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    True Nature of Sharingan...

    Hello everyone.
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    I searched on this forum, but I didnt find any theory/threads that runs on the line I am about to introduce. But if such theory was created, then kindly delete the thread, if not enjoy and leave valuable comments.


    As it can be seen from last few Mangas, we can say that Sharingan is getting actively involved in Series...So I am trying to bring out an interesting fact about Sharingan, that I think many of you might have not noticed.
    Well to begin with something about Sharingan...
    What is Sharingan
    Select few members of the Uchiha clan possess the ability to activate the bloodline Sharingan eye. This doujutsu (eye skill) gives one the ability to read Genjutsu, Taijutsu and Ninjutsu and then defeat it. As such, the clan member can view a technique being performed and see the tricks and movements required to be able to complete it. However the clan member can not copy techniques which are unique to another bloodline. It also gives one the ability to cast jutsu techniques only possible by possessing the eye.


    Origin of Sharingan:-Hinduism

    The name Shiva, in one interpretation, is also said to have derived from the Dravidian word “Siva” meaning “to be red”. It is the equivalent of Rudra, “the red” RigVeda (Encyclopedia of Indian Tribes By Shyam Singh Shashi, p. 190)

    Shiva as we know him today shares many features with the Vedic god Rudra[39] and both Shiva and Rudra are viewed as the same personality in a number of Hindu traditions. Rudra, the god of the roaring storm, is usually portrayed in accordance with the element he represents as a fierce, destructive deity.

    Rudra and Agni (the god of fire) have a close relationship. The identification between Agni and Rudra in the Vedic literature was an important factor in the process of Rudra's gradual development into the later character as Rudra-Shiva.[52] The identification of Agni with Rudra is explicitly noted in the Nirukta, an important early text on etymology, which says "Agni is called Rudra also".[53] The interconnections between the two deities are complex, and according to Stella Kramrisch:

    The fire myth of Rudra-Śiva plays on the whole gamut of fire, valuing all its potentialities and phases, from conflagration to illumination.

    In the Śatarudrīa, some epithets of Rudra such as Sasipajara ("Of golden red hue as of flame") and Tivaṣīmati ("Flaming bright") suggest a fusing of the two deities.[55] In medieval sculpture both Agni and the form of Shiva known as Bhairava have flaming hair as a special feature (sasuke's flame-like hair)

    Shiva formed the third eye (Sh, MS, EMS?) to restore order and fire emerged from his third eye to re-create light. The fierce light from his third eye is so powerful and destructive that henceforth he only opens it to destroy all that is unconscious, dark, and dualistic, in this dancing universe (sounds like Amaterasu)

    Shiva is often shown garlanded with a snake and has a crescent moon on his forehead (any association with how Sasuke remembered the moon on THAT night?)

    Thanks to http://www.narutobase.net/forums/naruto-manga/15024-theory-origin-3-eyes.html by cash.


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    O.K. thats it for background of Sharingan. Now starts my theory...
    Sharingan was the first Kekkei-Genkai introduced in Manga/Anime...I believe Uchihas strength does not lie in Sharingan but the affinity they have for doing Space/Time Manipulation...
    Space-time manipulation is the ability to alter the space-time continuum, enabling:

    * Time manipulation (slowing down, reversing, or stopping time).
    * Time travel (moving through time or "folding time").
    * Teleportation (moving instantaneously through space or "folding space")


    I believe their eyes are actually a mere tool granted along with their special blood/chakra, this tool enhances their ability of doing any kind of jutsu. I will explain my point properly...
    What Sharingan does.:-

    Heightened senses and accuracy of eyesight: This one never made a ton of sense explained as it was in the manga. They can see and perceive better? I personally think that it isn't that they are seeing better, but that they can in fact internally slow time. This explains more, any ninja can recognize hand seals, and hang seals are the tools used to form chakra for release, which then creates the attack. The Sharingan is said to allow the user to see how the attack is being performed, but I think that anyone can see how an attack is being performed, they simply need to see the handseals, this is how they learn in the academy! No the Uchiha is perceiving an enemy, but in slow motion. They can see specific seals, there for they can copy the seals the enemy is using and there for learn them. Under this, them slowing time eternally to be able to take in and process more information better explains the "heightened senses" portion of the Sharingan eye itself.

