Re: Kakashi Hype

**Superior** · 11-09-2012, 05:39 PM

There were arguments on this thread made by myself and Exaar that I consider to be very valid. Why don't you take the time to read through your entire thread...? You would notice what we have stated.

**killakader1** · 11-09-2012, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by blazekev90

exactly! He is perfect for defending against attacks and helping in anaylzing a situation, this is the guards role. He doesnt have it to fully be considered Kage himself.

Kakashi is Kage level, just let it go. Look at who he's been fighting this entire time. He may not be the strongest kage but he is up there. Holding his own in an all out battle with madara and tobi. And overall he's pretty dope. High level taijutsu, Extremely high level genjutsu, extremely intelligent, and over a thousand ninjutsu, what more do you want?! He has all the qualities you need to be a kage. It just doesn't look like much when you compare hi to all these super Op characters

**killakader1** · 11-09-2012, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Superior

@Kingpin. You're entire argument is that despite Kakashi having the power to be kage(Which YOU yourself have stated), and he obviously has the strategic knowledge, and The Leadership qualities, he isn't suited to be a kage because he has been saved by other shinobi? You say he isn't kage level because he can't win in a 1v1 against "top bosses"? Dude, you're ridiculous. Just stop it. Gaara was saved by Naruto and Chiyo. Tsunade was saved by Naruto in part I AND Part II, yet they both hold the title of Kage. A was saved by Bee against Minato years ago, but he holds position as Kage. In this manga, everyone has been saved by one person or the other. Just about any victory won wasn't won alone; whether it was Kakashi's fight or someone else. Kakashi has the power to be kage, which you haven't denied. No one can say he doesn't have the knowledge, as he is a very experienced shinobi, and he is smarter than most of the current Kage.

The only reason I can think of that you deny Kakashi is Kage material, is that you just don't like the character. If that is the case, then you're not even worth talking to.

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**AnbuWhite** · 11-09-2012, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by pervysage69

The one thing people always forget about Kakashi and his fights is one of the reasons he always suffers is because he is having to cover lesser ninja that are about to be wiped out. In every fight he has been in up till this last one he was the strongest and had to cover for someone else. If he was ever in a fight and did not have to worry about someone else being killed and could just concentrate on the battle people would have a very different opinion of him.

Thank you. why do people not get that. one on one the man can kill almost everyone including some of the kages

**Odd One** · 11-09-2012, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by LolaxXx

Mokuton was his Kekki Genkai
The abilities whiched he used, his auto healing, and strength plus character is what made him legendary

Ooohh...so he can control tailed beats with healing and strength. That is cool.

**tristan** · 11-10-2012, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by blazekev90

You can't compare the two. Wood release has many advantages, thus he build the village with it and Hashirama has accomplished a lot with it as well. On the other hand, Kamui has been fancy to cool to see used but has done nothing, but remove Deidara's arm and save his ass from dying.

plot no jutsu - kishi just doesn't put kamui on offensive whereas it even more effective thn raikiri...

**Slug Princess Tsunade** · 11-10-2012, 01:27 AM

The problem is that the Kamui is to OP. He is very strong, he can beat some of the Kages: Old Hiruzen, 4th Kazekage, 5th Mizukage, 5th Hokage ( but this is debetable)

**shelke** · 11-10-2012, 01:35 AM

Sasuke stabbed by danzo

Sasuke getting healed by karin

So even without Ka, sasuke might of died of his wounds.

Danzo's Eye started working Here

Yet he chose to Grab karin instead of instantly using Ka.
Read what Tobi Says: "He can't decide to use it as a Genjutsu (KA), or Throw it away like izanagi. ALso Danzo states "i should use shisui's genjutsu on Madara".

Aswell as stalling, he gave sasuke a little speach while he was holding Karin, he could of easily used KA if he really wanted to.

What? There is no indication of that happening, so that point is groundless. He was injured, yes. But near death? Not even close.

Look, this is what actually happened - all the fight points -

Danzo was already dying, he just didn't want to go down alone. That statement was made when things were different. Sasuke used Sword of Kusanagi on him to never give him a chance. Also, it was an Uchiha eye, what difference would it make on Sasuke or Tobi for that matter?

**metallica9565** · 11-10-2012, 03:04 AM

Yes, powerful! No, kage level! I'm sorry but take away his Kamui and I say he's no stronger than Maito Gai

**betienne** · 11-10-2012, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by blazekev90

Ok, I', getting quite confused with all the Kakashi hype, with him going against top tier shinobi and his ranking be compared to the title of "KAGE." Last time I checked Kakashi has defeated no one of any signifance, countering simple jutsu means nothing at this point. In all his fights i have yet to be impressed, they are entertaining however (vs. Hidan). Despite this what has he done to be full Kage level, who can he beat w/o question that puts him at this level?

I have noted that he for sure has skill, with analyzing a situation, countering specific jutus, etc but fails to pull out a win. Therefore, I'm not hating on his character, hell I use to be a fan but I'm not seeing all this hype behind him of late.

For me I see Kakashi as Jonin Level, which in itself is still very impressive but the ranking itself is being underrated. There is no such thing as low Kage, that's NB talk, you either have it or you dont.

Can he defeat anyone in top 10? 15? (depending on ones ranking)

Again, this isn't me hating but rather trying to understand this hype because I dont see how its emerged.

You are dumb How isn't Kakashi Kage level if the leaf village was going to make him Hokage in Tsunade was in a coma state.

