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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by genii96 View Post
    dont know who u are referin to,try to indicate next time,danzo would have finished sasuke twice if not for pnj,first time was when he hot sasuk in his funjitsu,and pnj made him blabber abt itachi,secnd time was when he had shushi's eye back,he could have oneshotted sasuke,or used it for izanagi,but didnt choose either one.

    Feats and intelligent assumptions are what is used here,besides sasuke was deidara's complete weakness,raiton sharingan.
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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

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    Bee's strongest form is his full out tail beast form a.k.a Gyukki. Bee already said that sasuke was the strongest opponent he had faced at that time. Now sasuke is way stronger than he was at that present time. His v2 state power is nowhere near his full state form. This is the reality of bee and if you don't believe me then answer this question. Why use full beast form rather than uses v2 state against the other tailbeast, while you can clearly see they have not turned full beast mode?

    @ 1st bold: Clearly read the manga please. Onoki made gaara's sand much lighter than it was normally, this allowed him the ability to removed madara from his susanoo.
    @ 2nd bold: Madara was fighting that wholefight for a while with his legless susanoo and gaara never tried to pull him out again. Why? Because onoki was supporting raikagefor most of the fight.
    @ 3rd bold: Gaara's sand blocks rather effictively against physical brutal attacks like raikages kick. Sasuke attacks pierces and sasuke already pierced gaara's sand once already. Now they're older but the same would happen. Gaara only flies if he either needs to catch his opponent in the skies or needs to avoid a area effect move. He just does not fly for the pure pleasure of flying. In all your cases one of these conditions hadbeen meet.
    @ 4th bold: First, I never stated he would use kirin at all so lets make that clear. @ 2nd,sasuke hasn't been put in a situation where he has to fly. 3rd, You need to understand that gaara does not always react to a move, his sand(a.k.a karura's will a.k.a his mother's will) protects gaara. This is his defense and the sand will try to protect him its and thats when gaara dies because the arrow has a 100% pierce rate since it has pierced every object it hits.
    @ 5th bold: His dad died before he was able to see the shukaku extracted from his son. Of course, he would his son is shukuka's power to control all that sand.
    The answer to your question is easy,bee went full hachibi to clear the forest around them,because it was hindering him and naruto,not because of his opponents.

    V2 is the power of hachibi,but in human form,it moulds the chakra of the bijuu into human form,which allows the jin to use the bijuu powers like a tbb,without needing to fully turn,so killer b has no problem staying in v2 to face sasuke. Killer b used 3tk to face sasuke,now he can go full v2. V2 is basically used to give the jin an advantage without goung full bijuu,so as to avoid hurting comrads,or situations like this with sasuke.

    About gaara vs sasuke
    1) you read the manga,gaara used the sand under madara to pull him out,onoki lightened his gourd sand and the sand around him,gaara used the one beneath madara. It's common sense,if there is sand under sasuke's feet,and his susanoo is vulnerable from below,then gaara can attack with the sand,does sasuke need itachi for kirin simply bcos he used it the 1st time?
    2) madara was pulled out,used his rinnegan,then pulled a meteor,gaara and onoki survived,but were weakened,tsunade came and healed them,5 kages faced madara,and his susanoo grew legs,gaara never pulled him out bcos his susanoo had legs,even if you are right,onoki never undid his jutsu on gaara,his sand is still lightened,so he can do it to sasuke.
    3)kimimaro's bone drill was way stronger than sra sasuke's chidori,it not only tried to pierce,but drill through and got shattered,sasuke pierced a small dome where gaara didnt even attack him at all while he was moving,not the case here,gaara's sand obviously improved more than sasuke's chidori from feats alone.gaara flies if he sees the need to,flight gives him a massive advantage over sasuke,why wont he take it if he wants to?
    4)the sand protects him,he can also manipulate it to increase it's defensive qualities,gaara can simply redirect the arrow like danzo did anyway,or make a sand wall to slow the momentum of the arrow like the pillar,and since susanoo is taller,sasuke will am down,the arrow will not reach gaara if a wall of sand is placed a distance in front of him,it might pierce the sand wall,but will loose it's momentum and force dramatically,a stone pillar was able to do this to it,gaara can as well,since his sand is much stronger than a pillar,the arrows would be much less penetrative and the arrows would hit the ground or be stopped. Redirecting it however like danzo did,can be done by his auto defence,or gaara himself,and it wont take much energy,not that it matters since he far outweighs sasuke in that aspect.
    5) his dad faced raw shukaku itself several times,so he knows what he is talking about.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    I disagree with the Gaara, A, Bee, the 3rd Raikage, and Mū. Gaara depends on whether he is outside, where he can grind large amounts of sand, and even then, v5 Susano'o with an Amaterasu blade is going to do some hurting fast. A, on the other hand, literally gave an arm and a leg to beat Sasuke with a v1 Susano'o. Similarly, Sasuke pushed Bee fairly far without even having v1 Susano'o. With v5 Susano'o, Bee and A are going down to that Amaterasu Susano'o in my opinion. Similarly, I believe Amaterasu would trump the 3rd Raikage's defense. Mū is a bit more debatable, but I'm fairly sure the Mangekyō would see through his invisibility, and from that point Sasuke can bring him down with Susano'o or Amaterasu.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by genii96 View Post
    The answer to your question is easy,bee went full hachibi to clear the forest around them,because it was hindering him and naruto,not because of his opponents.

    V2 is the power of hachibi,but in human form,it moulds the chakra of the bijuu into human form,which allows the jin to use the bijuu powers like a tbb,without needing to fully turn,so killer b has no problem staying in v2 to face sasuke. Killer b used 3tk to face sasuke,now he can go full v2. V2 is basically used to give the jin an advantage without goung full bijuu,so as to avoid hurting comrads,or situations like this with sasuke.

