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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Mū vs. Sasuke

    Muu's move sets: Jinton, flight, invisibility, Sensor, and splitting technique

    Sasuke's current move sets: Chidori, chidori nagashi, chidor senbon, chidori sharp spear, summoning: hawk, amaterastu, sharingan genjustu, tsukyomi, susanoo, blaze release: yasaka magatami, blaze release: Kagesuchi, and Fire release: Great firaball jutsu (this will be the only fire style jutsu I will mention)

    Sasuke would beat Mū, but with high difficulty as the fight will come down to who could get jinton or enton to hit the other first. If Mū is hit by enton then he would most likely split his body to escape dying. This would cause him to loose the ability of performing his jintons technique and it would also dramatically decrease the power of his moves. Also while Mū is invisible he cannot perform any jinton techniques because his invisibility technique requires that he hide is chakra network from his opponent, thus if he uses chakra the technique is canceled. Once he cancels the technique sasuke wil know where he is at and this would put him at a disadvantage.

    Mū flight ability will not hender sasuke at all because the farther he is the easier it would be to dodge his jinton technique. Sasuke chidori and chidori nagashiwould prove useless vs Mū due to their close reach as for sharp spear and senbon do to them having a longer reach than nagashi and chidori, they have a possibilty of hitting Mū. The fight would mainly come down to susanoo and enton vs jinton. Sasuke has already seen jinton once so we must take that into account and onooki already explained to him how his move works. Sasuke's blaze release: yasaka magatami would prove to be the most deadliest of his moves Mū since he can fire several of them at a time were as Mū can only use one jinton at a time. Also sasuke's blaze release happens to be faster than Mū's jinton.

    The fight like I said will come down to sasuke's enton and Mū's jinton.

    Ōnoki vs. Sasuke

    Ōnoki's move sets is practically the same as Mū's move sets except he has various earth element techniques including rock clone. However, he can not turn invisible and he is not a sensor.

    Sasuke beats Ōnoki with mid difficulty as he would use the same strategy he uses for Mū and Mū happens be stronger than Ōnoki( they have similar fighting styles).

    3rd Raikage vs. Sasuke

    The 3rd raikage's move sets includes lighting armor(he is not as fast as his son), hell bringer technique, and black lighting(haven't seen how efficient his is though)

    Sasuke beats him mid difficulty due to the fact that enton destroys taijustu and hell bringer can't destroy susanoo. Susanoo's defense cannot be compared to inferior rock jutsus.

    4th Raikage vs. Sasuke

    The 4th's move sets includes lighting armor(this makes him incredibly fast and strong) and enhanced taijustu

    Sasuke beats the 4th mid difficulty same strategy that was used vs the 3rd, enton greater than taijustu

    Minato vs. Sasuke

    First people need to realize that sasuke can react to people who are faster than him, he cannot(that we know of at the moment) physically react. He reacted to the raikage fast attack by placing enton on his susanoo ribcage. Also he was looking at him the whole time which proves he could see him but couldn't physically react.
    Susanoo would defeat the 4th especially if wrapped in amaterastu. Putting seals on chakra means nothing to the host and this would give sasuke time to analyze the postion of all the kunai's and make a battle plan. Sasuke happens to be a genius just like minato and as such these two are incredibly smart. The raikage was able to deduce everything and decide where he could pop up at.

    Sasuke hard difficulty

    Bee vs. Sasuke Also the other jins vs sasuke 1 on 1

    Sasuke mid difficulty

    Bee and the other jins will go full tailbeast form when they noticed sasuke as a threat and upon doing this they make a easy target for either amaterastu or enton

    Gaara vs. Sasuke

    First off lets clear up something before I say why sasuke beats gaara mid difficulty. Gaara cannot not pull sasuke from susanoo even if they fought in the dessert because Ōnoki lightened up gaara's sand and this is what gave gaara the ability to pull madara from his susanoo. You can notice that gaara never tried it again because Ōnoki wasn't making his sand lighter after that.

    Now Sasuke chidori technique > gaara's sand, susanoo > sand defense, sasuke > gaara

    Gaara's doesn't move he is a stationary character. The only reason gaara fought from the skies is because deidara fought from the sky and was not going to land. Show me a fight where gaara fights from the skies other than deidara's fight. He didn't fight madara from the skies, he only escaped to the sky when madara used wood element: Advent of a world of flowering trees. Also like I mentioned gaara is so sure of his defense that he doesn't ever move. Sasuke's susanoo arrow pierces anything it comes into contact with it even managed to pierce wood element. Gaara's sand defense is great but susanoo in general is greater.

    Kabuto vs. Sasuke

    I'm going to declare this a fight we can't judge now. Kabuto lost orochimaru's chakra and as such we don't know what the effects of him losing that chakra will have on him. So I cannot say who will win without being bias.

    Itachi vs. Sasuke

    Sasuke hard difficulty

    Izanami will not work, tsukyomi wont work( sasuke has Itachi's eyes), and amaterastu wont work

    This will come down to Itachi having to use his susanoo to quickly defeat sasuke who can use susanoo longer than him. Since this is the most likely of cases, sasuke would win due to Itachi's body not being able to withstand the strain of susanoo due to his illness. If we say a healthy Itachi vs sasuke then this changes everything but does not change the final outcome.

    It would be a epic fight either way but sasuke would triumph over his brother.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Muu

    Muu has many advantages. First off he can supposedly fly as fast as onooki (much faster than amaterasu). Muu also has almost undetectable invisibility as a technique.

    Jinton which has little prep time and can be used from Far distances has proven to disintegrate Susano'o easily. It could possibly one shot sasuke at the beginning of a fight.
    *also see onooki

    Onooki

    Same reasons as muu, also Onooki's Jinton can get as big as turtle island.

    Some argue that Sasuke can fly also with his hawk summon. That dosen't help much if he's flying into a Jinton.

    Genjutsu?
    Bold part has zero proof and I guess that's why they beat Madara w/o perfect Susanoo
    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    3rd Raikage and 4th Raikage

    3rd raikage's 3 finger attack Would break through Complete Susanoo with ease. A has also shown the ability to break susanoo once he's moving fast enough.

    Both can dodge Amaterasu and have more chakra than Sasuke.
    Sasuke's Genjutsu is weak in comparison to what we've seen from other uchiha. Lets not forget that A (and possibly his dad) Can move faster than sasuke's eyes can follow in Raiton armour.
    once again making a baseless assumption with no proof. A had onoki lightening him to increase speed, so don't tell me he can otherwise since you have no textual proof. Shield of black flames can take both of them out.

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Itachi Uchiha

    Sasuke has not Mastered the Sharingan. Although he has EMS, he is no better than MS sasuke besides the no-drawbacks factor....
    Itachi with his MS has a higher mastery of the sharingan to Sasuke, Just as Madara has a higher mastery of the rinnegan to Nagato.

    People just cant say "Sasuke > Itachi" because he has an EMS,
    He hasn't yet near mastered Sharingan techniques, and could easily be defeated by one.

    As itachi provided, The uchiha created Jutsu to use against other uchiha, like Izanami for example.

    Loot at the fight against Danzo, a 3-tomoe sharingan user...he gave sasuke much difficulty, almost killed him because he (sasuke) lacked knowledge of "Sharingan techs".
    Danzo was a match for Sasuke because of how long he could last in a fight. Sasuke figured out Izanagi and effectively countered it without prior knowledge. You have no way to prove how Itachi best Sasuke other than baseless fanwank.

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Minato Namikaze

    This Panel Proves that Minato can enter complete susanoo:

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/574/11

    Note that there was no "Susanoo-chakra-wall" Preventing the entry, and according to the middle panel, although engulfed in Susano'o's chakra, the Zetsu recieved no harm.

    aMinato could enter with FTG Lv2 and defeat sasuke.
    then I guess Minato instantly one shots Itachi in Susanoo too :ice:

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Bee

    His taijutsu is Superior. He has more chakra, and is faster than Sasuke and amaterasu in TBV1 and TBV2. Any attack landed on sasuke in these modes is a one hit kill. Bijuu bomb would destroy Complete susano'o and Possibly sasuke along with it.

    As for genjutsu, it's not clear weather or not bee can escape it being that he has a bijuu inside him to disrupt his chakra. It could be that he was just playing around while fighting sasuke being that he didn't take the fight on a whole seriously.
    Amaterasu, blaze arrows, or blaze magatamas are much faster than TBB can charge up, Bee isn't getting off a TBB. He'll get burned to shit before that happens.

    Trolling as usual, I won't be replying to any replies since you'll just continue your BS logic.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    Mū vs. Sasuke

    Muu's move sets: Jinton, flight, invisibility, Sensor, and splitting technique

    Sasuke's current move sets: Chidori, chidori nagashi, chidor senbon, chidori sharp spear, summoning: hawk, amaterastu, sharingan genjustu, tsukyomi, susanoo, blaze release: yasaka magatami, blaze release: Kagesuchi, and Fire release: Great firaball jutsu (this will be the only fire style jutsu I will mention)

    Sasuke would beat Mū, but with high difficulty as the fight will come down to who could get jinton or enton to hit the other first. If Mū is hit by enton then he would most likely split his body to escape dying. This would cause him to loose the ability of performing his jintons technique and it would also dramatically decrease the power of his moves. Also while Mū is invisible he cannot perform any jinton techniques because his invisibility technique requires that he hide is chakra network from his opponent, thus if he uses chakra the technique is canceled. Once he cancels the technique sasuke wil know where he is at and this would put him at a disadvantage.

    Mū flight ability will not hender sasuke at all because the farther he is the easier it would be to dodge his jinton technique. Sasuke chidori and chidori nagashiwould prove useless vs Mū due to their close reach as for sharp spear and senbon do to them having a longer reach than nagashi and chidori, they have a possibilty of hitting Mū. The fight would mainly come down to susanoo and enton vs jinton. Sasuke has already seen jinton once so we must take that into account and onooki already explained to him how his move works. Sasuke's blaze release: yasaka magatami would prove to be the most deadliest of his moves Mū since he can fire several of them at a time were as Mū can only use one jinton at a time. Also sasuke's blaze release happens to be faster than Mū's jinton.

    The fight like I said will come down to sasuke's enton and Mū's jinton.
    Sasuke dosent spam enton at the beginning of his fights, where as Muu spams Jinton. Lets make it so that neither opponent knows the others techniques....sasuke dies at the beginning of the fight.

    @ 2nd bold: Wrong. The farther Muu flies, the easier it is for him to use jinton without disturbance from sasuke. Jinton has an extremely far reach. IT can get as big as Turtle Island. Sasuke still dies.

    Do you honestly think sasuke would use nagashi and Chidori on an opponent 70 feet in the sky? also muu would still dodge.

    Sasuke has never used yasaka magatami. Also, When Onooki was describing jinton, sasuke was already unconscious. \
    Given that sasuke can use yasaka magatami, Muu would easily dodge..sasuke would be depleted of chakra after extended use of Blaze realease and Muu would finish him off.

    Points, refuted.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    Ōnoki vs. Sasuke

    Ōnoki's move sets is practically the same as Mū's move sets except he has various earth element techniques including rock clone. However, he can not turn invisible and he is not a sensor.

    Sasuke beats Ōnoki with mid difficulty as he would use the same strategy he uses for Mū and Mū happens be stronger than Ōnoki( they have similar fighting styles).
    Onooki when flying is faster than yasaka magatami, Susanoo arrow and Amtaerasu. Sasuke's not hitting him.
    Onooki can use Jinton from several feet in the sky, sasuke has no attack besides his dodgeable amatearasu to get to that height. Sasuke will be exhausted after extended use (as always) and Onooki would finish him off.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    3rd Raikage vs. Sasuke

    The 3rd raikage's move sets includes lighting armor(he is not as fast as his son), hell bringer technique, and black lighting(haven't seen how efficient his is though)

    Sasuke beats him mid difficulty due to the fact that enton destroys taijustu and hell bringer can't destroy susanoo. Susanoo's defense cannot be compared to inferior rock jutsus.
    You have no proof he's not as fast as his son...who do you think though him Raiton Armour V1 and V2? there's a high chance that he is.