**bball89** · 11-10-2012, 08:48 AM

You guys are idiots. Of course he is jonin level if he fights w/o the sharingan or has a low mastery of it. I'll give it to him that he got spanked by both pain, and that other akatski but over the past few chapters he has been gaining mastery of the sharingan. He already does things Obito can't do, and he can do the same thing obito does. He can teleport, he can suck in or push things out with his eye. He pushed Naruto in/out of the dimension, pulled himself out/teleported and can even teleport things from a distance something that Obito can't do. I'll give the fact that Obito has more compatibility/less chakra drain due to Uchiha blood, and the fact that he can absorb/push out more with his eyes but that is only when he physically touches something. The sharingan itself with abilities unknown until Kakashi gains mastery of it puts him in a different level. Quit criticizing him from back when he fought the mist guy because the whole chapter/plot changed.

**Exaar** · 11-10-2012, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by shelke

What? There is no indication of that happening, so that point is groundless. He was injured, yes. But near death? Not even close.

Look, this is what actually happened - all the fight points -

Danzo was already dying, he just didn't want to go down alone. That statement was made when things were different. Sasuke used Sword of Kusanagi on him to never give him a chance. Also, it was an Uchiha eye, what difference would it make on Sasuke or Tobi for that matter?

I've already shown you the scan where obito States Danzo's Eye is ready, and the scan where danzo said (to himself), that he didn't want to use the genjutsu on Sasuke but save it for "Madara".
Danzo has a big time Gap between uncovering his Eye to getting stabbed through karin, Easily enough time to cast KA.

Sasuke did noot attack befor he could use it, Since he never really planned on using it on sasuke because of Obito being there.

As i said, he gave sasuke a little speach befor sasuke stabbed with chidori spear, he could of used it if he did not have "Madara" to fight afterwards.

IF Obito wasn't there watching over the fight, Danzo would of KA'ed sasuke, Fact.

**garas56** · 11-10-2012, 11:50 AM

Kakashi is Kage lvl for sure and even much more powerful stop spaming that he wuld be much more veaker if he dont have Obitos eye u cant know that Maybe he wuld master an jutsus that can counter obitos attacks or even Kill him.

**roncato** · 11-10-2012, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by blazekev90

that's ridiculous, one jutsu doesnt put you at Kage level

But more jutsu than 1000 makes him Kage lvl. He was Hatake Kakashi the copy ninja. Plus his handseals speed was pretty awesome. That makes him kage level.

**Bluedevil** · 11-10-2012, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by blazekev90

that's ridiculous, one jutsu doesnt put you at Kage level

Um FTG?- the 4th hokage
Dust Release? 3rd Turshikage
Lighting Armor tech.? A and His Dad

**Bluedevil** · 11-10-2012, 03:24 PM

In addition he has Orbito's MS Technique- this means he could to a limited degree he can make himself ethereal, absorb himself, items, and others. Has copied numerous techniques, is extremely fast (can avoid hidan/kakazu and release his ms at the same instant as Obito, and can keep up with itachi), is extremely intelligent, and he increased his chakara.

**hatake axel** · 11-10-2012, 03:50 PM

i dont think he is top tep either.

But he is indeed kage level as before when Tsunade was
in a coma and before Danzo, kakashi was the candidate to kage

**blazekev90** · 11-10-2012, 07:57 PM

People mention how he was asked to be HOkage, but the fact is even during part 1 The village was all out of top shinobi and were desperate for anyone at this point, especially if it couldnt be one of the Sannin.

**Enton** · 11-10-2012, 07:59 PM

I think you underrate Kakashi heavily. hes kage level but i do think hes overrated by some.

**blazekev90** · 11-10-2012, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by roncato

But more jutsu than 1000 makes him Kage lvl. He was Hatake Kakashi the copy ninja. Plus his handseals speed was pretty awesome. That makes him kage level.

worng knowing just any jutsu dont make you kage, its the power behind these jutsu and ones intellect.

**hatake axel** · 11-10-2012, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by blazekev90

worng knowing just any jutsu dont make you kage, its the power behind these jutsu and ones intellect.

Right.
Kakashi is among the ninjas with the highest intellect in Narutoverse.
And power?
Kamui, Raikiri, Raiton Clone, Water Dragon , Rasengan and thats just to name some

**blazekev90** · 11-10-2012, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by hatake axel

Right.
Kakashi is among the ninjas with the highest intellect in Narutoverse.
And power?
Kamui, Raikiri, Raiton Clone, Water Dragon , Rasengan and thats just to name some

only one of those jutsu would cause any top tier shinobi a problem and that's Kamui, which he havent been able to capitalize on yet! Kakashi has an OP jutsu but havent won a match w/ or w/o it, his intellect and low rank range of jutsu doesnt make him Kage level.

**muutobirama3rdraikagemizu** · 11-11-2012, 12:14 AM

i agree kakashi has ben fodderized by itachi and obito

**sephitachi** · 11-11-2012, 01:11 AM

I see where you're coming from, but I do put him higher than jounin. compare to the other jounin he is greater. but not kage level. he's ANBU level in my book. tho he could be the Hokage until Naruto's ready because of experience and the knowledge he holds about the village.

**Rinnegan1313** · 11-11-2012, 03:44 AM

Actually, a lot of the time one jutsu makes someone kage level (FTG, Dust Release, EMS/MS)

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