    About gaara vs sasuke
    1) you read the manga,gaara used the sand under madara to pull him out,onoki lightened his gourd sand and the sand around him,gaara used the one beneath madara. It's common sense,if there is sand under sasuke's feet,and his susanoo is vulnerable from below,then gaara can attack with the sand,does sasuke need itachi for kirin simply bcos he used it the 1st time?
    2) madara was pulled out,used his rinnegan,then pulled a meteor,gaara and onoki survived,but were weakened,tsunade came and healed them,5 kages faced madara,and his susanoo grew legs,gaara never pulled him out bcos his susanoo had legs,even if you are right,onoki never undid his jutsu on gaara,his sand is still lightened,so he can do it to sasuke.
    3)kimimaro's bone drill was way stronger than sra sasuke's chidori,it not only tried to pierce,but drill through and got shattered,sasuke pierced a small dome where gaara didnt even attack him at all while he was moving,not the case here,gaara's sand obviously improved more than sasuke's chidori from feats alone.gaara flies if he sees the need to,flight gives him a massive advantage over sasuke,why wont he take it if he wants to?
    4)the sand protects him,he can also manipulate it to increase it's defensive qualities,gaara can simply redirect the arrow like danzo did anyway,or make a sand wall to slow the momentum of the arrow like the pillar,and since susanoo is taller,sasuke will am down,the arrow will not reach gaara if a wall of sand is placed a distance in front of him,it might pierce the sand wall,but will loose it's momentum and force dramatically,a stone pillar was able to do this to it,gaara can as well,since his sand is much stronger than a pillar,the arrows would be much less penetrative and the arrows would hit the ground or be stopped. Redirecting it however like danzo did,can be done by his auto defence,or gaara himself,and it wont take much energy,not that it matters since he far outweighs sasuke in that aspect.
    5) his dad faced raw shukaku itself several times,so he knows what he is talking about.
    Dude going gyukki is the strongest mode he can muster. He will need something stronger than v2 to try and destroy susanoo. He will switch with gyukki to try and destroy susanoo with a tailbeast ball. Before he gets the chance to finish his move amaterastu or enton to the face. The battle ends. Sasuke mid-hard difficulty

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    Tsuchikage makes gaara sand much lighter, which allowed him to pull madara from susanoo. Manga proof. Lets stick with what the manga shows and not use wishful thinking.

    2) He susanoo gains feet after he did he kage mokouton justsu and put 5 of him on each kage. Onoki can only make something or someone lighter by touching them/it and it only lasts while he is in contact with that person. Proof look at gaara and raikage.

    3) You act like sasuke just went on standstill and only gaara improved. Let me break it down for you. Sasuke has 4 types of chidori. He has regular chidori, long sword chidori, chidori needels, and full body defense chidori. I believe his chidori improved alot since his last squabble with gaara. Like I said look at all gaara's fights he only fought two opponents in the air deidara and mu. Why? Because they were flying. Flying puts gaara at a disadvantage since the farther the distance between him and his opponent, the easier his move are to dodge. Why would he put himself at a disadvantage vs someone.

    4) The main problem I see now is that people get the wrong idea when a certain character does something. Just because danzo managed to changed the projectory of the arrow does not mean every character with a defense can redirect his arrow. Wood element > gaara's sand

    5) I reread the pages and he did think it was shukaku. This still doesn't change the fact that he would lose to sasuke. Nothing gaara has can stop or kill him at his current level. Susanoo protects sasuke from anything gaara can do.

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBison View Post
    Dude going gyukki is the strongest mode he can muster. He will need something stronger than v2 to try and destroy susanoo. He will switch with gyukki to try and destroy susanoo with a tailbeast ball. Before he gets the chance to finish his move amaterastu or enton to the face. The battle ends. Sasuke mid-hard difficulty

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    Tsuchikage makes gaara sand much lighter, which allowed him to pull madara from susanoo. Manga proof. Lets stick with what the manga shows and not use wishful thinking.

    2) He susanoo gains feet after he did he kage mokouton justsu and put 5 of him on each kage. Onoki can only make something or someone lighter by touching them/it and it only lasts while he is in contact with that person. Proof look at gaara and raikage.

    3) You act like sasuke just went on standstill and only gaara improved. Let me break it down for you. Sasuke has 4 types of chidori. He has regular chidori, long sword chidori, chidori needels, and full body defense chidori. I believe his chidori improved alot since his last squabble with gaara. Like I said look at all gaara's fights he only fought two opponents in the air deidara and mu. Why? Because they were flying. Flying puts gaara at a disadvantage since the farther the distance between him and his opponent, the easier his move are to dodge. Why would he put himself at a disadvantage vs someone.

    4) The main problem I see now is that people get the wrong idea when a certain character does something. Just because danzo managed to changed the projectory of the arrow does not mean every character with a defense can redirect his arrow. Wood element > gaara's sand

    5) I reread the pages and he did think it was shukaku. This still doesn't change the fact that he would lose to sasuke. Nothing gaara has can stop or kill him at his current level. Susanoo protects sasuke from anything gaara can do.

    Sasuke mid-high difficulty
    just because gyuki is the strongest modse dosent mean it his only choice,v2 can fire a tbb,sasuke's susanoo wont stop a tbb from v2 at all,he knows abt the weakness of going full gyuki,so why bother when you can do a tbb in v2?. Killer b high diff.