    Actually it can. Did you see how easily A sunk holes through incomplete susanoo? 3 finger attack would deminish it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    4th Raikage vs. Sasuke

    The 4th's move sets includes lighting armor(this makes him incredibly fast and strong) and enhanced taijustu

    Sasuke beats the 4th mid difficulty same strategy that was used vs the 3rd, enton greater than taijustu
    Actually Gaara saved Sasuke's life. If That drop kick would've landed, sasuke would've died and A would've lost a leg.

    A takes this high diff.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    Minato vs. Sasuke

    First people need to realize that sasuke can react to people who are faster than him, he cannot(that we know of at the moment) physically react. He reacted to the raikage fast attack by placing enton on his susanoo ribcage. Also he was looking at him the whole time which proves he could see him but couldn't physically react.
    Susanoo would defeat the 4th especially if wrapped in amaterastu. Putting seals on chakra means nothing to the host and this would give sasuke time to analyze the postion of all the kunai's and make a battle plan. Sasuke happens to be a genius just like minato and as such these two are incredibly smart. The raikage was able to deduce everything and decide where he could pop up at.

    Sasuke hard difficulty
    Stopped reading at the bold.
    btw, stop giving sasuke techniques he does not posses. This isn't the RP section.
    Minato wins, Mid-high diff for my reasons in the OP.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    Bee vs. Sasuke Also the other jins vs sasuke 1 on 1

    Sasuke mid difficulty

    Bee and the other jins will go full tailbeast form when they noticed sasuke as a threat and upon doing this they make a easy target for either amaterastu or enton
    Stupid arguement not worth replying too.
    Make up something more on the possible range.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    Gaara vs. Sasuke

    First off lets clear up something before I say why sasuke beats gaara mid difficulty. Gaara cannot not pull sasuke from susanoo even if they fought in the dessert because Ōnoki lightened up gaara's sand and this is what gave gaara the ability to pull madara from his susanoo. You can notice that gaara never tried it again because Ōnoki wasn't making his sand lighter after that.

    Now Sasuke chidori technique > gaara's sand, susanoo > sand defense, sasuke > gaara

    Gaara's doesn't move he is a stationary character. The only reason gaara fought from the skies is because deidara fought from the sky and was not going to land. Show me a fight where gaara fights from the skies other than deidara's fight. He didn't fight madara from the skies, he only escaped to the sky when madara used wood element: Advent of a world of flowering trees. Also like I mentioned gaara is so sure of his defense that he doesn't ever move. Sasuke's susanoo arrow pierces anything it comes into contact with it even managed to pierce wood element. Gaara's sand defense is great but susanoo in general is greater.
    @ bold: what chidori can sasuke use to get past Gaara's ultimate defense? lol I'd love to see that.

    Gaara is a stationary character...that dosen't mean he cant fly if he sees the need.

    @ 2nd bold: Weak arguement as always...making baseless assumptions without valid facts. Not worth replying too.
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    Kabuto vs. Sasuke

    I'm going to declare this a fight we can't judge now. Kabuto lost orochimaru's chakra and as such we don't know what the effects of him losing that chakra will have on him. So I cannot say who will win without being bias.
    weak excuse. DSM Kabuto > Sasuke.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    Itachi vs. Sasuke

    Sasuke hard difficulty

    Izanami will not work, tsukyomi wont work( sasuke has Itachi's eyes), and amaterastu wont work

    This will come down to Itachi having to use his susanoo to quickly defeat sasuke who can use susanoo longer than him. Since this is the most likely of cases, sasuke would win due to Itachi's body not being able to withstand the strain of susanoo due to his illness. If we say a healthy Itachi vs sasuke then this changes everything but does not change the final outcome.

    It would be a epic fight either way but sasuke would triumph over his brother.
    Why won't Amaterasu Work?
    What does having Itachi's eyes have to do with Genjutsu immunity? Didn't we see both Sasuke and Itachi get caught in Kabuto's genjutsu? - Your facts, are false.

    btw, Totsuka seals Sasuke and his susanoo in one shot.

    Itachi beats sasuke low-mid diff

    Quote Originally Posted by shyarkugan View Post
    Bold part has zero proof and I guess that's why they beat Madara w/o perfect Susanoo
    once again making a baseless assumption with no proof. A had onoki lightening him to increase speed, so don't tell me he can otherwise since you have no textual proof. Shield of black flames can take both of them out.

    Danzo was a match for Sasuke because of how long he could last in a fight. Sasuke figured out Izanagi and effectively countered it without prior knowledge. You have no way to prove how Itachi best Sasuke other than baseless fanwank.

    then I guess Minato instantly one shots Itachi in Susanoo too :ice:

    Amaterasu, blaze arrows, or blaze magatamas are much faster than TBB can charge up, Bee isn't getting off a TBB. He'll get burned to shit before that happens.

    Trolling as usual, I won't be replying to any replies since you'll just continue your BS logic.
    Flight > Base sasuke speed >/= Amaterasu



    @ Raikages: A never stated that witout Onooki he can't break susano'o. All he needs to do is get his speed up which can be easily accomplished by attacking from a futher distance.

    Shield of black flames would work...but they'd break through it as the attack was landed, as wee saw at the kage summit. (i'll link panel if you like). That one hit would be enough to kill sasuke.

    @ Danzo: Wrong. Danzo was a match for sasuke beacuse sasuke had no knowledge of the technique initially..though he figured it out afterwards..he still technically lost the fight. No fan-wanks here.

    @ Minato: Itachi's smarter than sasuke, bear that in mind.

    @ bee: You still fail to prove how sasuke will counter Bee's combination of techniques. All you've done is posted sasuke's techniques and "awed" at them.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Sasuke Vs Killer B
    Sasuke that Fought bee had the perfect arsenal to defeat bee. This Still beeing MS Sasuke.
    While it is true that Killer bee's Swordplay and Taijutsu outclass sasuke's. The Susanoo Ribcage with Amaterasu Covering nullifies these Talents that Killer Bee Possess. With this Amazing combination of Blaze Release and Susanoo Attacks such as these:



    Killer Bee Battle against the weakest Sasuke ever seen in the shippuden series and this is supported by the fact that he was Still no fully healed from his battle with Itachi:

    Sasuke's Snake powers and Curse mark was sealed and was now battling with literally no knowledge of his own powers. His Lighting style was counter by the fact that Killer bee was also Lighting style.
    Killer Bee has no attacks that would Break Blaze Release Susanoo so his Taijutsu and Sword play as stated before would be useless.
    To Your Arguement about Killer Bee being distracted by Suigetsu when Sasuke used the Amaterasu, this is what Suigetsu looked like before Sasuke used the Amaterasu:

    True this does catch the eye:D, but I think Killer B was finished with Suigetsu.

    Killer B has no hope, fighting from a range leaves Sasuke the victory because Amaterasu, Susanoo Arrow and TBB All have the fact in common that they are 1 Hit Kill Moves. Sadly, TBB Lacks the speed feats to match up with Amaterasu and Susanoo Arrow. Leaving Killer B Destroyed.
    Killer B Now Possesses the Sameheda
    Sameheda has shown to have 2 things that make me feel as if it would on be helpful temporarily. The fact that Sameheda has a Limit and a strong dislike for Katon ninjutsu.
    The limit that Sameheda has was shown in the battle against Killer B:


    As shown in this Page the Sameheda can not Absorb alot of Chakra at once, it was shown that when touching B. It was said B at 7 tailed Cloak but once Touched by Sameheda he was only reduce to 1 tail instead of having the entire cloaked removed. This limit was shown again when Killer B went for the Lariat:


    Sameheda touched B and he reverted back into Hachibi Version 1.
    Therefore Sameheda can not absorb a Large amount of Chakra at once.
    Sameheda has shown it's dislike for heat related Ninjutsu when Killer B used it to absorb up a portion of Itachi's Katon Release: Grand Fireball:


    Sameheda showed it's disgust and disapproval of absorbing Ninjutsu with Fire involved and Killer B helps the reader to further understand this by said "Can't Take the Heat."
    Where am i going with these Sameheda flaws is that with Susanoo needing a Great deal of Chakra, being compared to Bijuu and Amaterasu being the highest Level of Fire Ninjutsu, the combination of both these two at the time time would be to much for Sameheda to absorb all in 1 Serving. Sasuke having the ability to hold both Simultaneously I do believe Sameheda will not be able to Absorb Blaze Release: Susanoo in one serving and with Sameheda being need for Bee to counter Sasuke Amaterasu, Sasuke having the ability to Spam it now makes Sameheda unable to handle it. Sameheda having a personality may just end up refusing to even absorb sasuke chakra with it being so Sinister probably giving it a bad "Flavor" and him being an Katon and Enton user:

    There is no way Sameheda will Absorb Susanoo Covered in Enton and still absorb a Spam of the the Exact "Flavor" it dislikes.
    Yes Sameheda can eat would it does not like to but to much of it would cause it to refuse to eat anymore. Example:
    IF a Child thinks eating Spinach and Broccoli is nasty can't stand the "Flavor" he can probably still force down some Spinach, but having to each Spinach and Broccoli at the same time and then having to eat another plate of Spinach and another Plate the child will eventually act out and refuse to eat anymore.

    Killer B's Eight Tails Whirl Wind:
    Another known skill of Killer B is this attack:

    ]Many people supporting Sasuke's case have been speechless to this attack but Sasuke has shown a Strategy to us already of how he would deal with this. Sasuke could use the Susanoo arms to clench the ground and then shoot a fireball into these massive winds.
    Wind makes fire stronger and that is alot of wind to power up any of Sasuke's fire element jutsu and looking at how much wind that Killer B created adding Sasuke's fire nature in to boost damage would do serious damage to any oppoenent including killer B. Who's to say with Sasuke adding Enton to this Enormous fuel that this would not be an instant prep for Kirin? Kirin Requires the air to be hot and Amaterasu which is a Jutsu that is based upon the Enton flames being a possible source to fuel Kirin:

    This attack could just very will create the end for Killer B.
    Here is the strategy put to action against Danzo:

    While the sucking attack is based on "pulling" Susanno clenching the ground kept Susanoo from being pulled in even with Danzo attacking with a "Pushing" wind attack from the backside. Danzo even states that his wind attacks power was increased do to the suction of the baku. All these combos were supposed to move Susanoo out of it's place but even with the Pulling winds from the front and the increased wind power pushing from the backside Susanoo doesn't move. Then shooting the fireball during the wind causing the power of Sasuke's fireball to increase and with the size of the winds Killer B made along with the fire boost that would do serious damage to anyone.This combo killer the Baku but on a smaller scale.

    This combination should in fact be enough to withstand and counter attack Killer B's attack. While some trees with unrooted some trees were still in their place. Susanoo's grip in theory would hold Sasuke in place.
    There is also the option of attacking during Killer B's Prep of this move with Susanoo Arrow or Amaterasu:

    Susanoo arrow being able to interrupt Danzo's hand seals and being faster than Kakashi's body can react shows that it should have the speed feats to attack Killer B before the move:



    I will talk about each of your points in order to make it easily to see and understand which point at which part of my post I am making a rebuttal to.
    Starting with Killer B and his newly found knowledge of the Sharingan.
    Yes Killer B has shown that he has known to attempt attacking a Sharingan user while they are closing their eye to use Amaterasu:

    Sadly, Killer B did not learn enough from his fight from Sasuke to realize attacking in the style he did against Itachi would never work on an Uchiha using Amaterasu and here is why..
    When using Amaterasu it is shown that the user must close his eye. Closing 1 eye does not leave an Uchiha open, they still have 1 eye open. If Killer B attempts to attack Sasuke in that same fashion as he has shown he will fail to land his attack do to the Sharingans base power of reading linear attacks. Killer B throws the sword in a linear fashion which can not be helped but this would cause Sasuke or any Sharingan user to see the attack coming and avoid it like any other linear attack no matter the speed:


    Any Lighting enhanced sword or range attack that Killer B would attempt while using the Amaterasu would be counter by the 1 eye still open.
    Killer B's Linear Attack:

    Also something about Sasuke that people do not note often is that his speed feats with Amaterasu transcend Itachi's. Therefore using Itachis attacks in any argument against Sasuke is illegitimate.
    Itachi's Amaterasu speed feats:





    Sasuke's Amaterasu Speed feats:



    We barely ever see Sasuke having to close his eye before like Itachi. Sasuke uses Amaterasu one a much quicker scale than Itachi.