    Diffrence between Sharingan and other doujutsus.

    The Sharingan eye having different variations: Why is it that the Sharingan is the only eye kg to have different forms. There is only one kind of Buyugkan and there is only one Rinnengan, so why are there 5 different Sharingan eyes? One, two, and three Tamoe base eye, MS, and now EMS. I think that their tool is evolving with the real blood abilities use. With Buyugkan and Rinnengan, the user has their specific set abilities, but I think that the Sharingan, not actually being the special ability but one of the granted tools can evolve.


    MS/EMS abilities.
    Tsukuyomi
    a genjutsu yes, but different than other genjutsus. Genjutsus usually occur in real time, while the user and the victim are in the genjutsu, time passes in the jutsu as it does to on-lookers. Not Tsukiyomi though, its an instant, a one second technique that drags victim and user into a 3 day technique. This isn't a usual genjutsu, it seems to be more time/space based, user and victim are transported off into a different realm where time passes differently.
    Amaterasu
    The black flame which burns everything it touches. Definitely not the usual katon. It doesn't act like a normal katon but as something different. Lets also mention that it is "created" at the point where the eye sees, it isn't shot from the eye, it just appears. Sounds a lot like a summon to me, like the flames are being pulled in from some place else. And we all know that summoning techniques are time/space jutsus.
    Kamui
    By focusing his Mangekyo Sharingan on a particular point, Kakashi can force that point to collapse in on itself, ultimately sending everything in the vicinity to another time-space. Kamui costs a large amount of chakra to perform, especially in Kakashi's case, as his body has not completely adjusted to the Sharingan. Kakashi can only manage to use this technique up to three times in a given day, even when starting at full strength. When first seen, Kakashi's aim was imperfect, with it taking two attempts to hit Deidara with the technique. By the time of Pain's attack on Konoha, however, his aim had improved, being able to focus more accurately on fast-moving objects. The chakra used by this technique is proportional to the mass of the target.

    Now starts techniques shown by EMS...
    This is where the theory picks up steam, because this is where Madara has shown a couple of techniques that go beyond just the eye.

    Body phasing:
    This is where things get off the eye track. If Madara truly mastered his blood abilities of controlling time/space, it explains body phasing better. Unlike the Uchiha techniques up to this point where they all originate from the eye, he now does not need the eyes to body phase. When Naruto hits him from behind with a Rasengan, he wasn't looking at Naruto, yet he still reacted and phased himself to allow Naruto to pass through harmlessly. He isn't looking at the point of his body that he wants to phase, he simply just phases it.
    Immortality
    This can be explained in 2 different ways.
    1: Time travel, I slightly roll my eyes at this, but it is possible that he may have found a way to summon himself instead of place to place, but from point in time to point in time. This would explain his "secrecy" seeing as it wouldn't be as if he existed in the time frame of the past 80 years. All we know is he disappears after his fight with the First, he reappears again to Itachi when he slaughters the Uchiha, he reappears again to bring the 9 tails down on Konoha, and then gone, until we see him again as Tobi. It wouldn't make him immortal, we would just be dealing with the same old xx aged Madara that the first dealt with.

    2: I believe this more, he took the Uchihas ability to slow time internally, and made it physical. Its as simple as that, he found a way to slow down physically aging. And his secrecy could be explained by him being "in training" grasping the true meaning of his blood.

    Kakashi: this part will strengthen Kakashi more as a genius ninja. He was given Obito's eye. And within his initial use of the eye, he could feel the eye required a special chakra type to run it. The eye had a "chakra memory", much like how a muscle memory works. He could sense this and adjusted himself to allow use of the eye. I don't think its his body rejecting the eye that requires so much chakra for him to use it, but that he doesn't have a natural affinity for space/time manipulation and he has to use it as an outsider in that term. I just don't think Kakashi has figured it out how he uses they eye, he is just going off of his natural instinct to do it. I think he has an idea though, that it simply isn't the eye, and that its the chakra that runs the eye that is the real key. He has evolved the eye, twice, from 2 tamoe to 3 and of course onto his specific MS.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------Thats it...
    So from all the facts I have shown, I dare to say Uchihas Kekkei-Genkai is not eye based but lies in their affinity for Space/Time Jutsus, and eyes just work as a tool...
    Yes there are holes, and yes I wrote this very rough draftish. Questions, comments, and attacks are all welcome, as long as they aren't personal

    The more questions and comments I have the better I can form my opinion and better word things to create a better, stronger overall theory.