    1) onoki made gaara's sand lighter,gaara used sand under madara to pull him out,gaara dosent need any help. If there is sand under sasuke's feet,gaara can raise it up to attack him,as seen when he grabbed 3 kages at once,so either way,gaara still can easily attack him from below.
    2)after he used rinnegan,he pulled out a meteor from the sky,gaara and onoki survived,he then followed up with moukton,naruto destroyed it,other kages came,and then the fight started. Besides madara would not fall for the same thing twice in a row. Onoki stayed on the raikage because he needed to first lighten,then harden him,he made him light to make him faster,then before the punch,made him heavy,he couldnt do those 2 at once,so he had to stay on him,he wasnt touching gaara's gourd and the grond when he told gaara that he made his sand lighter,if you are correct,which u arent,then he would have been touching bpth gaara's gourd and the ground when he told gaara,he also made muu heavy,when he let go,the jutsu didnt stop,same witj zetsu clones and susanoo clones. So is sasuke is standing on sand,gaara can't use that sand to attack him?
    3)gaara uses sand only,sasuke dosent only use chidori,sasuke improved in other aspects while gaara uses all his improvements on sand alone,so naturally it would top the one sasuke made on chidori,and like i said,gaara took kimi's bone spear which was way above SRA sasuke's chidori,so that chidori weakness thing stopped at the SRA arc,and sasuke is not getting close enough to even use chidori. Gaara excels at mid-long range fighting,if flying puts more distance between him and his opponent,then how is that a disadvantage?gaara can asily control the sand around sasuke,and below him,so distance dosent matter,he is going to attack from everywhere,even behind sasuke,3rd eye allows him to easily fight from far way distances.so it is a massive advantage.
    4) danzo's incomplete single tree>gaara's defense,are you joking?,what stops gaara from ding what danzo did?,his sand is more versatile than danzo's version of moukton,he can simply do what he did,or out a wall to intercept the arrow and reduce it's momentum,making it ineffective. Tell me why gaara can't redirect the trajectory,and saying danzo wood is a better defence than gaara is laughable a best.
    5)right,sasuke's current level is simply his ms level with no eye bleeding and less stess,gaara can attack him from below,his power was mistook for shukaku,he took 5 susanoo swords and got up despite his sand defence not being much and he wasnt looking.he can make more sand with no effort.sasuke's current level isnt a big deal,sasuke himself is the one who can't hurt gaara. Gaara mid-high diff. Solid mid if in a dessert.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by genii96 View Post
    just because gyuki is the strongest modse dosent mean it his only choice,v2 can fire a tbb,sasuke's susanoo wont stop a tbb from v2 at all,he knows abt the weakness of going full gyuki,so why bother when you can do a tbb in v2?. Killer b high diff.

    1) onoki made gaara's sand lighter,gaara used sand under madara to pull him out,gaara dosent need any help. If there is sand under sasuke's feet,gaara can raise it up to attack him,as seen when he grabbed 3 kages at once,so either way,gaara still can easily attack him from below.
    2)after he used rinnegan,he pulled out a meteor from the sky,gaara and onoki survived,he then followed up with moukton,naruto destroyed it,other kages came,and then the fight started. Besides madara would not fall for the same thing twice in a row. Onoki stayed on the raikage because he needed to first lighten,then harden him,he made him light to make him faster,then before the punch,made him heavy,he couldnt do those 2 at once,so he had to stay on him,he wasnt touching gaara's gourd and the grond when he told gaara that he made his sand lighter,if you are correct,which u arent,then he would have been touching bpth gaara's gourd and the ground when he told gaara,he also made muu heavy,when he let go,the jutsu didnt stop,same witj zetsu clones and susanoo clones. So is sasuke is standing on sand,gaara can't use that sand to attack him?
    3)gaara uses sand only,sasuke dosent only use chidori,sasuke improved in other aspects while gaara uses all his improvements on sand alone,so naturally it would top the one sasuke made on chidori,and like i said,gaara took kimi's bone spear which was way above SRA sasuke's chidori,so that chidori weakness thing stopped at the SRA arc,and sasuke is not getting close enough to even use chidori. Gaara excels at mid-long range fighting,if flying puts more distance between him and his opponent,then how is that a disadvantage?gaara can asily control the sand around sasuke,and below him,so distance dosent matter,he is going to attack from everywhere,even behind sasuke,3rd eye allows him to easily fight from far way distances.so it is a massive advantage.
    4) danzo's incomplete single tree>gaara's defense,are you joking?,what stops gaara from ding what danzo did?,his sand is more versatile than danzo's version of moukton,he can simply do what he did,or out a wall to intercept the arrow and reduce it's momentum,making it ineffective. Tell me why gaara can't redirect the trajectory,and saying danzo wood is a better defence than gaara is laughable a best.
    5)right,sasuke's current level is simply his ms level with no eye bleeding and less stess,gaara can attack him from below,his power was mistook for shukaku,he took 5 susanoo swords and got up despite his sand defence not being much and he wasnt looking.he can make more sand with no effort.sasuke's current level isnt a big deal,sasuke himself is the one who can't hurt gaara. Gaara mid-high diff. Solid mid if in a dessert.
    Why hasn't he then? He faced kisame and chose to do a lariat instead. If it wasn't for those two extra people and the fact that he was trying to stay hidden from the raikage, he would have gone full gyukki mode. Killer bee rathers that mode than a mode that harms his body.

    1) and 2) upon further inspection it is clear the effects are gone from gaara and the raikage. This means that the jutsu last for a certain time and then vanishes since raikage is back to his usual speed and gaara's sand is back to normal. Also, because he was able to move his sand faster he was able to embed its chakra into the sand faster. Gaara attacks with chakra embeded sand a.k.a his sand is not normal sand. He can not use sand without putting his chakra into it first.

    3) If gaara is to far his sand will be quite noticeable and more easily dodgeable because of the distance. Also, you seem to forget sasuke has the sharigan which can predict where the sand will strike.
    Like I mention gaara just can't use sand, he needs to first embed his chakra into it and if he is in the sky he can't do that. He will need to stay on the ground for a period if he was going to use your strategy.