    Now yes your absolutely correct about the Jinchiriki defenses and that the nine tails was able to within stand an attack from the Kusangi blade.This sword most likely received it's name from attacking non-chakra boosted defenses. Since I have no proof of this I won't rely on this in my argument but do you believe that based of this hype of this blade that it could cut through a Susanoo? doubtful. Or think about Kishimoto's entry on the databook for Sasuke. Do you think Sasuke literally has the speed of a God? If he did Naruto's speed would not be as much of a problem as it is for Sasuke. Try not to depend so much on the hype of the weapon.
    Now to address your approach on the Susanoo arrow. You must realize that the Susanoo arrow has never been blocked. Susanoo Arrow has pierce everything and anything it has come into contact with including that pillar you posted a picture of. Can you tell me where the point of that arrow is? Did you continue to read through the manga after seeing this picture? The very next panel shows that the Susanoo Arrow pierced clean through the pillar:

    If you look at the top left panel you can see Susanoo from a front view and the Snakes and Pillar from a back view. You see the point of the Susanoo Arrow showing on the other side of the Pillar.
    Many people attempt to down grade Susanoo arrows worth using this picture but this only adds to it's feats that it has always pierced through what it hits:
    Hashirama's wood Style:

    The Susanoo Arrow is a technique that is ment for "Pierce" not destroying. Everyone trys to say that because the Susanoo Arrow did not destroy the pillar that it is weak but the point of a "Pierce" is ment to penetrate a defense and not to blow it up. Chidori is also a Pierce which is why it penetrates and not explodes like a Rasengan. The best example of the difference between Pierce and Explosion is this:

    Chidori penetrated/Pierced while Rasengan blew up the back:

    Susanoo has always Pierced what it has made contact with. As of now Susanoo Arrow has never been Blocked. It always Penetrates as designed.

    Now my rebuttal towards Kabuto using water style and hitting Sasuke. I really do not know how to explain why this happened. Maybe it was the fact that a Sage mode boost the power of Ninijutsu attacks and that Kabuto has exceeded even those of Perfect Sages using Juugo's cells, but I can defend Sasuke by Saying 1 that was only the Susanoo ribcage and two we have seen his Ribcage block attacks on a Much Larger Scale:



    Now about Killer B's Destructive power, yes Killer B has shown that he can break ground down a bit:

    But do you truly feel that the Raikage in which Sasuke's already blocked attacks from could not do an attack of such Destruction?
    I think your exaggerating the power of Killer B to try and equal his destructible power on the scale of Susanoo's Defense. Killer B is not break through Susanoo with just Taijutsu and with that single attack on Susanoo covered in Amaterasu Killer B would be engulf in the Enton flames and burn to death. Killer B attacks with his Body:


    Would mean attempting to cut limbs off would not work because their is to much of his body to cut for him to live. Sasuke Amaterasu also shows to engulf the entire body unlike Itachi's:

    Making Contact once would have Killer B Dead.

    Sending Chakra arms underground has been shown to leave the user stationary making him an easy target for Susanoo Arrow or Amaterasu.
    My Vote goes for Sasuke.


    Sasuke Vs Gaara
    I tried to Do a Deep Analyzes it is very long you do not have to read it if you guys don't want.
    Gaara's Sand Abilities:
    The basic facts about Gaara's sand defense is that whenever he is about to be harmed the sand lunges to protect him. Even from self damages such as trying to cut himself with a knife the sand will always attempt to protect him automatically. Gaara uses his sand to perform the following unique strategies when fighting his opponents:
    Sand Sensing
    Sand sensing is a simple but very useful technique where Gaara can spread his sand amongst a wide range and then sense what ever is making direct contact with the sand. Gaara has shown feats that he can even use this Technique in the air:

    This is a very useful Technique for Gaara and has shown no flaws it it's method.

    Desert Suspension:
    This is the Technique utilize by Gaara to allow him to fly or hover above the ground from which ever highs he finds comfortable. Gaara uses this fighting style against Deidara and Muu.

    Crushing Minerals to Fabricate Sand:
    Gaara shows to have the ability to generate sand using the minerals underground.
    Allowing him to create a Dessert thus utilizing attacks such as Sand Tsunami:

    Third Eye:
    This Technique allows for Gaara to spy on those around him or outside of his field of vision:

    Thus meaning if someone is extremely far away Gaara could use this technique to spot them or when Gaara decides to surrounding his body in his Shield of Sand then he can see outside of the dome where his normal eyes could not see. It is shown that Gaara can produce this eye anywhere on the battlefield he chooses but also in the duration of this technique must keep one of his normal eyes close to see through the created one. This does mean that the Third Eye is connected to the User's nervous system meaning the brain through chakra.

    Gaara has shown many more techniques and strategies with his sand but these are the most praised for there support in Gaara's fighting.

    Gaara's Experience Against The Sharingan:
    Gaara has battle against the Sharingan on more than one occasion and has taken in a considerable amount of knowledge. He knows what uses his Sand has in a battle against the Mangekyou Sharingan.
    Gaara has pulled the Madara Uchiha from his incomplete Susanoo form:

    In this same image Gaara showed that he had knowledge that biding Susanoo's movements is a considerably useful strategy in battle with one.
    Gaara has also shown the audience that his sand can withstand the burning of the Enton flames:


    Sasuke's Abilities to Matchup:
    Gaara's Desert Suspension:
    Gaara has shown a favortism for fighting land opponents on the ground the reason for that being is that the further away from his opponent that Gaara is the slower his attacks are. That's a longer range for his sand to cover. Therefore even if Gaara does decide to use this ability the probability that Gaara will choose to be very far is low. Gaara will fighting at a mid-range like he always does Suspended or not. To support my claim of Gaara's favoritism for fighting his and opponents in a mid-range and when fighting flying opponents he fly are these:
    During his battle with Kimimaru he face him on the land:

    Towards the end it was shown that staying on the ground was to dangerous for Gaara so he began to use his Sand Suspension. While hovering Gaara stayed at a mid-range to Kimimaru. Look at his distance from the bones in the ground:

    Just as you all claim for Gaara could Gaara not just had Lee and him hover so high from the battlefield that he was unreachable for Kimimaru and just hounded him with attacks? These reason he does not is because the distance takes Gaara out of his comfort zone and his attacks would have a larger range to travel therefore requiring much more sand and chakra:

    Against Deidara Gaara chooses to use his Sand suspension in order to stay within Mid-range to stay within pursuit of Deidara so his attacks would work successfully.

    Gaara being within that Mid-Range allows for Sasuke to still attack him. The fight between Sasuke vs Gaara will not leave the Mid-Range because that is what they prefer. Deidara also being able to fly still had to be within range to use his attacks effectively. Sasuke has Numerous attacks in his Arsenal for this range:
    Chidori Senbon



    This Jutsu carries a perfect range for attacking Gaara and the Lighting spear will Pierce through his Sand. I will explain Pierce soon.
    Great Fireball Jutsu:






    Third Eye:
    Gaara's Third Eye is created using his sand that is fused with Chakra. The Sharingan allows the User to see Chakra even behind walls or Pillars:

    Finding the Third Eye even if hidden should be a considerably easy feat for any Sharingan User. Gaara's Third Eye is also connected to his nervous System through his chakra which means it's connected to his brain. If Sasuke after easily seeking it out decides to make eye contact with the Third Eye Gaara will be put under Sasuke's genjutsu.

    Gaara's fighting style
    is based on Biding and then crushing his opponent. Both these requirements will be hard to meet against an Uchiha like Sasuke. Those against Sasuke claim that sense Madara was pulled out of his Susanoo that Sasuke would be as well. The Difference is that Biding Susanoo and grabbing Sasuke's body is impossible do to his specialty in lighting techs. Madara lacked this specialty in lighting techs. Sasuke can disperse lighting from his body in all directions causing anything and everything around him to be pushed back and shocked:

    Even something as dense as wood was pushed backed if you look toward Yamato.
    Sasuke has shown feats that he is able to use Jutsu while sustaining his Susanoo:

    Therefore a feat like this is far from impossible. Chidori Nagashi would refuse to allow Gaara's Sand to Bide Sasuke. Even If Sasuke was to be bide by Gaara's Sand the Susanno Ribcage would protect Sasuke's body from being Crushed:

    Amaterasu vs Gaara's Sand
    While it is shown that Gaara's Sand can withstand the Enton flames of Amaterasu:

    The real question would be could Gaara's Sand Block an attack that is near instant? Gaara's Sand does not show the speed feats to block an Amaterasu while it does show the Density to withstand it.


    Susanoo Arrow Vs Gaara's Sand:
    Susanoo Arrow will Pierce Gaara's Sand. Susanoo Arrow has shown to Always what it makes contact with from the simplest things:

    The tip of the arrow reached the other side:

    In the top left panel the manga shows you Sasuke Susanoo from the front view and Shows Kabuto and the Pillar from the back side to show you that the Arrow with ease penetrated.
    Many people attempt to use the fact that the Pillar was not destroy as a measure of Susanoo Arrow's power but the fact that the Pillar was not destroyed shows that it stands with it's attended purpose, to Penetrate. Pierce is a style of attacking that is fulling based around penetrating defenses. Not destroying it through impact or explosion. The best know example I can give is this:

    Sasuke's Chidori Pierced clean through without destroying the tank, while Naruto's Rasenghan exploded the back side:

    Susanoo arrow being able to Pierce something as dense as Hashirama's wood style:

    Along with the fact that so far in the story it has been shown to be an unblockable attack. Gaara's Sand is not blocking this.

    These are Just Old posts I made on the subject I will make new ones for others I disagree with in this thread and even though they are old and were used against another argument they should still get the point across.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Once I saw him say Itachi beats Sasuke low-mid diff I knew that the thread maker was trolling....
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    Bee vs. Sasuke Also the other jins vs sasuke 1 on 1

    Sasuke mid difficulty

    Bee and the other jins will go full tailbeast form when they noticed sasuke as a threat and upon doing this they make a easy target for either amaterastu or enton

    Gaara vs. Sasuke

    First off lets clear up something before I say why sasuke beats gaara mid difficulty. Gaara cannot not pull sasuke from susanoo even if they fought in the dessert because Ōnoki lightened up gaara's sand and this is what gave gaara the ability to pull madara from his susanoo. You can notice that gaara never tried it again because Ōnoki wasn't making his sand lighter after that.

    Now Sasuke chidori technique > gaara's sand, susanoo > sand defense, sasuke > gaara

    Gaara's doesn't move he is a stationary character. The only reason gaara fought from the skies is because deidara fought from the sky and was not going to land. Show me a fight where gaara fights from the skies other than deidara's fight. He didn't fight madara from the skies, he only escaped to the sky when madara used wood element: Advent of a world of flowering trees.
    1) killer b vs sasuke:are you serious?,v2 bee can easily fire a tbb,and he can make several ink clones to distract sasuke,v2 allows him to dodge arrows,the shroud allows him to easily survive ama.tbb finishes the susanoo.

    2) gaara vs sasuke:weak points. Gaara can easily pull sasuke out of his susanoo alone,and he didnt pull madara out again because madara's susanoo grew legs,so that point is a fail.gaara unable to attack sasuke in susanoo in a dessert?,what is sasuke standing on?. Gaara easily stopped a v2 raikage attack+enton at the same time,v2 >>chidori,so that one is a fail as well. Gaara barely flies?,he flew againstkimi,deidara,the kages,madara. Sasuke has used kirin once,as well as his hawk,so i guess he wont use them too. Gaara would fly if he saw fit. Danzo redirected a susanoo arrow with an incomplete moukton,gaara wont have a problem mimicking it,a stone pillar stopped the momentum of an arrow and made it stuck,gaara's sand would easily do far more than the pillar. Gaara reacted to an instant forest,as well as explosions,so reacting to sasuke wont be a problem. Genjutsu isnt a problem,as 3rd eye covers that,ama/enton isnt a problem,as sand shield,sand sphere or sand armour handles that,susanoo isnt much of a problem,as sasuke is either pulled out or attacked from under,and arrows are redirected. Gaara is leagues above sasuke in chakra level,his sand abilities have reached the level where he was mistakened for shukaku,his chakra allowed him to fight using those sand moves for 2 days,his defense has showed the ability to handle 5 susanoos despite not being at full defencive force. I'd say gaara high diff,mid in a dessert.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    You're underestimating him. Who would of thought he'd be capable of winning against someone who could maintain ten Sharingan and spam Izanagi?

