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    Another plothole?



    Why was Konana shocked that Tobi said he encouraged Yahiko to form akatsuki when he approached all three of them to start akatsuki?

     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    LMAO. :rofl:
    Maybe she forgot.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Who knows...but that's not a plot hole maybe she had forgotten it and when he told her she remembered and was shocked because all the memories came flooding back.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

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    LMAO. :rofl:
    Maybe she forgot.
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    Re: Another plothole?

    Once again not a plot hole.He did not make them form akatskui.Akatskui was already formed but the version had different ideals all obito is doing here is to push there group in a new direction.The akatskui they know today which was completely different then the one yahiko describes in that very same chapter.I seriously cannot comprehend the number of people on this base who do not know the definition of plot hole lmao
     
         
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    Re: Another plothole?

    Cuz she thinked that Yahiko woud never fall for his tricks or get influnced by Obito ( who was acting like he was Madara)..
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Well, she's shocked, since they said no to him.

    I'm just gonna repost my thoughts from another post here

    Quote Originally Posted by Maaggel View Post
    I think Nagato will sneak away, and talk to Tobito.
    Then he will say he's not gonna join him, but he will still listen. Tobito will say it's okay, and give him "some advices" - like getting more members and starting an official group. So they can work on Yahikos plan (getting to know peoples pain).

    Then Tobito's gonna stage the whole Hanzo thing, and when Yahiko is killed Nagato will turn to Tobito and ask for his help.


    I also think there's two reasons Nagato is intriqued - Firstly, he wan't to help Yahiko, and sees this as an opotunity. But other than that this is the first time he's met someone who actually knows alot about the Rinnegan, and someone who can perhaps teach him about it.

    He learned the techniques somehow, and somehow he was able to summon the Gedo Mazo. To do that I believe he would be needed to be told how to. Since it was originally left in Tobitos position.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Memory Loss Probably..
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    She is the reason why weed is illegal in many countries
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Well, Yahiko does say that if he's Madara... implying that maybe Yahiko did know Madara, but the old one... and knowing how old he is, that's why he never trusted Obito ...
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    dude...this is kishimoto we're talking about. get used to it -_- but seriously this manga is getting shittier and shittier.
    now im just reading it now because i really want to see the fight between obito and kakashi. and also naruto's fight.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Quote Originally Posted by Highspeed View Post
    Cuz she thinked that Yahiko woud never fall for his tricks or get influnced by Obito ( who was acting like he was Madara)..
    this guy gets it! exactly what i wanted to say
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maaggel View Post
    Well, she's shocked, since they said no to him.

    I'm just gonna repost my thoughts from another post here
    Which would also prove me right that akatskui was already formed its just that obito was trying to push them in a new direction.Yahiko already had his plan set out he describes it in that very chapter but after yahiko dies nagato (just like you said) will turn to obito and send the akatskui in a new direction.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    she was surprised becuase yahiko resused tobis offer and he is telling him that he was the one who encouraged him. maybe tobi used his sharingan on yahiko to make him think that he was the one that came up with the idea to start akatsuki
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kakashii View Post
    dude...this is kishimoto we're talking about. get used to it -_- but seriously this manga is getting shittier and shittier.
    now im just reading it now because i really want to see the fight between obito and kakashi. and also naruto's fight.
    It was inevitable that the plot would get convoluted and there would be potholes after how long the manga has gone on for, Im just waiting for it to end too.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    The OP is dead on Akatsuki took a different path post Yahiko's death. All three already have the trademark. Akatsuki cloaks. I've already opined on why there are so many inconsistencies. Only one conclusion other than gross negligence. The timeline being presented each chapter is similar but not the same. Inconsistencies occur from timeline to timeline (like Kabuto's Izanami) but are similar enough that it seems like a single timeline. Narutoverse is looping.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Quote Originally Posted by HashiramaDescendant View Post
    LMAO. :rofl:
    Maybe she forgot.
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    Once again not a plot hole.He did not make them form akatskui.Akatskui was already formed but the version had different ideals all obito is doing here is to push there group in a new direction.The akatskui they know today which was completely different then the one yahiko describes in that very same chapter.I seriously cannot comprehend the number of people on this base who do not know the definition of plot hole lmao
    lol... for real... he said that he spurred Yahiko to form akatsuki and we see them in their akatsuki uniforms listening to Obito. when Tobi said to Konan that he was the one behind the creation of akatsuki this means there was no akatsuki before Tobi. yet, there you are.
    how immensely stupid would Konan have to be to not connect the dots and realise that the man who approached them THEN would have sth to do with what akatsuki is doing given the fact that he ended up as their boss. she was surprised about what...?
    plot hole. some times after chapter 599 i am wondering if it is kishi writing the story or sb else.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

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    lol... for real... he said that he spurred Yahiko to form akatsuki and we see them in their akatsuki uniforms listening to Obito. when Tobi said to Konan that he was the one behind the creation of akatsuki this means there was no akatsuki before Tobi. yet, there you are.
    how immensely stupid would Konan have to be to not connect the dots and realise that the man who approached them THEN would have sth to do with what akatsuki is doing given the fact that he ended up as their boss. she was surprised about what...?
    plot hole. some times after chapter 599 i am wondering if it is kishi writing the story or sb else.
    Yeah, I find it hard to believe that Konan couldn't connect the dots. Kishi is ruining the credibility of my fav character kakashi, Nagato and Konan.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Unlike the other thread this one might be onto sth. Good find, it does seem pretty strange that they would ever have accepted obito after what yahiko said this chapter. And konans surprise is also illogical
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    ....Que? GUYS, the Akatsuki is not madaras or obitos creation..... its yahiko's..... She obvosly is shocked because she din't think that yahiko would get pushed around like that..... They were wearing their akatsuki uniforms when talking to tobi you know lol.... he just pushed them into another direction... and she followed, not thinking much of the change. The only place that kishi does mistakes are in is sometimes in the anime were you see something off from the drawings.... The manga is suposed to be perfect....Im sure the dude proof reads the entire thing 100 + times before making it offical... So please, stop saying that there are plot holes in this chapter...
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Cuz Yahiko flat out rejected Obito.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurrinB View Post
    Cuz Yahiko flat out rejected Obito.
    Konan couldn't connect the dots and figure out that Obito approached them and thus might have had something to do with it?
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Akatsuki wasn't former at the time. They were wearing cloaks but not the Akatsuki cloaks and you would figure they would be very similar since they were the ones that started it. On the first page Obito is telling them about an organization to help bring out the full potential of the rinnegan not necessarily the Akatsuki organization but the key part of this is that he tells Nagato as they were walking off that he would be there everyday at the same time. Which means he could have convinced Yahiko to start up the Akatsuki through Nagato by telling him about to power of the rinnegan which no one else know anything about and telling him that if they were to create an organization to capture the tailed beast they could create the world that Yahiko mentioned he wanted. Nagato was clearly the one he was after in the first place but he know the only way to get to him to go along with the plan was to get Yahiko on board somehow.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    you people do realize that the akatsuki already existed before Obito approached the ame orphans. She was surprised becuase it sounded crazy that he may have caused Yahiko to create akatsuki.
     
         

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    Re: Another plothole?

    Quote Originally Posted by shyarkugan View Post
    you people do realize that the akatsuki already existed before Obito approached the ame orphans. She was surprised becuase it sounded crazy that he may have caused Yahiko to create akatsuki.
    Yep that's the point. When Tobito revealed to Konan, it was after he had defeated her. No reason to lie to a dying person you just killed. Her shock makes complete sense and the reveal does nothing to answer the question, unless......................
     
         

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