    4) Danzo doesn't have much mastery over the skill: Truth That doesn't mean its weak, wood element in general> gaara's sand. Wood element is a kekai genkai. Let me breakdown in even simpler terms, its the combination of two elements working in together. Wood element is stronger than sand. People need to stop assuming because A did this that B can do it also. Somethings only one character could do but in this case only 4 characters can do what danzo did and all those four happen to be wood element user.

    5) Everything gaara can do can be blocked by sasuke's susanoo. Its like sasuke said gaara's defense is great but his is greater. This is especially true with his latest addition susanoo. Also everyone of sasuke moves but a few are piercing. Gaara's sand defense is weak against piercing attacks. A move like chidori will pierce his sand but a move like rasengan will be blocked by gaara's sand. The fundamentals of both a different which is the reason for this. Sasuke's piercing attacks are focusing all their might on one point and this causes them to pierce whatever they touch. While naruto rasengan is meant to spread out the damage to cause high external damage to the opponent. This is the fundamental basis on both of their move types. Sasuke chidori always piercing and infact was able to somewhat seep into raikage's skin even though both was of the same element. Also the fact that he doesn't move adds to sasuke favor. Even in the sky vs deidara, gaara never moved. So I think it is quite clear that gaara is a stationary character that feels the need to not move. This will make him a easy target once sasuke gets around his sand attacks.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

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    Why hasn't he then? He faced kisame and chose to do a lariat instead. If it wasn't for those two extra people and the fact that he was trying to stay hidden from the raikage, he would have gone full gyukki mode. Killer bee rathers that mode than a mode that harms his body.

    1) and 2) upon further inspection it is clear the effects are gone from gaara and the raikage. This means that the jutsu last for a certain time and then vanishes since raikage is back to his usual speed and gaara's sand is back to normal. Also, because he was able to move his sand faster he was able to embed its chakra into the sand faster. Gaara attacks with chakra embeded sand a.k.a his sand is not normal sand. He can not use sand without putting his chakra into it first.

    3) If gaara is to far his sand will be quite noticeable and more easily dodgeable because of the distance. Also, you seem to forget sasuke has the sharigan which can predict where the sand will strike.
    Like I mention gaara just can't use sand, he needs to first embed his chakra into it and if he is in the sky he can't do that. He will need to stay on the ground for a period if he was going to use your strategy.

    4) Danzo doesn't have much mastery over the skill: Truth That doesn't mean its weak, wood element in general> gaara's sand. Wood element is a kekai genkai. Let me breakdown in even simpler terms, its the combination of two elements working in together. Wood element is stronger than sand. People need to stop assuming because A did this that B can do it also. Somethings only one character could do but in this case only 4 characters can do what danzo did and all those four happen to be wood element user.

    5) Everything gaara can do can be blocked by sasuke's susanoo. Its like sasuke said gaara's defense is great but his is greater. This is especially true with his latest addition susanoo. Also everyone of sasuke moves but a few are piercing. Gaara's sand defense is weak against piercing attacks. A move like chidori will pierce his sand but a move like rasengan will be blocked by gaara's sand. The fundamentals of both a different which is the reason for this. Sasuke's piercing attacks are focusing all their might on one point and this causes them to pierce whatever they touch. While naruto rasengan is meant to spread out the damage to cause high external damage to the opponent. This is the fundamental basis on both of their move types. Sasuke chidori always piercing and infact was able to somewhat seep into raikage's skin even though both was of the same element. Also the fact that he doesn't move adds to sasuke favor. Even in the sky vs deidara, gaara never moved. So I think it is quite clear that gaara is a stationary character that feels the need to not move. This will make him a easy target once sasuke gets around his sand attacks.
    why hasn't he what?,done a tbb?,pls i hope you aren't thinking he can't?. 4tk naruto did it,killer b does it much easier than any other jin,he can easily do it at v2. You further proved my point,going full hachibi would have been harmful to him due to the circumstances,so he chose v2,same with sasuke,going full bijuu means big target for ama,so he stays at v2
    1) and 2) onoki made raikage heavy again when he hit madara and never made him light again,so yes his speed is normal. Gaara on the hand has even shown that he still has the lightened sand,he was able to form sand platforms for 3 kages and fly out of a forest in an instant,that forest was made instantly,and he still did all that and flew with all of them at the same time. He was able to save mei from her 5 susanoos before the sword hit her,while his defence then stopped the efforts of 5 susanoos,he sealed madara's clone very quickly as well,so actually the effects are still on gaara,and will be until onok undo's the jutsu,if one uses eartg release to move a roc,the rock wont move back unless he makes it,no matter how much time has passed.
    3) where did you get the idea that gaara can't use any sand?,he can use any sand at all,he just keeps the gourd sand as it is less stressful to use and is faster and stronger,he can use any sand at all. Sharingan sees the front,gaara attacls from all sides,and sand is not sentintal,it has no musces to predict,gaara can attack him from above,then below,he wont see anything,it worked on kimi and the 3 kages,with muu choosing to run the other way.
    5) so 1 tree>sand defence? Laughable. Sasuke claimed his defence was greater,i'd like to see him take c3. Mei broke through after he said it,danzo as well etc. Gaara was hit by a meteor and got back up,madara in his superior susanoo to sasuke was wiped out,sasuke's claim was the kage summit. Naruto believed gaara had the best defence in the war arc. Sasuke's piercing attacks are short ranged with sharp spear being 5m,gaara can attack him fro over a 100m. Susanoo has a hole underneath,gaara can take advantage of that to ill him. Arrows are redirected.
     