    You only seem to mention tech after feat after tech. That isn't all there is to being a Shinobi, if it were Deidara would've defeated Sasuke. Tactics and Intel sway a fight to a persons favour, Shikamaru has shown that with limited techniques, poor stamina and little speed, he can match people with just intelligence and a couple of Shadow jutsu. Of course I'm not comparing Sasuke's intelligence to his, but he has shown to be very tactical and when he's not raging, he can punch above his weight.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    Mū vs. Sasuke

    Muu's move sets: Jinton, flight, invisibility, Sensor, and splitting technique

    Sasuke's current move sets: Chidori, chidori nagashi, chidor senbon, chidori sharp spear, summoning: hawk, amaterastu, sharingan genjustu, tsukyomi, susanoo, blaze release: yasaka magatami, blaze release: Kagesuchi, and Fire release: Great firaball jutsu (this will be the only fire style jutsu I will mention)

    Sasuke would beat Mū, but with high difficulty as the fight will come down to who could get jinton or enton to hit the other first. If Mū is hit by enton then he would most likely split his body to escape dying. This would cause him to loose the ability of performing his jintons technique and it would also dramatically decrease the power of his moves. Also while Mū is invisible he cannot perform any jinton techniques because his invisibility technique requires that he hide is chakra network from his opponent, thus if he uses chakra the technique is canceled. Once he cancels the technique sasuke wil know where he is at and this would put him at a disadvantage.

    Mū flight ability will not hender sasuke at all because the farther he is the easier it would be to dodge his jinton technique. Sasuke chidori and chidori nagashiwould prove useless vs Mū due to their close reach as for sharp spear and senbon do to them having a longer reach than nagashi and chidori, they have a possibilty of hitting Mū. The fight would mainly come down to susanoo and enton vs jinton. Sasuke has already seen jinton once so we must take that into account and onooki already explained to him how his move works. Sasuke's blaze release: yasaka magatami would prove to be the most deadliest of his moves Mū since he can fire several of them at a time were as Mū can only use one jinton at a time. Also sasuke's blaze release happens to be faster than Mū's jinton.

    The fight like I said will come down to sasuke's enton and Mū's jinton.

    Ōnoki vs. Sasuke

    Ōnoki's move sets is practically the same as Mū's move sets except he has various earth element techniques including rock clone. However, he can not turn invisible and he is not a sensor.

    Sasuke beats Ōnoki with mid difficulty as he would use the same strategy he uses for Mū and Mū happens be stronger than Ōnoki( they have similar fighting styles).

    3rd Raikage vs. Sasuke

    The 3rd raikage's move sets includes lighting armor(he is not as fast as his son), hell bringer technique, and black lighting(haven't seen how efficient his is though)

    Sasuke beats him mid difficulty due to the fact that enton destroys taijustu and hell bringer can't destroy susanoo. Susanoo's defense cannot be compared to inferior rock jutsus.

    4th Raikage vs. Sasuke

    The 4th's move sets includes lighting armor(this makes him incredibly fast and strong) and enhanced taijustu

    Sasuke beats the 4th mid difficulty same strategy that was used vs the 3rd, enton greater than taijustu

    Minato vs. Sasuke

    First people need to realize that sasuke can react to people who are faster than him, he cannot(that we know of at the moment) physically react. He reacted to the raikage fast attack by placing enton on his susanoo ribcage. Also he was looking at him the whole time which proves he could see him but couldn't physically react.
    Susanoo would defeat the 4th especially if wrapped in amaterastu. Putting seals on chakra means nothing to the host and this would give sasuke time to analyze the postion of all the kunai's and make a battle plan. Sasuke happens to be a genius just like minato and as such these two are incredibly smart. The raikage was able to deduce everything and decide where he could pop up at.

    Sasuke hard difficulty

    Bee vs. Sasuke Also the other jins vs sasuke 1 on 1

    Sasuke mid difficulty

    Bee and the other jins will go full tailbeast form when they noticed sasuke as a threat and upon doing this they make a easy target for either amaterastu or enton

    Gaara vs. Sasuke

    First off lets clear up something before I say why sasuke beats gaara mid difficulty. Gaara cannot not pull sasuke from susanoo even if they fought in the dessert because Ōnoki lightened up gaara's sand and this is what gave gaara the ability to pull madara from his susanoo. You can notice that gaara never tried it again because Ōnoki wasn't making his sand lighter after that.

    Now Sasuke chidori technique > gaara's sand, susanoo > sand defense, sasuke > gaara

    Gaara's doesn't move he is a stationary character. The only reason gaara fought from the skies is because deidara fought from the sky and was not going to land. Show me a fight where gaara fights from the skies other than deidara's fight. He didn't fight madara from the skies, he only escaped to the sky when madara used wood element: Advent of a world of flowering trees. Also like I mentioned gaara is so sure of his defense that he doesn't ever move. Sasuke's susanoo arrow pierces anything it comes into contact with it even managed to pierce wood element. Gaara's sand defense is great but susanoo in general is greater.

    Kabuto vs. Sasuke

    I'm going to declare this a fight we can't judge now. Kabuto lost orochimaru's chakra and as such we don't know what the effects of him losing that chakra will have on him. So I cannot say who will win without being bias.

    Itachi vs. Sasuke

    Sasuke hard difficulty

    Izanami will not work, tsukyomi wont work( sasuke has Itachi's eyes), and amaterastu wont work

    This will come down to Itachi having to use his susanoo to quickly defeat sasuke who can use susanoo longer than him. Since this is the most likely of cases, sasuke would win due to Itachi's body not being able to withstand the strain of susanoo due to his illness. If we say a healthy Itachi vs sasuke then this changes everything but does not change the final outcome.

    It would be a epic fight either way but sasuke would triumph over his brother.
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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    You're underestimating him. Who would of thought he'd be capable of winning against someone who could maintain ten Sharingan and spam Izanagi?

    You only seem to mention tech after feat after tech. That isn't all there is to being a Shinobi, if it were Deidara would've defeated Sasuke. Tactics and Intel sway a fight to a persons favour, Shikamaru has shown that with limited techniques, poor stamina and little speed, he can match people with just intelligence and a couple of Shadow jutsu. Of course I'm not comparing Sasuke's intelligence to his, but he has shown to be very tactical and when he's not raging, he can punch above his weight.
    dont know who u are referin to,try to indicate next time,danzo would have finished sasuke twice if not for pnj,first time was when he hot sasuk in his funjitsu,and pnj made him blabber abt itachi,secnd time was when he had shushi's eye back,he could have oneshotted sasuke,or used it for izanagi,but didnt choose either one.

    Feats and intelligent assumptions are what is used here,besides sasuke was deidara's complete weakness,raiton sharingan.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by genii96 View Post
    1) killer b vs sasuke:are you serious?,v2 bee can easily fire a tbb,and he can make several ink clones to distract sasuke,v2 allows him to dodge arrows,the shroud allows him to easily survive ama.tbb finishes the susanoo.
    Bee's strongest form is his full out tail beast form a.k.a Gyukki. Bee already said that sasuke was the strongest opponent he had faced at that time. Now sasuke is way stronger than he was at that present time. His v2 state power is nowhere near his full state form. This is the reality of bee and if you don't believe me then answer this question. Why use full beast form rather than uses v2 state against the other tailbeast, while you can clearly see they have not turned full beast mode?


    Quote Originally Posted by genii96 View Post
    2) gaara vs sasuke:weak points. Gaara can easily pull sasuke out of his susanoo alone,and he didnt pull madara out again because madara's susanoo grew legs,so that point is a fail.gaara unable to attack sasuke in susanoo in a dessert?,what is sasuke standing on?. Gaara easily stopped a v2 raikage attack+enton at the same time,v2 >>chidori,so that one is a fail as well. Gaara barely flies?,he flew againstkimi,deidara,the kages,madara. Sasuke has used kirin once,as well as his hawk,so i guess he wont use them too. Gaara would fly if he saw fit. Danzo redirected a susanoo arrow with an incomplete moukton,gaara wont have a problem mimicking it,a stone pillar stopped the momentum of an arrow and made it stuck,gaara's sand would easily do far more than the pillar. Gaara reacted to an instant forest,as well as explosions,so reacting to sasuke wont be a problem. Genjutsu isnt a problem,as 3rd eye covers that,ama/enton isnt a problem,as sand shield,sand sphere or sand armour handles that,susanoo isnt much of a problem,as sasuke is either pulled out or attacked from under,and arrows are redirected. Gaara is leagues above sasuke in chakra level,his sand abilities have reached the level where he was mistakened for shukaku,his chakra allowed him to fight using those sand moves for 2 days,his defense has showed the ability to handle 5 susanoos despite not being at full defencive force. I'd say gaara high diff,mid in a dessert.
    @ 1st bold: Clearly read the manga please. Onoki made gaara's sand much lighter than it was normally, this allowed him the ability to removed madara from his susanoo.

    @ 2nd bold: Madara was fighting that whole fight for a while with his legless susanoo and gaara never tried to pull him out again. Why? Because onoki was supporting raikage for most of the fight.

    @ 3rd bold: Gaara's sand blocks rather effictively against physical brutal attacks like raikages kick. Sasuke attacks pierces and sasuke already pierced gaara's sand once already. Now they're older but the same would happen. Gaara only flies if he either needs to catch his opponent in the skies or needs to avoid a area effect move. He just does not fly for the pure pleasure of flying. In all your cases one of these conditions had been meet.

    @ 4th bold: First, I never stated he would use kirin at all so lets make that clear. @ 2nd, sasuke hasn't been put in a situation where he has to fly. 3rd, You need to understand that gaara does not always react to a move, his sand(a.k.a karura's will a.k.a his mother's will) protects gaara. This is his defense and the sand will try to protect him its and thats when gaara dies because the arrow has a 100% pierce rate since it has pierced every object it hits.

    @ 5th bold: His dad died before he was able to see the shukaku extracted from his son. Of course, he would his son is shukuka's power to control all that sand.

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Sasuke dosent spam enton at the beginning of his fights, where as Muu spams Jinton. Lets make it so that neither opponent knows the others techniques....sasuke dies at the beginning of the fight.

    @ 2nd bold: Wrong. The farther Muu flies, the easier it is for him to use jinton without disturbance from sasuke. Jinton has an extremely far reach. IT can get as big as Turtle Island. Sasuke still dies.

    Do you honestly think sasuke would use nagashi and Chidori on an opponent 70 feet in the sky? also muu would still dodge.

    Sasuke has never used yasaka magatami. Also, When Onooki was describing jinton, sasuke was already unconscious. \
    Given that sasuke can use yasaka magatami, Muu would easily dodge..sasuke would be depleted of chakra after extended use of Blaze realease and Muu would finish him off.

    Points, refuted.
    Sasuke can fly with his summoning, never stated he would use those techniques in fact I stated he would not use them because of how ineffectitive they would be against mu. If you want I could call it by another name like blaze release: flying disk or blaze release: destro disc. Any way he used the move and I got the name from naruto.wikia because the name wasn't stated in the manga page.

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Onooki when flying is faster than yasaka magatami, Susanoo arrow and Amtaerasu. Sasuke's not hitting him.
    Onooki can use Jinton from several feet in the sky, sasuke has no attack besides his dodgeable amatearasu to get to that height. Sasuke will be exhausted after extended use (as always) and Onooki would finish him off.
    same as mu

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    You have no proof he's not as fast as his son...who do you think though him Raiton Armour V1 and V2? there's a high chance that he is.