    Something interesting...


    As shown in figure above...
    luk at itachis eye, now luk this:-
    :-Byakugan...
    Luks Similar. No idea wat that means...This is going to be topic for my next theory...
     
         
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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    One of the best the theories I've read on this forum.
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shisui Uchiha View Post
    One of the best the theories I've read on this forum.
    Quoted for truth.

    This is the first time since I've been around here, that I've seen a theory crafted from more than speculation. You make realistic links between the abilities of the Uchiha's bloodline limit, and their connection to Space-Time manipulation.

    One could view the "normal" Sharingan, as a way of "seeing the future" because of a sort of small rift caused.
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Good but nope.
    "So from all the facts I have shown, I dare to say Uchihas Kekkei-Genkai is not eye based but lies in their affinity for Space/Time Jutsus, and eyes just work as a tool..."
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Quote Originally Posted by Devlin View Post


    Dude you suck -_-' unless this thread was made by peacful it can't be good T.T
    ok, the was weird
    good theory, best theory about Sharingan so fart.
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Let's continue without flaming other members, shall we?

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Quote Originally Posted by zumorikato View Post
    Hi SSj4 not to hijack your thread, but If you dont mind, can we also include some of the Byuukugan. Im curious regarding that eye tech

    As far as the Naruto Lore revolves, the Sharingan is a derivative of the Byuukgan, and I ask my self why doesnt the Byuukugan evolve aswell.

    Also in the past as far as I can remember the clans were all separated and fought each other. If that is true, and the part where Hinatas dad talked to Neji about the Huugya clan being one of the first/special clans to form part of the Senju group, that later formed Konoha, where does the Sharingan evolution fall in this story?
    It is not a fact that Sharingan evolved from Byakugan...
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Quote Originally Posted by zumorikato View Post
    Ok, so the Sharingan is a blood line limit that have always been their like the Byakugan.

    That then pawns a few theories that I have read about the ending of Naruto.
    You know i always "pawn" some theories...:D

    And yes it is not a fact. Kakashi said " Some say that Sharingan evolved from Byakugan" so it is not a fact.
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Here:-
    Naruto 78 page 13 | One Manga
    Kakashi said that Sharingan was derived from Byakugan. There is not much known about exact relation between two eyes. There are some theories around.
    Here is the one which is most reliable...
    The Dark History of Uchiha: The Bloodline of Tengu <SPOILERS WILL GET YOU BANNED> - Naruto Forums.
    I was trying add some Byakugan as well as Rinnegan in theory, but could not do it, It was going out of the point of theory...
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    awesome theory i loved to read it !!
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Quote Originally Posted by SSJ4Naruto View Post
    Here:-
    Naruto 78 page 13 | One Manga
    Kakashi said that Sharingan was derived from Byakugan. There is not much known about exact relation between two eyes. There are some theories around.
    Here is the one which is most reliable...
    The Dark History of Uchiha: The Bloodline of Tengu <SPOILERS WILL GET YOU BANNED> - Naruto Forums.
    I was trying add some Byakugan as well as Rinnegan in theory, but could not do it, It was going out of the point of theory...
    "They say" You call this fact? lol
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Nicely done...And the images you have put at last, raises some interesting questions...W8ing for your next theory...
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Best theory from the most I have read...
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    gr8 work...
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    "They say" You call this fact? lol
    Did I call it a fact. I just gave a page where it is said that Byakugan evolved from Sharingan. By the way can u take at images I have puted at last in above theory...
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Quote Originally Posted by SSJ4Naruto View Post
    Did I call it a fact. I just gave a page where it is said that Byakugan evolved from Sharingan. By the way can u take at images I have puted at last in above theory...
    Why posting then common knowledge when i have already adressed it that Kakashi said "some people say".
    Quote Originally Posted by zumorikato View Post
    Owned!!!!!!