         

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    Re: All the Ninja in NV that can Solo Current Sasuke Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by genii96;8963839[B
    ]why hasn't he what?,done a tbb?,pls i hope you aren't thinking he can't?. 4tk naruto did it,killer b does it much easier than any other jin,he can easily do it at v2. You further proved my point,going full hachibi would have been harmful to him due to the circumstances,so he chose v2,same with sasuke,going full bijuu means big target for ama,so he stays at v2[/B]
    1) and 2) onoki made raikage heavy again when he hit madara and never made him light again,so yes his speed is normal. Gaara on the hand has even shown that he still has the lightened sand,he was able to form sand platforms for 3 kages and fly out of a forest in an instant,that forest was made instantly,and he still did all that and flew with all of them at the same time. He was able to save mei from her 5 susanoos before the sword hit her,while his defence then stopped the efforts of 5 susanoos,he sealed madara's clone very quickly as well,so actually the effects are still on gaara,and will be until onok undo's the jutsu,if one uses eartg release to move a roc,the rock wont move back unless he makes it,no matter how much time has passed.
    3) where did you get the idea that gaara can't use any sand?,he can use any sand at all,he just keeps the gourd sand as it is less stressful to use and is faster and stronger,he can use any sand at all. Sharingan sees the front,gaara attacls from all sides,and sand is not sentintal,it has no musces to predict,gaara can attack him from above,then below,he wont see anything,it worked on kimi and the 3 kages,with muu choosing to run the other way.
    5) so 1 tree>sand defence? Laughable. Sasuke claimed his defence was greater,i'd like to see him take c3. Mei broke through after he said it,danzo as well etc. Gaara was hit by a meteor and got back up,madara in his superior susanoo to sasuke was wiped out,sasuke's claim was the kage summit. Naruto believed gaara had the best defence in the war arc. Sasuke's piercing attacks are short ranged with sharp spear being 5m,gaara can attack him fro over a 100m. Susanoo has a hole underneath,gaara can take advantage of that to ill him. Arrows are redirected.
    V2 mode proves to be a very harmful mode to the body and a clear minded naruto has never gone v2 mode ever. Naruto couldn't handle all that chakra so he lost control over his body and went raging ninetails. Gyukki mode however does not harm the body because they merely switch. This means instead of bee fighting gyukki is fighting. Kisame found it praiseworthy that bee was able to keep control over all that chakra while he was in v2 mode. Unlike naruto, killer bee is smart and has been regarded as the perfect jin. so their must be a reason why he didn't use a tbb while in v2 form ever. Their must also be a reason why he only uses tbb while in gyukki form. Either he can't use it in v2 or the dangers of consuming even more chakra in that form could be deadily and at worst fatal. Also like I said gyukki form is stronger than v2 mode. Either way, he only uses tbb while in gyukki form. I got proof too.

    Here


    And here

    all gyukki form tbb

    and this is him using lariat instead of tbb while in v2


    manga proof > than me, you, and the base.

    conclusions, killer bee will only use tbb while in gyukki form and that marks his end. He will be forced to fight in v2, but he doesn't know that sasuke can still hit him with enton kagesuchi(manipulations of the black flame). Sasuke is an opponent that killer bee can't beat now.

    1) and 2) You just said the most ludicrous thing I have ever read. So you are basically saying that onoki thought that their chances of beating madara were so high, that he would make undue the effects on the raikage and keep the effects on gaara. :rofl: OMG think before write. They needed every advantage that they could get on madara and gaara could already do stuff that you mentioned before he even meet onoki. Don't you remember deidara vs gaara. If you don't let me remind you what he did in a mere seconds.

    Think before you type please. What gaara did is nothing special to him, he was capable of doing acts like that before ever meeting onoki. Unless you are saying that onoki meet gaara and lighten his sand before deidara attacked.


    Also the didn't form instanteousanely it formed relatively fast. Their are only a few moves in naruto that are instant, and that move is not one of them.

    3) Most of the information you gave was accurate and as such thank you for the knowledge. But, don't confused sasuke with kimmimaro and kages whose bodies were controlled. Sasuke sharingan grants him the ability to see high movement, this is different from predicting attack patterns. Sasuke knows ho strong gaara is and he knows that he doesn't have the nickname gaara of the desert for nothing. He also knows how strong gaara's defense is. But, sasuke is very agile and quick and in a worst case scenario; he has susanoo or chidori nagashi to fall back on depending on the situation.

    4) So I guess your saying gaara's sand > wood element. This is laughable, wood element > gaara's sand any day of the narutoverse week.
    and the thing about mei

    She managed to melt the ribcage, I guess that means Mei's greater than susanoo(Sarcasm)


    Look carefully what happened after he up the levels of susanoo. If you look carefully, you can see susanoo is perfectly fine. Oh and sasuke wasn't mistaken his defense is greater than gaara's. Susanoo is the strongest defense in the series and yes PS is susanoo but just another level.
    True chidori happens to be close up but the other two happen to be a short-mid range technique. Yes He can attack from over 100m but if he does his techniques happen to be slow. He covers this weakness by making a AoE attack, that sasuke can easily dodge by using a summoning jutsu and then closing the distance between him and gaara.

    Let me get this straight you are saying because gaara survived a meteor and madara let himself get hit by the meteor gaara defense is greater than susanoo. Were do you think the 2 meteor were headed? Let me tell you the answer to this question. The technique madara was using a gravitional technique on a much greater scale than nagato. The two meteors were headed straight toward madara. He took the full impact of both meteors since it was headed towards him in the first place. Heck by your logic onoki own body is greater than susanoo defense since he was alive. :lmao: LOL to the extreme.
    P.s. he wasn't even using full susanoo.

    Let me remind you just because madara is stronger than sasuke doesn't mean his susanoo is superior to sasuke's susanoo. His Ps is another story but it is quite debatable if madara's susanoo is greater than sasuke. Let me remind you that sasuke has been continually praised by others for his eye prowess.