    Actually it can. Did you see how easily A sunk holes through incomplete susanoo? 3 finger attack would deminish it.
    Really really the 3rd is not as fast as his son. The 4th even said that he was the fastest ninja since the 4th died.
    Keyword incomplete, do not compare incomplete form to complete form.

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Actually Gaara saved Sasuke's life. If That drop kick would've landed, sasuke would've died and A would've lost a leg.

    A takes this high diff.
    practically same strategy against the 3rd

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Stopped reading at the bold.
    btw, stop giving sasuke techniques he does not posses. This isn't the RP section.
    Minato wins, Mid-high diff for my reasons in the OP.
    How can you make a thread against a character, when you yourself do not his abilities. Go re read his fight with the raikage and when the raikage attacks through susanoo look at sasuke eyes. Like I said but you chose not to read or you just chose to ignore my post but he never lost sight of the raikage he just couldn't physically react(this means dodging or moving the body in latent terms).

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Stupid arguement not worth replying too.
    Make up something more on the possible range.
    Stupid reply. Before you post that a character can beat a character, you should know their tendencies. Bee's strongest form is full form. He will use full form vs sasuke when he notices he needs to use more power. Sasuke uses enton or amaterastu to finish him.

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    @ bold: what chidori can sasuke use to get past Gaara's ultimate defense? lol I'd love to see that.

    Gaara is a stationary character...that dosen't mean he cant fly if he sees the need.

    @ 2nd bold: Weak arguement as always...making baseless assumptions without valid facts. Not worth replying too.
    Read what I told the guy above my reply to you. I don't fell like restating it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    weak excuse. DSM Kabuto > Sasuke.
    Like I said, no one can state what kabuto can do now that he lost orochimaru's chakra. Its a weak argument to say ?>? when you don't know what he can do now.

    Quote Originally Posted by PuppyDogGeneral View Post
    Why won't Amaterasu Work?
    What does having Itachi's eyes have to do with Genjutsu immunity? Didn't we see both Sasuke and Itachi get caught in Kabuto's genjutsu? - Your facts, are false.

    btw, Totsuka seals Sasuke and his susanoo in one shot.

    Itachi beats sasuke low-mid diff
    Sasuke can put out the flames, having Itachi's eyes improves his visual genjustu defense. It sound not visual. Sharingan counters visual genjustu. It has not been shown that totsuka pierces everything even when a defense is up. So it is highly unknown if it will pierce susanoo or not.


    Flight > Base sasuke speed >/= Amaterasu



    @ Raikages: A never stated that witout Onooki he can't break susano'o. All he needs to do is get his speed up which can be easily accomplished by attacking from a futher distance.

    Shield of black flames would work...but they'd break through it as the attack was landed, as wee saw at the kage summit. (i'll link panel if you like). That one hit would be enough to kill sasuke.

    @ Danzo: Wrong. Danzo was a match for sasuke beacuse sasuke had no knowledge of the technique initially..though he figured it out afterwards..he still technically lost the fight. No fan-wanks here.

    @ Minato: Itachi's smarter than sasuke, bear that in mind.

    @ bee: You still fail to prove how sasuke will counter Bee's combination of techniques. All you've done is posted sasuke's techniques and "awed" at them.[/QUOTE]

    1st bold: Really read the manga, A clearly stated that he could not damage susanoo with his current speed, thus Onoki increased his speed by making him lighter.

    2nd Bold: Yet he figured out his move and defeated him. Manga says he defeated him, non manga facts(you) say he didn't.

    3rd bold: Sasuke not a dumb arse. People seem to think he is dumb when he has been proclaimed time and time again to be a genius.

    4th bold: Read what I put in my replay to you.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by genii96 View Post
    dont know who u are referin to,try to indicate next time,danzo would have finished sasuke twice if not for pnj,first time was when he hot sasuk in his funjitsu,and pnj made him blabber abt itachi,secnd time was when he had shushi's eye back,he could have oneshotted sasuke,or used it for izanagi,but didnt choose either one.

    Feats and intelligent assumptions are what is used here,besides sasuke was deidara's complete weakness,raiton sharingan.
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    Bee's strongest form is his full out tail beast form a.k.a Gyukki. Bee already said that sasuke was the strongest opponent he had faced at that time. Now sasuke is way stronger than he was at that present time. His v2 state power is nowhere near his full state form. This is the reality of bee and if you don't believe me then answer this question. Why use full beast form rather than uses v2 state against the other tailbeast, while you can clearly see they have not turned full beast mode?

    @ 1st bold: Clearly read the manga please. Onoki made gaara's sand much lighter than it was normally, this allowed him the ability to removed madara from his susanoo.
    @ 2nd bold: Madara was fighting that wholefight for a while with his legless susanoo and gaara never tried to pull him out again. Why? Because onoki was supporting raikagefor most of the fight.
    @ 3rd bold: Gaara's sand blocks rather effictively against physical brutal attacks like raikages kick. Sasuke attacks pierces and sasuke already pierced gaara's sand once already. Now they're older but the same would happen. Gaara only flies if he either needs to catch his opponent in the skies or needs to avoid a area effect move. He just does not fly for the pure pleasure of flying. In all your cases one of these conditions hadbeen meet.
    @ 4th bold: First, I never stated he would use kirin at all so lets make that clear. @ 2nd,sasuke hasn't been put in a situation where he has to fly. 3rd, You need to understand that gaara does not always react to a move, his sand(a.k.a karura's will a.k.a his mother's will) protects gaara. This is his defense and the sand will try to protect him its and thats when gaara dies because the arrow has a 100% pierce rate since it has pierced every object it hits.
    @ 5th bold: His dad died before he was able to see the shukaku extracted from his son. Of course, he would his son is shukuka's power to control all that sand.
    The answer to your question is easy,bee went full hachibi to clear the forest around them,because it was hindering him and naruto,not because of his opponents.

    V2 is the power of hachibi,but in human form,it moulds the chakra of the bijuu into human form,which allows the jin to use the bijuu powers like a tbb,without needing to fully turn,so killer b has no problem staying in v2 to face sasuke. Killer b used 3tk to face sasuke,now he can go full v2. V2 is basically used to give the jin an advantage without goung full bijuu,so as to avoid hurting comrads,or situations like this with sasuke.

    About gaara vs sasuke
    1) you read the manga,gaara used the sand under madara to pull him out,onoki lightened his gourd sand and the sand around him,gaara used the one beneath madara. It's common sense,if there is sand under sasuke's feet,and his susanoo is vulnerable from below,then gaara can attack with the sand,does sasuke need itachi for kirin simply bcos he used it the 1st time?
    2) madara was pulled out,used his rinnegan,then pulled a meteor,gaara and onoki survived,but were weakened,tsunade came and healed them,5 kages faced madara,and his susanoo grew legs,gaara never pulled him out bcos his susanoo had legs,even if you are right,onoki never undid his jutsu on gaara,his sand is still lightened,so he can do it to sasuke.
    3)kimimaro's bone drill was way stronger than sra sasuke's chidori,it not only tried to pierce,but drill through and got shattered,sasuke pierced a small dome where gaara didnt even attack him at all while he was moving,not the case here,gaara's sand obviously improved more than sasuke's chidori from feats alone.gaara flies if he sees the need to,flight gives him a massive advantage over sasuke,why wont he take it if he wants to?
    4)the sand protects him,he can also manipulate it to increase it's defensive qualities,gaara can simply redirect the arrow like danzo did anyway,or make a sand wall to slow the momentum of the arrow like the pillar,and since susanoo is taller,sasuke will am down,the arrow will not reach gaara if a wall of sand is placed a distance in front of him,it might pierce the sand wall,but will loose it's momentum and force dramatically,a stone pillar was able to do this to it,gaara can as well,since his sand is much stronger than a pillar,the arrows would be much less penetrative and the arrows would hit the ground or be stopped. Redirecting it however like danzo did,can be done by his auto defence,or gaara himself,and it wont take much energy,not that it matters since he far outweighs sasuke in that aspect.
    5) his dad faced raw shukaku itself several times,so he knows what he is talking about.
     
         

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    I disagree with the Gaara, A, Bee, the 3rd Raikage, and Mū. Gaara depends on whether he is outside, where he can grind large amounts of sand, and even then, v5 Susano'o with an Amaterasu blade is going to do some hurting fast. A, on the other hand, literally gave an arm and a leg to beat Sasuke with a v1 Susano'o. Similarly, Sasuke pushed Bee fairly far without even having v1 Susano'o. With v5 Susano'o, Bee and A are going down to that Amaterasu Susano'o in my opinion. Similarly, I believe Amaterasu would trump the 3rd Raikage's defense. Mū is a bit more debatable, but I'm fairly sure the Mangekyō would see through his invisibility, and from that point Sasuke can bring him down with Susano'o or Amaterasu.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by genii96 View Post
    The answer to your question is easy,bee went full hachibi to clear the forest around them,because it was hindering him and naruto,not because of his opponents.

    V2 is the power of hachibi,but in human form,it moulds the chakra of the bijuu into human form,which allows the jin to use the bijuu powers like a tbb,without needing to fully turn,so killer b has no problem staying in v2 to face sasuke. Killer b used 3tk to face sasuke,now he can go full v2. V2 is basically used to give the jin an advantage without goung full bijuu,so as to avoid hurting comrads,or situations like this with sasuke.

    About gaara vs sasuke
    1) you read the manga,gaara used the sand under madara to pull him out,onoki lightened his gourd sand and the sand around him,gaara used the one beneath madara. It's common sense,if there is sand under sasuke's feet,and his susanoo is vulnerable from below,then gaara can attack with the sand,does sasuke need itachi for kirin simply bcos he used it the 1st time?
    2) madara was pulled out,used his rinnegan,then pulled a meteor,gaara and onoki survived,but were weakened,tsunade came and healed them,5 kages faced madara,and his susanoo grew legs,gaara never pulled him out bcos his susanoo had legs,even if you are right,onoki never undid his jutsu on gaara,his sand is still lightened,so he can do it to sasuke.
    3)kimimaro's bone drill was way stronger than sra sasuke's chidori,it not only tried to pierce,but drill through and got shattered,sasuke pierced a small dome where gaara didnt even attack him at all while he was moving,not the case here,gaara's sand obviously improved more than sasuke's chidori from feats alone.gaara flies if he sees the need to,flight gives him a massive advantage over sasuke,why wont he take it if he wants to?
    4)the sand protects him,he can also manipulate it to increase it's defensive qualities,gaara can simply redirect the arrow like danzo did anyway,or make a sand wall to slow the momentum of the arrow like the pillar,and since susanoo is taller,sasuke will am down,the arrow will not reach gaara if a wall of sand is placed a distance in front of him,it might pierce the sand wall,but will loose it's momentum and force dramatically,a stone pillar was able to do this to it,gaara can as well,since his sand is much stronger than a pillar,the arrows would be much less penetrative and the arrows would hit the ground or be stopped. Redirecting it however like danzo did,can be done by his auto defence,or gaara himself,and it wont take much energy,not that it matters since he far outweighs sasuke in that aspect.
    5) his dad faced raw shukaku itself several times,so he knows what he is talking about.
    Dude going gyukki is the strongest mode he can muster. He will need something stronger than v2 to try and destroy susanoo. He will switch with gyukki to try and destroy susanoo with a tailbeast ball. Before he gets the chance to finish his move amaterastu or enton to the face. The battle ends. Sasuke mid-hard difficulty

    1)

    Tsuchikage makes gaara sand much lighter, which allowed him to pull madara from susanoo. Manga proof. Lets stick with what the manga shows and not use wishful thinking.

    2) He susanoo gains feet after he did he kage mokouton justsu and put 5 of him on each kage. Onoki can only make something or someone lighter by touching them/it and it only lasts while he is in contact with that person. Proof look at gaara and raikage.

