Many animals can live in Shikkotsu Forest, Shikkotsu Forest = Damp Bone Forest , Fancy Wood Hill even the Monkeys can live in a Fancy Wood Hill
    Are you going to at least provide any explanation as to why you believe what you do by providing any facts about the creature in question in relation to the area known as damp bone forest ?I brought up the nature of crows and where they thrive and it matches.I even brought up the mythos of the crow and the correlation it has with the series.Can you do the same for whatever animal you believe to be the final sage ? I am not asking for a detailed report covering everything like my thread does,but you could at least provide some evidence or what might be considered signs if you are going to disagree with me and a very detailed thread that puts the sage mode in the crows favor /:
     
         

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    Hmm nice about everything but I don't think it might happen That monkey king had already its usage. He is one of the bijuus so I don't think Kishi might add another "speciality" of his.

    Oh, this format of thread seems soo similar to another person we've had previously..
    He's still around.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    You can agree to to disagree but the third sage mode dwells in the humid bone forest and none of the proposed animals you are all talking about have no such relation to the area nor do they thrive in such locations.I have my opinions and you have yours but this thread pertaining to a sage mode cites more supported evidence in favor of a crow mode then any other animal on this thread esp where it cites the relation of crows to the humid bone forest where we know the third sage mode to be.
    This is false, turles live many places including humid forest and monkey live in forest as well. Have you heard of the Rainforest? I don't think it's crows because all the uchiha tech are related and crows have a relevancy to them. We all are probably wrong and it ends up being a slug. If it turns out to be a crow that would be a huge rip off.
     
         

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