    Onoki lightens gaara sand


    That gives gaara the abiltity to do this


    Without onoki doing what he did, gaara couldn't do what he did. Read what gaara says when onoki lightens his sand. He knew with it being that light he could pull madara from his sand.
    Manga pages > than what you think.
     
         
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    @ blackbisbon.
    V2 is harmful to normal jins,not perfect jins,killer b can use v2 easily without stress.naruto is not a perfect jin,so he couldnt hold it.bee and hachibi dont switch when he goes full gyuki,he transforms into it himself and controls,if they want to switch by then,then they will.bee could control the chakra bcos he's a perfect jin,which means he has full control over his bijuu,and that includes all forms.naruto used a tbb in 4tk,bee can use it in 8tk. Full hachibi being stronger than v2 is irrelevant,v2 is still enough,buu used tbb thrice,one to repel suigetsu,to break thru the barrier and to destroy CT. Bee was alread owning the fight in v1,he went full bijuu bcos he felt like it,the barrier is meant to hold a jinchuuri,he had to go all out and make naruto break it by pushing it through,against CT the same thing. Sasuke's susanoo isnt as strong as CT or tha barrier,a v2 tbb is enough,or a v2 chakra blast.
    1) and 2),if he made A lighter,and kept him,the raikage would be faster,but much weaker,and onoki cudnt stay on his back throughout,so why leave him light where he would be basically useless to attack,while gaara's sand lightened made it faster,and gaara integrated gold dust into his sand,added with his own chakra flowing though the gourd sand and the ability to ad more sand and minerals inside,his sand being lightened isnt a problem,and is very helpful,while keeping A light would make him fast,but his hit power would be reduced,making him useless. So yes,it was better to do that.we saw onoki make A heavy again,but we never saw him make gaara's sand heavy again did we?.
    3)sharingan can see high movement from the fron,or where it looks,not 3 places at once. Sasuke knows nothing abt gaara since the CE and the kage summit,his knowledge on gaara's defence is simply that he can block enton,and his knowledge on his sand moves is that he can use sand coffin,sand burial,sand sphere and sand drizzle. He has never seen sand tsunami,sand hail,or any other tricks gaara came up with,he dosen even know gaara flies. Where as gaaraknows abt amaterasu,susanoo,sharingan genjutsu,sasuke's chidori,sasuke's speed,ems. Gaara stopped v2 A easily,what is chidori nagashi going to do?
    4)gaara's defence>1 freaking tree,which is all was used to redrect the arrows. And while moukton is more powerful,it's not much of a defence,it was never stated to be a defence,simple rasengans blew the tree up,gaara blocked joki boy's explosions,and c3.saske dosent have perfect susanoo,which is the onl susanoo above gaara's sand,chidori senbon is useless,chidori spear is blocked easily. The meteor werent heading towards madara,they were heading towards the division,and nagato managed to pull naruto and a rock at the same time and attempted to smashe them together,so madara simply pulled the meteor and sent it towards the division,gaara and onoki were also underneath the meteor,dont know how onoki survived,he could fly,he must have tried to get out of there but got caught,or another one of kishi's troll sequences,since even shinobi's that ran away were killed. Sasuke can dodge if it comes from the front,not if gaara decides to attack from above and below at the same time.
     
         

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    @ blackbisbon.
    V2 is harmful to normal jins,not perfect jins,killer b can use v2 easily without stress.naruto is not a perfect jin,so he couldnt hold it.bee and hachibi dont switch when he goes full gyuki,he transforms into it himself and controls,if they want to switch by then,then they will.bee could control the chakra bcos he's a perfect jin,which means he has full control over his bijuu,and that includes all forms.naruto used a tbb in 4tk,bee can use it in 8tk. Full hachibi being stronger than v2 is irrelevant,v2 is still enough,buu used tbb thrice,one to repel suigetsu,to break thru the barrier and to destroy CT. Bee was alread owning the fight in v1,he went full bijuu bcos he felt like it,the barrier is meant to hold a jinchuuri,he had to go all out and make naruto break it by pushing it through,against CT the same thing. Sasuke's susanoo isnt as strong as CT or tha barrier,a v2 tbb is enough,or a v2 chakra blast. Naruto did a tbb in 4tk,and he wasnt a perfect jin,bee, a perfect jin with complete control over his bijuu can't at 8tk?:rofl:. Laughable:imao:


    1) and 2),if he made A lighter,and kept him,the raikage would be faster,but much weaker,and onoki cudnt stay on his back throughout,so why leave him light where he would be basically useless to attack,while gaara's sand lightened made it faster,and gaara integrated gold dust into his sand,added with his own chakra flowing though the gourd sand and the ability to ad more sand and minerals inside,his sand being lightened isnt a problem,and is very helpful,while keeping A light would make him fast,but his hit power would be reduced,making him useless. So yes,it was better to do that.we saw onoki make A heavy again,but we never saw him make gaara's sand heavy again did we?.
    3)sharingan can see high movement from the fron,or where it looks,not 3 places at once. Sasuke knows nothing abt gaara since the CE and the kage summit,his knowledge on gaara's defence is simply that he can block enton,and his knowledge on his sand moves is that he can use sand coffin,sand burial,sand sphere and sand drizzle. He has never seen sand tsunami,sand hail,or any other tricks gaara came up with,he dosen even know gaara flies. Where as gaaraknows abt amaterasu,susanoo,sharingan genjutsu,sasuke's chidori,sasuke's speed,ems. Gaara stopped v2 A easily,what is chidori nagashi going to do?
    4)gaara's defence>1 freaking tree,which is all was used to redrect the arrows. And while moukton is more powerful,it's not much of a defence,it was never stated to be a defence,simple rasengans blew the tree up,gaara blocked joki boy's explosions,and c3.saske dosent have perfect susanoo,which is the onl susanoo above gaara's sand,chidori senbon is useless,chidori spear is blocked easily. The meteor werent heading towards madara,they were heading towards the division,and nagato managed to pull naruto and a rock at the same time and attempted to smashe them together,so madara simply pulled the meteor and sent it towards the division,gaara and onoki were also underneath the meteor,dont know how onoki survived,he could fly,he must have tried to get out of there but got caught,or another one of kishi's troll sequences,since even shinobi's that ran away were killed. Sasuke can dodge if it comes from the front,not if gaara decides to attack from above and below at the same time. Gaara didnt use the sand onoki lightened,he used the sand under madara,did onoki lighten that one too:rofl:. If there is sand already under sasuke,and susanoo dosent protect the under,why can't gaara attack sasuke with that sand?,whats stopping him from using that sand to attack?. If sasuke uses his hawk,then gaara uses sand hail to easily down it,that hawk is featless.
     