    3) You act like sasuke just went on standstill and only gaara improved. Let me break it down for you. Sasuke has 4 types of chidori. He has regular chidori, long sword chidori, chidori needels, and full body defense chidori. I believe his chidori improved alot since his last squabble with gaara. Like I said look at all gaara's fights he only fought two opponents in the air deidara and mu. Why? Because they were flying. Flying puts gaara at a disadvantage since the farther the distance between him and his opponent, the easier his move are to dodge. Why would he put himself at a disadvantage vs someone.

    4) The main problem I see now is that people get the wrong idea when a certain character does something. Just because danzo managed to changed the projectory of the arrow does not mean every character with a defense can redirect his arrow. Wood element > gaara's sand

    5) I reread the pages and he did think it was shukaku. This still doesn't change the fact that he would lose to sasuke. Nothing gaara has can stop or kill him at his current level. Susanoo protects sasuke from anything gaara can do.

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    Dude going gyukki is the strongest mode he can muster. He will need something stronger than v2 to try and destroy susanoo. He will switch with gyukki to try and destroy susanoo with a tailbeast ball. Before he gets the chance to finish his move amaterastu or enton to the face. The battle ends. Sasuke mid-hard difficulty

    1)

    Tsuchikage makes gaara sand much lighter, which allowed him to pull madara from susanoo. Manga proof. Lets stick with what the manga shows and not use wishful thinking.

    2) He susanoo gains feet after he did he kage mokouton justsu and put 5 of him on each kage. Onoki can only make something or someone lighter by touching them/it and it only lasts while he is in contact with that person. Proof look at gaara and raikage.

    3) You act like sasuke just went on standstill and only gaara improved. Let me break it down for you. Sasuke has 4 types of chidori. He has regular chidori, long sword chidori, chidori needels, and full body defense chidori. I believe his chidori improved alot since his last squabble with gaara. Like I said look at all gaara's fights he only fought two opponents in the air deidara and mu. Why? Because they were flying. Flying puts gaara at a disadvantage since the farther the distance between him and his opponent, the easier his move are to dodge. Why would he put himself at a disadvantage vs someone.

    4) The main problem I see now is that people get the wrong idea when a certain character does something. Just because danzo managed to changed the projectory of the arrow does not mean every character with a defense can redirect his arrow. Wood element > gaara's sand

    5) I reread the pages and he did think it was shukaku. This still doesn't change the fact that he would lose to sasuke. Nothing gaara has can stop or kill him at his current level. Susanoo protects sasuke from anything gaara can do.

    Sasuke mid-high difficulty
    just because gyuki is the strongest modse dosent mean it his only choice,v2 can fire a tbb,sasuke's susanoo wont stop a tbb from v2 at all,he knows abt the weakness of going full gyuki,so why bother when you can do a tbb in v2?. Killer b high diff.

    1) onoki made gaara's sand lighter,gaara used sand under madara to pull him out,gaara dosent need any help. If there is sand under sasuke's feet,gaara can raise it up to attack him,as seen when he grabbed 3 kages at once,so either way,gaara still can easily attack him from below.
    2)after he used rinnegan,he pulled out a meteor from the sky,gaara and onoki survived,he then followed up with moukton,naruto destroyed it,other kages came,and then the fight started. Besides madara would not fall for the same thing twice in a row. Onoki stayed on the raikage because he needed to first lighten,then harden him,he made him light to make him faster,then before the punch,made him heavy,he couldnt do those 2 at once,so he had to stay on him,he wasnt touching gaara's gourd and the grond when he told gaara that he made his sand lighter,if you are correct,which u arent,then he would have been touching bpth gaara's gourd and the ground when he told gaara,he also made muu heavy,when he let go,the jutsu didnt stop,same witj zetsu clones and susanoo clones. So is sasuke is standing on sand,gaara can't use that sand to attack him?
    3)gaara uses sand only,sasuke dosent only use chidori,sasuke improved in other aspects while gaara uses all his improvements on sand alone,so naturally it would top the one sasuke made on chidori,and like i said,gaara took kimi's bone spear which was way above SRA sasuke's chidori,so that chidori weakness thing stopped at the SRA arc,and sasuke is not getting close enough to even use chidori. Gaara excels at mid-long range fighting,if flying puts more distance between him and his opponent,then how is that a disadvantage?gaara can asily control the sand around sasuke,and below him,so distance dosent matter,he is going to attack from everywhere,even behind sasuke,3rd eye allows him to easily fight from far way distances.so it is a massive advantage.
    4) danzo's incomplete single tree>gaara's defense,are you joking?,what stops gaara from ding what danzo did?,his sand is more versatile than danzo's version of moukton,he can simply do what he did,or out a wall to intercept the arrow and reduce it's momentum,making it ineffective. Tell me why gaara can't redirect the trajectory,and saying danzo wood is a better defence than gaara is laughable a best.
    5)right,sasuke's current level is simply his ms level with no eye bleeding and less stess,gaara can attack him from below,his power was mistook for shukaku,he took 5 susanoo swords and got up despite his sand defence not being much and he wasnt looking.he can make more sand with no effort.sasuke's current level isnt a big deal,sasuke himself is the one who can't hurt gaara. Gaara mid-high diff. Solid mid if in a dessert.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by genii96 View Post
    just because gyuki is the strongest modse dosent mean it his only choice,v2 can fire a tbb,sasuke's susanoo wont stop a tbb from v2 at all,he knows abt the weakness of going full gyuki,so why bother when you can do a tbb in v2?. Killer b high diff.

    1) onoki made gaara's sand lighter,gaara used sand under madara to pull him out,gaara dosent need any help. If there is sand under sasuke's feet,gaara can raise it up to attack him,as seen when he grabbed 3 kages at once,so either way,gaara still can easily attack him from below.
    2)after he used rinnegan,he pulled out a meteor from the sky,gaara and onoki survived,he then followed up with moukton,naruto destroyed it,other kages came,and then the fight started. Besides madara would not fall for the same thing twice in a row. Onoki stayed on the raikage because he needed to first lighten,then harden him,he made him light to make him faster,then before the punch,made him heavy,he couldnt do those 2 at once,so he had to stay on him,he wasnt touching gaara's gourd and the grond when he told gaara that he made his sand lighter,if you are correct,which u arent,then he would have been touching bpth gaara's gourd and the ground when he told gaara,he also made muu heavy,when he let go,the jutsu didnt stop,same witj zetsu clones and susanoo clones. So is sasuke is standing on sand,gaara can't use that sand to attack him?
    3)gaara uses sand only,sasuke dosent only use chidori,sasuke improved in other aspects while gaara uses all his improvements on sand alone,so naturally it would top the one sasuke made on chidori,and like i said,gaara took kimi's bone spear which was way above SRA sasuke's chidori,so that chidori weakness thing stopped at the SRA arc,and sasuke is not getting close enough to even use chidori. Gaara excels at mid-long range fighting,if flying puts more distance between him and his opponent,then how is that a disadvantage?gaara can asily control the sand around sasuke,and below him,so distance dosent matter,he is going to attack from everywhere,even behind sasuke,3rd eye allows him to easily fight from far way distances.so it is a massive advantage.
    4) danzo's incomplete single tree>gaara's defense,are you joking?,what stops gaara from ding what danzo did?,his sand is more versatile than danzo's version of moukton,he can simply do what he did,or out a wall to intercept the arrow and reduce it's momentum,making it ineffective. Tell me why gaara can't redirect the trajectory,and saying danzo wood is a better defence than gaara is laughable a best.
    5)right,sasuke's current level is simply his ms level with no eye bleeding and less stess,gaara can attack him from below,his power was mistook for shukaku,he took 5 susanoo swords and got up despite his sand defence not being much and he wasnt looking.he can make more sand with no effort.sasuke's current level isnt a big deal,sasuke himself is the one who can't hurt gaara. Gaara mid-high diff. Solid mid if in a dessert.
    Why hasn't he then? He faced kisame and chose to do a lariat instead. If it wasn't for those two extra people and the fact that he was trying to stay hidden from the raikage, he would have gone full gyukki mode. Killer bee rathers that mode than a mode that harms his body.

    1) and 2) upon further inspection it is clear the effects are gone from gaara and the raikage. This means that the jutsu last for a certain time and then vanishes since raikage is back to his usual speed and gaara's sand is back to normal. Also, because he was able to move his sand faster he was able to embed its chakra into the sand faster. Gaara attacks with chakra embeded sand a.k.a his sand is not normal sand. He can not use sand without putting his chakra into it first.

    3) If gaara is to far his sand will be quite noticeable and more easily dodgeable because of the distance. Also, you seem to forget sasuke has the sharigan which can predict where the sand will strike.
    Like I mention gaara just can't use sand, he needs to first embed his chakra into it and if he is in the sky he can't do that. He will need to stay on the ground for a period if he was going to use your strategy.

    4) Danzo doesn't have much mastery over the skill: Truth That doesn't mean its weak, wood element in general> gaara's sand. Wood element is a kekai genkai. Let me breakdown in even simpler terms, its the combination of two elements working in together. Wood element is stronger than sand. People need to stop assuming because A did this that B can do it also. Somethings only one character could do but in this case only 4 characters can do what danzo did and all those four happen to be wood element user.

    5) Everything gaara can do can be blocked by sasuke's susanoo. Its like sasuke said gaara's defense is great but his is greater. This is especially true with his latest addition susanoo. Also everyone of sasuke moves but a few are piercing. Gaara's sand defense is weak against piercing attacks. A move like chidori will pierce his sand but a move like rasengan will be blocked by gaara's sand. The fundamentals of both a different which is the reason for this. Sasuke's piercing attacks are focusing all their might on one point and this causes them to pierce whatever they touch. While naruto rasengan is meant to spread out the damage to cause high external damage to the opponent. This is the fundamental basis on both of their move types. Sasuke chidori always piercing and infact was able to somewhat seep into raikage's skin even though both was of the same element. Also the fact that he doesn't move adds to sasuke favor. Even in the sky vs deidara, gaara never moved. So I think it is quite clear that gaara is a stationary character that feels the need to not move. This will make him a easy target once sasuke gets around his sand attacks.
     
         

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    Why hasn't he then? He faced kisame and chose to do a lariat instead. If it wasn't for those two extra people and the fact that he was trying to stay hidden from the raikage, he would have gone full gyukki mode. Killer bee rathers that mode than a mode that harms his body.

    1) and 2) upon further inspection it is clear the effects are gone from gaara and the raikage. This means that the jutsu last for a certain time and then vanishes since raikage is back to his usual speed and gaara's sand is back to normal. Also, because he was able to move his sand faster he was able to embed its chakra into the sand faster. Gaara attacks with chakra embeded sand a.k.a his sand is not normal sand. He can not use sand without putting his chakra into it first.

    3) If gaara is to far his sand will be quite noticeable and more easily dodgeable because of the distance. Also, you seem to forget sasuke has the sharigan which can predict where the sand will strike.
    Like I mention gaara just can't use sand, he needs to first embed his chakra into it and if he is in the sky he can't do that. He will need to stay on the ground for a period if he was going to use your strategy.

    4) Danzo doesn't have much mastery over the skill: Truth That doesn't mean its weak, wood element in general> gaara's sand. Wood element is a kekai genkai. Let me breakdown in even simpler terms, its the combination of two elements working in together. Wood element is stronger than sand. People need to stop assuming because A did this that B can do it also. Somethings only one character could do but in this case only 4 characters can do what danzo did and all those four happen to be wood element user.