    You totally closed the convo with is single sentience! ; )

    BTW would you do a review on the Byukagan next and the rinnigan there after, pwweeeeezzzz
    :confused: Try again...
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    please try not to spam or flame other members.
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Why everyone keeps fighting over Byakugan and Sharingan...
    It is true that what kakashi said can not be taken as fact, but other than that we dont have any thing on Sharingan and from the images SSJ4Naruto put at last, it seems Byakugan and Sharingan has some relation...
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    True, but you've got to look back at the founding of the ninja world. When the Uchiha and Senju clans were dominant, and hired by other people to fight. It doesn't even mention the Hyuuga clan, even though they supposedly joined the Senju's early on.
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kisuke Kakashi View Post
    True, but you've got to look back at the founding of the ninja world. When the Uchiha and Senju clans were dominant, and hired by other people to fight. It doesn't even mention the Hyuuga clan, even though they supposedly joined the Senju's early on.
    U R right....There was no name of Senjus. This can be attributed to mindsets of these clans.
    From manga it can be seen that Uchihas are/were always thursty for more and more power in form of money or anything and always try to aquire it, where Senjus who were supposedly were only one strong enough to fight Uchihas, but for that they needed some power which was given by Hyuugas, it can be seen that Only Huuga clan in entire manga is hailed as Noble clan, so that means they were not much attracted towards battle going on around them.
    This could be the reason why their tool i.e., Byakugan does not evolved. I think that evry doujutsu is nothing but a mere tool which enhances the abilities of user...
     
         
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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Quote Originally Posted by zumorikato View Post
    Brilliantly put!

    It makes sense, that all their jitsu's have some form of time/space continuum raping going on. Susanoo can be seen as warping in from another dimension ect ect.
    If this is the case, I think the only person to fight Madara on equal grounds are Sasuke. Thats probably how the manga will play out, as I dont see how Naruto with all his abilities be able to compete against a person that bends time to the same pace as Madara.

    One thing that bothers me is what might Danzou pull out of his trick hat, and I would probably guess he have obtained the MS trough some means, what his abilities are? I dont know to what extend a non Uchiha user can push the limits, like Kakashi.


    too right my friend!! it is an excellent thread...

    SSJ4Naruto Im completely with you about the time/space manipulation... you have sold it to me! I really like the part about the chakra type being a key of unlocking the levels of the Sharingan... So if Sasuke has "affinity" over Time and Space would he be able to put a genjutsu on Danzo?


    the evolution from Byakugan to Sharingan must of occurred generations before the battles between Uchiha and Senju... would be a good story to tell...


    Cheers for another awesome thread brother!!:D:D:D:D






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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Quote Originally Posted by platinum69 View Post
    too right my friend!! it is an excellent thread...

    SSJ4Naruto Im completely with you about the time/space manipulation... you have sold it to me! I really like the part about the chakra type being a key of unlocking the levels of the Sharingan... So if Sasuke has "affinity" over Time and Space would he be able to put a genjutsu on Danzo?


    the evolution from Byakugan to Sharingan must of occurred generations before the battles between Uchiha and Senju... would be a good story to tell...


    Cheers for another awesome thread brother!!:D:D:D:D






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    thnx a lot bro...
    Regarding that point i have embolded from your post, can be a something to think upon... But yes I think Sasuke or Madara can put a genjutsu on danzo...
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Quote Originally Posted by zumorikato View Post
    Exactly, and thats why im raising that Q.

    Where where the famous Hyuuga clan when the battle between Senju and Uchi took place? If they were incorporated long before into Senju, what happened to them in those ugly battle? If not, then when did they pop into the Konoha formation? ; )
    read post #27....
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Hey thanks for the awesome read....i cant wait for your next theory..
     
         

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    Re: True Nature of Sharingan...

    Nice.
     
         

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