         

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    @ blackbisbon.
    V2 is harmful to normal jins,not perfect jins,killer b can use v2 easily without stress.naruto is not a perfect jin,so he couldnt hold it.bee and hachibi dont switch when he goes full gyuki,he transforms into it himself and controls,if they want to switch by then,then they will.bee could control the chakra bcos he's a perfect jin,which means he has full control over his bijuu,and that includes all forms.naruto used a tbb in 4tk,bee can use it in 8tk. Full hachibi being stronger than v2 is irrelevant,v2 is still enough,buu used tbb thrice,one to repel suigetsu,to break thru the barrier and to destroy CT. Bee was alread owning the fight in v1,he went full bijuu bcos he felt like it,the barrier is meant to hold a jinchuuri,he had to go all out and make naruto break it by pushing it through,against CT the same thing. Sasuke's susanoo isnt as strong as CT or tha barrier,a v2 tbb is enough,or a v2 chakra blast.
    1) and 2),if he made A lighter,and kept him,the raikage would be faster,but much weaker,and onoki cudnt stay on his back throughout,so why leave him light where he would be basically useless to attack,while gaara's sand lightened made it faster,and gaara integrated gold dust into his sand,added with his own chakra flowing though the gourd sand and the ability to ad more sand and minerals inside,his sand being lightened isnt a problem,and is very helpful,while keeping A light would make him fast,but his hit power would be reduced,making him useless. So yes,it was better to do that.we saw onoki make A heavy again,but we never saw him make gaara's sand heavy again did we?.
    3)sharingan can see high movement from the fron,or where it looks,not 3 places at once. Sasuke knows nothing abt gaara since the CE and the kage summit,his knowledge on gaara's defence is simply that he can block enton,and his knowledge on his sand moves is that he can use sand coffin,sand burial,sand sphere and sand drizzle. He has never seen sand tsunami,sand hail,or any other tricks gaara came up with,he dosen even know gaara flies. Where as gaaraknows abt amaterasu,susanoo,sharingan genjutsu,sasuke's chidori,sasuke's speed,ems. Gaara stopped v2 A easily,what is chidori nagashi going to do?
    4)gaara's defence>1 freaking tree,which is all was used to redrect the arrows. And while moukton is more powerful,it's not much of a defence,it was never stated to be a defence,simple rasengans blew the tree up,gaara blocked joki boy's explosions,and c3.saske dosent have perfect susanoo,which is the onl susanoo above gaara's sand,chidori senbon is useless,chidori spear is blocked easily. The meteor werent heading towards madara,they were heading towards the division,and nagato managed to pull naruto and a rock at the same time and attempted to smashe them together,so madara simply pulled the meteor and sent it towards the division,gaara and onoki were also underneath the meteor,dont know how onoki survived,he could fly,he must have tried to get out of there but got caught,or another one of kishi's troll sequences,since even shinobi's that ran away were killed. Sasuke can dodge if it comes from the front,not if gaara decides to attack from above and below at the same time.
    Bro I understand where you are coming from with the whole v2 tbb. But, you should try to understand that v2 is harmful to any jin. Its not wise to be condense all that chakra but bee can do it and stay sane because he is a perfect jin. I think you are kinda getting the point of gyukki mode being stronger than v2. Killer bee though hasn't shown us him using tbb in v2 and like I said why use lariat instead of tbb vs kisame. Logical assumption is that either he can't perform the move or condensing even more chakra could be dangerous for his body. But, just for you lets asume he can do a tbb in v2, you even said that it would be weaker than full gyukki mode tbb. To try to destroy susanoo he would need to use it at full power since underestimating someone move could end him. Anyway killer bee favors gyukki mode over v2. That was a last option because of various circumstances that he was encountering when he used v2 vs kisame. Sasuke will require him to go all out. This includes gyukki mode and that spells the defeat of bee. Saying he won't need that power is highly underestimating sasuke and bee already said he was the strongest guy he fought prior to leaving his village. Now he sasuke is far stonger than he used to be.

    1) and 2) Dude really raikage going faster makes him weaker. What manga are you reading cause it obvisiously not naruto. Raikage going faster improved his power. More speed equals more power, he even stated that he needed to go faster to generate more power.



    I provided proof that gaara was doing fast acts like that before he meet onoki. He needed onoki to lighten his sand to pull madara out from susanoo. The effects wore off soon after. For once use manga proof to justify what you say instead of just making conjectures.