    5) Everything gaara can do can be blocked by sasuke's susanoo. Its like sasuke said gaara's defense is great but his is greater. This is especially true with his latest addition susanoo. Also everyone of sasuke moves but a few are piercing. Gaara's sand defense is weak against piercing attacks. A move like chidori will pierce his sand but a move like rasengan will be blocked by gaara's sand. The fundamentals of both a different which is the reason for this. Sasuke's piercing attacks are focusing all their might on one point and this causes them to pierce whatever they touch. While naruto rasengan is meant to spread out the damage to cause high external damage to the opponent. This is the fundamental basis on both of their move types. Sasuke chidori always piercing and infact was able to somewhat seep into raikage's skin even though both was of the same element. Also the fact that he doesn't move adds to sasuke favor. Even in the sky vs deidara, gaara never moved. So I think it is quite clear that gaara is a stationary character that feels the need to not move. This will make him a easy target once sasuke gets around his sand attacks.
    why hasn't he what?,done a tbb?,pls i hope you aren't thinking he can't?. 4tk naruto did it,killer b does it much easier than any other jin,he can easily do it at v2. You further proved my point,going full hachibi would have been harmful to him due to the circumstances,so he chose v2,same with sasuke,going full bijuu means big target for ama,so he stays at v2
    1) and 2) onoki made raikage heavy again when he hit madara and never made him light again,so yes his speed is normal. Gaara on the hand has even shown that he still has the lightened sand,he was able to form sand platforms for 3 kages and fly out of a forest in an instant,that forest was made instantly,and he still did all that and flew with all of them at the same time. He was able to save mei from her 5 susanoos before the sword hit her,while his defence then stopped the efforts of 5 susanoos,he sealed madara's clone very quickly as well,so actually the effects are still on gaara,and will be until onok undo's the jutsu,if one uses eartg release to move a roc,the rock wont move back unless he makes it,no matter how much time has passed.
    3) where did you get the idea that gaara can't use any sand?,he can use any sand at all,he just keeps the gourd sand as it is less stressful to use and is faster and stronger,he can use any sand at all. Sharingan sees the front,gaara attacls from all sides,and sand is not sentintal,it has no musces to predict,gaara can attack him from above,then below,he wont see anything,it worked on kimi and the 3 kages,with muu choosing to run the other way.
    5) so 1 tree>sand defence? Laughable. Sasuke claimed his defence was greater,i'd like to see him take c3. Mei broke through after he said it,danzo as well etc. Gaara was hit by a meteor and got back up,madara in his superior susanoo to sasuke was wiped out,sasuke's claim was the kage summit. Naruto believed gaara had the best defence in the war arc. Sasuke's piercing attacks are short ranged with sharp spear being 5m,gaara can attack him fro over a 100m. Susanoo has a hole underneath,gaara can take advantage of that to ill him. Arrows are redirected.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by genii96;8963839[B
    ]why hasn't he what?,done a tbb?,pls i hope you aren't thinking he can't?. 4tk naruto did it,killer b does it much easier than any other jin,he can easily do it at v2. You further proved my point,going full hachibi would have been harmful to him due to the circumstances,so he chose v2,same with sasuke,going full bijuu means big target for ama,so he stays at v2[/B]
    1) and 2) onoki made raikage heavy again when he hit madara and never made him light again,so yes his speed is normal. Gaara on the hand has even shown that he still has the lightened sand,he was able to form sand platforms for 3 kages and fly out of a forest in an instant,that forest was made instantly,and he still did all that and flew with all of them at the same time. He was able to save mei from her 5 susanoos before the sword hit her,while his defence then stopped the efforts of 5 susanoos,he sealed madara's clone very quickly as well,so actually the effects are still on gaara,and will be until onok undo's the jutsu,if one uses eartg release to move a roc,the rock wont move back unless he makes it,no matter how much time has passed.
    3) where did you get the idea that gaara can't use any sand?,he can use any sand at all,he just keeps the gourd sand as it is less stressful to use and is faster and stronger,he can use any sand at all. Sharingan sees the front,gaara attacls from all sides,and sand is not sentintal,it has no musces to predict,gaara can attack him from above,then below,he wont see anything,it worked on kimi and the 3 kages,with muu choosing to run the other way.
    5) so 1 tree>sand defence? Laughable. Sasuke claimed his defence was greater,i'd like to see him take c3. Mei broke through after he said it,danzo as well etc. Gaara was hit by a meteor and got back up,madara in his superior susanoo to sasuke was wiped out,sasuke's claim was the kage summit. Naruto believed gaara had the best defence in the war arc. Sasuke's piercing attacks are short ranged with sharp spear being 5m,gaara can attack him fro over a 100m. Susanoo has a hole underneath,gaara can take advantage of that to ill him. Arrows are redirected.
    V2 mode proves to be a very harmful mode to the body and a clear minded naruto has never gone v2 mode ever. Naruto couldn't handle all that chakra so he lost control over his body and went raging ninetails. Gyukki mode however does not harm the body because they merely switch. This means instead of bee fighting gyukki is fighting. Kisame found it praiseworthy that bee was able to keep control over all that chakra while he was in v2 mode. Unlike naruto, killer bee is smart and has been regarded as the perfect jin. so their must be a reason why he didn't use a tbb while in v2 form ever. Their must also be a reason why he only uses tbb while in gyukki form. Either he can't use it in v2 or the dangers of consuming even more chakra in that form could be deadily and at worst fatal. Also like I said gyukki form is stronger than v2 mode. Either way, he only uses tbb while in gyukki form. I got proof too.

    Here


    And here

    all gyukki form tbb

    and this is him using lariat instead of tbb while in v2


    manga proof > than me, you, and the base.

    conclusions, killer bee will only use tbb while in gyukki form and that marks his end. He will be forced to fight in v2, but he doesn't know that sasuke can still hit him with enton kagesuchi(manipulations of the black flame). Sasuke is an opponent that killer bee can't beat now.

    1) and 2) You just said the most ludicrous thing I have ever read. So you are basically saying that onoki thought that their chances of beating madara were so high, that he would make undue the effects on the raikage and keep the effects on gaara. :rofl: OMG think before write. They needed every advantage that they could get on madara and gaara could already do stuff that you mentioned before he even meet onoki. Don't you remember deidara vs gaara. If you don't let me remind you what he did in a mere seconds.

    Think before you type please. What gaara did is nothing special to him, he was capable of doing acts like that before ever meeting onoki. Unless you are saying that onoki meet gaara and lighten his sand before deidara attacked.


    Also the didn't form instanteousanely it formed relatively fast. Their are only a few moves in naruto that are instant, and that move is not one of them.

    3) Most of the information you gave was accurate and as such thank you for the knowledge. But, don't confused sasuke with kimmimaro and kages whose bodies were controlled. Sasuke sharingan grants him the ability to see high movement, this is different from predicting attack patterns. Sasuke knows ho strong gaara is and he knows that he doesn't have the nickname gaara of the desert for nothing. He also knows how strong gaara's defense is. But, sasuke is very agile and quick and in a worst case scenario; he has susanoo or chidori nagashi to fall back on depending on the situation.

    4) So I guess your saying gaara's sand > wood element. This is laughable, wood element > gaara's sand any day of the narutoverse week.
    and the thing about mei

    She managed to melt the ribcage, I guess that means Mei's greater than susanoo(Sarcasm)


    Look carefully what happened after he up the levels of susanoo. If you look carefully, you can see susanoo is perfectly fine. Oh and sasuke wasn't mistaken his defense is greater than gaara's. Susanoo is the strongest defense in the series and yes PS is susanoo but just another level.
    True chidori happens to be close up but the other two happen to be a short-mid range technique. Yes He can attack from over 100m but if he does his techniques happen to be slow. He covers this weakness by making a AoE attack, that sasuke can easily dodge by using a summoning jutsu and then closing the distance between him and gaara.

    Let me get this straight you are saying because gaara survived a meteor and madara let himself get hit by the meteor gaara defense is greater than susanoo. Were do you think the 2 meteor were headed? Let me tell you the answer to this question. The technique madara was using a gravitional technique on a much greater scale than nagato. The two meteors were headed straight toward madara. He took the full impact of both meteors since it was headed towards him in the first place. Heck by your logic onoki own body is greater than susanoo defense since he was alive. :lmao: LOL to the extreme.
    P.s. he wasn't even using full susanoo.

    Let me remind you just because madara is stronger than sasuke doesn't mean his susanoo is superior to sasuke's susanoo. His Ps is another story but it is quite debatable if madara's susanoo is greater than sasuke. Let me remind you that sasuke has been continually praised by others for his eye prowess.

    Onoki lightens gaara sand


    That gives gaara the abiltity to do this


    Without onoki doing what he did, gaara couldn't do what he did. Read what gaara says when onoki lightens his sand. He knew with it being that light he could pull madara from his sand.
    Manga pages > than what you think.
     
         
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    @ blackbisbon.
    V2 is harmful to normal jins,not perfect jins,killer b can use v2 easily without stress.naruto is not a perfect jin,so he couldnt hold it.bee and hachibi dont switch when he goes full gyuki,he transforms into it himself and controls,if they want to switch by then,then they will.bee could control the chakra bcos he's a perfect jin,which means he has full control over his bijuu,and that includes all forms.naruto used a tbb in 4tk,bee can use it in 8tk. Full hachibi being stronger than v2 is irrelevant,v2 is still enough,buu used tbb thrice,one to repel suigetsu,to break thru the barrier and to destroy CT. Bee was alread owning the fight in v1,he went full bijuu bcos he felt like it,the barrier is meant to hold a jinchuuri,he had to go all out and make naruto break it by pushing it through,against CT the same thing. Sasuke's susanoo isnt as strong as CT or tha barrier,a v2 tbb is enough,or a v2 chakra blast.
    1) and 2),if he made A lighter,and kept him,the raikage would be faster,but much weaker,and onoki cudnt stay on his back throughout,so why leave him light where he would be basically useless to attack,while gaara's sand lightened made it faster,and gaara integrated gold dust into his sand,added with his own chakra flowing though the gourd sand and the ability to ad more sand and minerals inside,his sand being lightened isnt a problem,and is very helpful,while keeping A light would make him fast,but his hit power would be reduced,making him useless. So yes,it was better to do that.we saw onoki make A heavy again,but we never saw him make gaara's sand heavy again did we?.
    3)sharingan can see high movement from the fron,or where it looks,not 3 places at once. Sasuke knows nothing abt gaara since the CE and the kage summit,his knowledge on gaara's defence is simply that he can block enton,and his knowledge on his sand moves is that he can use sand coffin,sand burial,sand sphere and sand drizzle. He has never seen sand tsunami,sand hail,or any other tricks gaara came up with,he dosen even know gaara flies. Where as gaaraknows abt amaterasu,susanoo,sharingan genjutsu,sasuke's chidori,sasuke's speed,ems. Gaara stopped v2 A easily,what is chidori nagashi going to do?
    4)gaara's defence>1 freaking tree,which is all was used to redrect the arrows. And while moukton is more powerful,it's not much of a defence,it was never stated to be a defence,simple rasengans blew the tree up,gaara blocked joki boy's explosions,and c3.saske dosent have perfect susanoo,which is the onl susanoo above gaara's sand,chidori senbon is useless,chidori spear is blocked easily. The meteor werent heading towards madara,they were heading towards the division,and nagato managed to pull naruto and a rock at the same time and attempted to smashe them together,so madara simply pulled the meteor and sent it towards the division,gaara and onoki were also underneath the meteor,dont know how onoki survived,he could fly,he must have tried to get out of there but got caught,or another one of kishi's troll sequences,since even shinobi's that ran away were killed. Sasuke can dodge if it comes from the front,not if gaara decides to attack from above and below at the same time.
     
         

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    @ blackbisbon.
    V2 is harmful to normal jins,not perfect jins,killer b can use v2 easily without stress.naruto is not a perfect jin,so he couldnt hold it.bee and hachibi dont switch when he goes full gyuki,he transforms into it himself and controls,if they want to switch by then,then they will.bee could control the chakra bcos he's a perfect jin,which means he has full control over his bijuu,and that includes all forms.naruto used a tbb in 4tk,bee can use it in 8tk. Full hachibi being stronger than v2 is irrelevant,v2 is still enough,buu used tbb thrice,one to repel suigetsu,to break thru the barrier and to destroy CT. Bee was alread owning the fight in v1,he went full bijuu bcos he felt like it,the barrier is meant to hold a jinchuuri,he had to go all out and make naruto break it by pushing it through,against CT the same thing. Sasuke's susanoo isnt as strong as CT or tha barrier,a v2 tbb is enough,or a v2 chakra blast. Naruto did a tbb in 4tk,and he wasnt a perfect jin,bee, a perfect jin with complete control over his bijuu can't at 8tk?:rofl:. Laughable:imao:


    1) and 2),if he made A lighter,and kept him,the raikage would be faster,but much weaker,and onoki cudnt stay on his back throughout,so why leave him light where he would be basically useless to attack,while gaara's sand lightened made it faster,and gaara integrated gold dust into his sand,added with his own chakra flowing though the gourd sand and the ability to ad more sand and minerals inside,his sand being lightened isnt a problem,and is very helpful,while keeping A light would make him fast,but his hit power would be reduced,making him useless. So yes,it was better to do that.we saw onoki make A heavy again,but we never saw him make gaara's sand heavy again did we?.
    3)sharingan can see high movement from the fron,or where it looks,not 3 places at once. Sasuke knows nothing abt gaara since the CE and the kage summit,his knowledge on gaara's defence is simply that he can block enton,and his knowledge on his sand moves is that he can use sand coffin,sand burial,sand sphere and sand drizzle. He has never seen sand tsunami,sand hail,or any other tricks gaara came up with,he dosen even know gaara flies. Where as gaaraknows abt amaterasu,susanoo,sharingan genjutsu,sasuke's chidori,sasuke's speed,ems. Gaara stopped v2 A easily,what is chidori nagashi going to do?
    4)gaara's defence>1 freaking tree,which is all was used to redrect the arrows. And while moukton is more powerful,it's not much of a defence,it was never stated to be a defence,simple rasengans blew the tree up,gaara blocked joki boy's explosions,and c3.saske dosent have perfect susanoo,which is the onl susanoo above gaara's sand,chidori senbon is useless,chidori spear is blocked easily. The meteor werent heading towards madara,they were heading towards the division,and nagato managed to pull naruto and a rock at the same time and attempted to smashe them together,so madara simply pulled the meteor and sent it towards the division,gaara and onoki were also underneath the meteor,dont know how onoki survived,he could fly,he must have tried to get out of there but got caught,or another one of kishi's troll sequences,since even shinobi's that ran away were killed. Sasuke can dodge if it comes from the front,not if gaara decides to attack from above and below at the same time. Gaara didnt use the sand onoki lightened,he used the sand under madara,did onoki lighten that one too:rofl:. If there is sand already under sasuke,and susanoo dosent protect the under,why can't gaara attack sasuke with that sand?,whats stopping him from using that sand to attack?. If sasuke uses his hawk,then gaara uses sand hail to easily down it,that hawk is featless.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by genii96 View Post
    @ blackbisbon.
    V2 is harmful to normal jins,not perfect jins,killer b can use v2 easily without stress.naruto is not a perfect jin,so he couldnt hold it.bee and hachibi dont switch when he goes full gyuki,he transforms into it himself and controls,if they want to switch by then,then they will.bee could control the chakra bcos he's a perfect jin,which means he has full control over his bijuu,and that includes all forms.naruto used a tbb in 4tk,bee can use it in 8tk. Full hachibi being stronger than v2 is irrelevant,v2 is still enough,buu used tbb thrice,one to repel suigetsu,to break thru the barrier and to destroy CT. Bee was alread owning the fight in v1,he went full bijuu bcos he felt like it,the barrier is meant to hold a jinchuuri,he had to go all out and make naruto break it by pushing it through,against CT the same thing. Sasuke's susanoo isnt as strong as CT or tha barrier,a v2 tbb is enough,or a v2 chakra blast.
    1) and 2),if he made A lighter,and kept him,the raikage would be faster,but much weaker,and onoki cudnt stay on his back throughout,so why leave him light where he would be basically useless to attack,while gaara's sand lightened made it faster,and gaara integrated gold dust into his sand,added with his own chakra flowing though the gourd sand and the ability to ad more sand and minerals inside,his sand being lightened isnt a problem,and is very helpful,while keeping A light would make him fast,but his hit power would be reduced,making him useless. So yes,it was better to do that.we saw onoki make A heavy again,but we never saw him make gaara's sand heavy again did we?.
    3)sharingan can see high movement from the fron,or where it looks,not 3 places at once. Sasuke knows nothing abt gaara since the CE and the kage summit,his knowledge on gaara's defence is simply that he can block enton,and his knowledge on his sand moves is that he can use sand coffin,sand burial,sand sphere and sand drizzle. He has never seen sand tsunami,sand hail,or any other tricks gaara came up with,he dosen even know gaara flies. Where as gaaraknows abt amaterasu,susanoo,sharingan genjutsu,sasuke's chidori,sasuke's speed,ems. Gaara stopped v2 A easily,what is chidori nagashi going to do?
    4)gaara's defence>1 freaking tree,which is all was used to redrect the arrows. And while moukton is more powerful,it's not much of a defence,it was never stated to be a defence,simple rasengans blew the tree up,gaara blocked joki boy's explosions,and c3.saske dosent have perfect susanoo,which is the onl susanoo above gaara's sand,chidori senbon is useless,chidori spear is blocked easily. The meteor werent heading towards madara,they were heading towards the division,and nagato managed to pull naruto and a rock at the same time and attempted to smashe them together,so madara simply pulled the meteor and sent it towards the division,gaara and onoki were also underneath the meteor,dont know how onoki survived,he could fly,he must have tried to get out of there but got caught,or another one of kishi's troll sequences,since even shinobi's that ran away were killed. Sasuke can dodge if it comes from the front,not if gaara decides to attack from above and below at the same time.
    Bro I understand where you are coming from with the whole v2 tbb. But, you should try to understand that v2 is harmful to any jin. Its not wise to be condense all that chakra but bee can do it and stay sane because he is a perfect jin. I think you are kinda getting the point of gyukki mode being stronger than v2. Killer bee though hasn't shown us him using tbb in v2 and like I said why use lariat instead of tbb vs kisame. Logical assumption is that either he can't perform the move or condensing even more chakra could be dangerous for his body. But, just for you lets asume he can do a tbb in v2, you even said that it would be weaker than full gyukki mode tbb. To try to destroy susanoo he would need to use it at full power since underestimating someone move could end him. Anyway killer bee favors gyukki mode over v2. That was a last option because of various circumstances that he was encountering when he used v2 vs kisame. Sasuke will require him to go all out. This includes gyukki mode and that spells the defeat of bee. Saying he won't need that power is highly underestimating sasuke and bee already said he was the strongest guy he fought prior to leaving his village. Now he sasuke is far stonger than he used to be.

    1) and 2) Dude really raikage going faster makes him weaker. What manga are you reading cause it obvisiously not naruto. Raikage going faster improved his power. More speed equals more power, he even stated that he needed to go faster to generate more power.



    I provided proof that gaara was doing fast acts like that before he meet onoki. He needed onoki to lighten his sand to pull madara out from susanoo. The effects wore off soon after. For once use manga proof to justify what you say instead of just making conjectures.

    3) True gaara knows a lot more about sasuke moves than he knows about gaara's. But he only knows the basic of what sasuke power is. He doesn't know about his current susanoo, chidori variants, summoning, he doesn't know he has the ems, and doesn't know about what he can do with amaterastu now. Sasuke knows the basic of what gaara abilities but he doesn't know about the completely. They both happen to be on the same grounds in not knowing to much about their opponent. Chidori nagashi is quite different from a kick. It doesn't do a whole lot of damage because it is meant for defense. It would hold back gaara's light attacks. Don't confuse this with it blocking a sand tsunami. It wont be able to stop something of that magnitude. I did say depending on the situation which means depending on the attack. For example, if gaara manages to grab sasuke foot with his sand, he could use nagashi to destroy the sand.

    4) If madara is pulling that rock from space, where do you think it is headed? Let me tell you how madara's version that is ten times bigger than what nagato was doing works. Madara used a gravational pull strong enough grab a meteor from space and pull it to their world. That makes him the center and that means the meteors destination is madara. Madara pulled that meteorite towards their present location and thats were it went, straight to madara straight to the source that pulled it to earth. Madara was the magnet and the meteor was the metal.
    Gaara sure attacked madara like that. While in susanoo a uchiha is practically invincible unless you can damage susanoo to where the caster receives major damage. The solution to all sasuke's problems that the sand could possible cause him is susanoo. Without onoki, gaara can't pull him out of susanoo. Kishi didn't write onoki making gaara's sand lighter to just add pages. It was to give him the ability to pull madara from susanoo.
    That fact that you said simple rasengan destroying the wood element, means you don't really pay attention to the manga. They were far from a regular rasengan and they had more than enough power to destroy gaara's sand defense. Odama rasengan is added with taju kage bunshin no jutsu is how he destroyed the up and coming forest. Gaara's sand is the second strongest defense in the manga. We all know who the writer is. Kishimoto speaks through his characters and the character he spoke through was sasuke. Susanoo in general is greater than gaara's defense. The manga states this as sasuke says that susanoo is greater than gaara's defense. Sasuke even states this after seeing gaara block his enton which is a feat that sasuke praised gaara for.
     
         

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    Still those who disagree still haven't proven anything.
     
         

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    Still those who disagree still haven't proven anything.
     
         

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    @blackbison,killer b can mainrain his v2 form for a very long time,and it causes minimal damage unlke an imperfect jin. Full hachibi is indeed more powerful than v2,but v2 is still enough to win this fight and full hachibi is suicide and bee knows it. He did a lariat because it was his signature move and ther was no reason to do a tbb,as there was no strong obstacle of hurting kisame except for his sword with which he handled by going v2,and his friends were also there,against sasuke,he needs to breach a giant susanoo to hurt him,a tbb will happen.yes,sasuke was one of the strongest he had ever fought in his village,but he handled hm quite easily.

    1) onoki dosent just make things faster,he makes them LIGHTER,which means the weight of that object is drastically reduced,making the object far weaker,the island he carried,how heavy do you think it was?,if he was able to make it light enough to carry,then that means it's overall mass was redced. He made the raikage lighter,making him faster,but with less weight,therby meaning that if his punch connected while he was lightened it would do little damage,which is why onoki made him heavy before he punched madara,using the speed he got from being lightened and the strength from being heavy to again to hit madara.

    Gaara attacking sasuke on his susanoo is an easy concept,what would making sand lighter do that would that same sand if heavy wont do when the sand is ALREADY underneath a person. Onoki lightened gaara's GOURD sand,gaara used the sand BENEATH madara to pull him out,what stops gaara from using sand beneath sasuke to attack him?

    3) wrong,gaara knows abt ems-level susanoo as he faced madara,a being with an even stronger susanoo and faced 5 ems-level susanoos at once,he knows abt ama and tsuki as well as sharingan genjutsu,he knows sasuke has chidori as well as katon,his knowledge on sasuke far surpasses sasuke's knowledge on hin,sasuke know only abt 4 jutsus of gaara,he dosent even know abt gaara's ability to suddenly attack from below,and gaara caught several kages at once using that,he dosent know what a sand tsunami is and dosent even now that gaara can use normal sand aside from his gourd one,chidori variants are unimportant as they wont hurt gaara,and sasuke needs to get within 5m to use them,chidori nagashi is defencive,but raiton armour also is a defencive tool as A used it to deflecy sasuke's chidori katana,they both work by generated raiton chakra,and the one of A in v2 is bijuu level as said by karin,much higher concentration that a chidori nagashi,and gaara would not use simple atacks on sasuke anyway.

    4) gravitational powers work for pulling and pushing,madara sent it towards the battlefield,gaara and onoki were underneath the meteor when they tried to stop it,he didnt stay away like the others,when the second one hit,he was within the area of explosion and barely had a scratch. Oodama rasengan destroying gaara's sand?:rofl:,gaara stopped joki's explosions which are above an oodama rasengan he blocked c3 which is an entire village buster. Your right,kishs writes the manga,ane while sasuke claimed susanoo was the best at the kage summit,naruto,kishi's main character claimed it was gaara's,so yes,kishi also thinks gaara's defence is above sasuke's susanoo,only madara's susanoo(ps) is above gaara's sand, gaara now even integrated gold dust into the sand,which made his sand even better. Gaara wins.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    You should consider Jiraiya and Orochimaru, if you aren't already. Not saying they WOULD, but they COULD. Both have massive experience advantages, airborne toxins that can get through Susano'o, and ways of attacking from underneath it. Jiraiya has several techniques that can pierce it directly, Oro probably does too.
     
         

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