    3) True gaara knows a lot more about sasuke moves than he knows about gaara's. But he only knows the basic of what sasuke power is. He doesn't know about his current susanoo, chidori variants, summoning, he doesn't know he has the ems, and doesn't know about what he can do with amaterastu now. Sasuke knows the basic of what gaara abilities but he doesn't know about the completely. They both happen to be on the same grounds in not knowing to much about their opponent. Chidori nagashi is quite different from a kick. It doesn't do a whole lot of damage because it is meant for defense. It would hold back gaara's light attacks. Don't confuse this with it blocking a sand tsunami. It wont be able to stop something of that magnitude. I did say depending on the situation which means depending on the attack. For example, if gaara manages to grab sasuke foot with his sand, he could use nagashi to destroy the sand.

    4) If madara is pulling that rock from space, where do you think it is headed? Let me tell you how madara's version that is ten times bigger than what nagato was doing works. Madara used a gravational pull strong enough grab a meteor from space and pull it to their world. That makes him the center and that means the meteors destination is madara. Madara pulled that meteorite towards their present location and thats were it went, straight to madara straight to the source that pulled it to earth. Madara was the magnet and the meteor was the metal.
    Gaara sure attacked madara like that. While in susanoo a uchiha is practically invincible unless you can damage susanoo to where the caster receives major damage. The solution to all sasuke's problems that the sand could possible cause him is susanoo. Without onoki, gaara can't pull him out of susanoo. Kishi didn't write onoki making gaara's sand lighter to just add pages. It was to give him the ability to pull madara from susanoo.
    That fact that you said simple rasengan destroying the wood element, means you don't really pay attention to the manga. They were far from a regular rasengan and they had more than enough power to destroy gaara's sand defense. Odama rasengan is added with taju kage bunshin no jutsu is how he destroyed the up and coming forest. Gaara's sand is the second strongest defense in the manga. We all know who the writer is. Kishimoto speaks through his characters and the character he spoke through was sasuke. Susanoo in general is greater than gaara's defense. The manga states this as sasuke says that susanoo is greater than gaara's defense. Sasuke even states this after seeing gaara block his enton which is a feat that sasuke praised gaara for.
     
         

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    Still those who disagree still haven't proven anything.
     
         

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    Still those who disagree still haven't proven anything.
     
         

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    @blackbison,killer b can mainrain his v2 form for a very long time,and it causes minimal damage unlke an imperfect jin. Full hachibi is indeed more powerful than v2,but v2 is still enough to win this fight and full hachibi is suicide and bee knows it. He did a lariat because it was his signature move and ther was no reason to do a tbb,as there was no strong obstacle of hurting kisame except for his sword with which he handled by going v2,and his friends were also there,against sasuke,he needs to breach a giant susanoo to hurt him,a tbb will happen.yes,sasuke was one of the strongest he had ever fought in his village,but he handled hm quite easily.

    1) onoki dosent just make things faster,he makes them LIGHTER,which means the weight of that object is drastically reduced,making the object far weaker,the island he carried,how heavy do you think it was?,if he was able to make it light enough to carry,then that means it's overall mass was redced. He made the raikage lighter,making him faster,but with less weight,therby meaning that if his punch connected while he was lightened it would do little damage,which is why onoki made him heavy before he punched madara,using the speed he got from being lightened and the strength from being heavy to again to hit madara.

    Gaara attacking sasuke on his susanoo is an easy concept,what would making sand lighter do that would that same sand if heavy wont do when the sand is ALREADY underneath a person. Onoki lightened gaara's GOURD sand,gaara used the sand BENEATH madara to pull him out,what stops gaara from using sand beneath sasuke to attack him?

    3) wrong,gaara knows abt ems-level susanoo as he faced madara,a being with an even stronger susanoo and faced 5 ems-level susanoos at once,he knows abt ama and tsuki as well as sharingan genjutsu,he knows sasuke has chidori as well as katon,his knowledge on sasuke far surpasses sasuke's knowledge on hin,sasuke know only abt 4 jutsus of gaara,he dosent even know abt gaara's ability to suddenly attack from below,and gaara caught several kages at once using that,he dosent know what a sand tsunami is and dosent even now that gaara can use normal sand aside from his gourd one,chidori variants are unimportant as they wont hurt gaara,and sasuke needs to get within 5m to use them,chidori nagashi is defencive,but raiton armour also is a defencive tool as A used it to deflecy sasuke's chidori katana,they both work by generated raiton chakra,and the one of A in v2 is bijuu level as said by karin,much higher concentration that a chidori nagashi,and gaara would not use simple atacks on sasuke anyway.

    4) gravitational powers work for pulling and pushing,madara sent it towards the battlefield,gaara and onoki were underneath the meteor when they tried to stop it,he didnt stay away like the others,when the second one hit,he was within the area of explosion and barely had a scratch. Oodama rasengan destroying gaara's sand?:rofl:,gaara stopped joki's explosions which are above an oodama rasengan he blocked c3 which is an entire village buster. Your right,kishs writes the manga,ane while sasuke claimed susanoo was the best at the kage summit,naruto,kishi's main character claimed it was gaara's,so yes,kishi also thinks gaara's defence is above sasuke's susanoo,only madara's susanoo(ps) is above gaara's sand, gaara now even integrated gold dust into the sand,which made his sand even better. Gaara wins.
     
         

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    You should consider Jiraiya and Orochimaru, if you aren't already. Not saying they WOULD, but they COULD. Both have massive experience advantages, airborne toxins that can get through Susano'o, and ways of attacking from underneath it. Jiraiya has several techniques that can pierce it directly, Oro probably does too.
     
         

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    I agree with you, you made a nice list.
     
         

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    Yup
     
         

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    I can see you hate Hiruzen -.-
     
         

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    I can see you hate Hiruzen -.-
    how so?
     
         

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    I wana ask a quick question,sasuke's enton,does it actually cover the entire final susanoo or parts of it,or is used only on ribcage version
     
         

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