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      Re: Kakashi Hype

      Quote Originally Posted by Noobastank View Post
      according to Edo tensei it makes you good. with ET kabuto is number one because of 1 jutsu. what do you have t say abut that? when it was believed that Tsunade was dead they were going to select kakashi. so how is he not kage level when he is in the conversation of "Whos the next Hokage". Look Kakashi is dope. hes detestably Top 10 or 15
      Kabuto was already top 10 w/o Edo; DSM, sound abilities, Orochimaru abilities, Manda 2, intelligence, regeneration, medic ninjutsu. You can't compare them. Who else would have been choosen fr Hokage? I'm waiting for someone to answer that as the village needed a new representative ASAP.
       
           

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      Kakashi is not kage level. He's not stronger than any kages. He's high jounin at max.
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by KingPin90 View Post
      Kabuto was already top 10 w/o Edo; DSM, sound abilities, Orochimaru abilities, Manda 2, intelligence, regeneration, medic ninjutsu. You can't compare them. Who else would have been choosen fr Hokage? I'm waiting for someone to answer that as the village needed a new representative ASAP.

      Your right,, he was top ten with DSM but obviously not number one without it. he had the advantage of terrain and they were not trynna kill him and he still lost. obviously he needs that jutsu to be deemed number one. yes you can compare the two because he needs ET to be on top. without it he gets defeated. and if your number 1 you dont lose when you have the advantage to begin with. and konoha is not gonna pick a weak hokage. Thats absurd. so what they rushed but they were not gonna pick a fodder for the job. kakashi is the strongest jonin in konoha. he is overrated but still he is kage level. Low kage level and hes getting better over time.
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by Noobastank View Post
      Your right,, he was top ten with DSM but obviously not number one without it. he had the advantage of terrain and they were not trynna kill him and he still lost. obviously he needs that jutsu to be deemed number one. yes you can compare the two because he needs ET to be on top. without it he gets defeated. and if your number 1 you dont lose when you have the advantage to begin with. and konoha is not gonna pick a weak hokage. Thats absurd. so what they rushed but they were not gonna pick a fodder for the job. kakashi is the strongest jonin in konoha. he is overrated but still he is kage level. Low kage level and hes getting better over time.
      Kabuto's hands were tied during that match as well, He wanted sasuke's body, and knew that Itachi couldn't be killed, I think if he was going in for the actual kill, he'd have done it with that one Dragon sage mode jutsu that blinds and deafens ppl.
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by Noobastank View Post
      Your right,, he was top ten with DSM but obviously not number one without it. he had the advantage of terrain and they were not trynna kill him and he still lost. obviously he needs that jutsu to be deemed number one. yes you can compare the two because he needs ET to be on top. without it he gets defeated. and if your number 1 you dont lose when you have the advantage to begin with. and konoha is not gonna pick a weak hokage. Thats absurd. so what they rushed but they were not gonna pick a fodder for the job. kakashi is the strongest jonin in konoha. he is overrated but still he is kage level. Low kage level and hes getting better over time.
      This post fails as Kabuto wasn't trying to kill neither Itachi or Sauke too. He didn't even go all out and went against a Edo Itachi and EMS Sasuke at the same time. With being able to hold his own against them without going full out this is already OP, even if they were too. Also, with his abilities alone who could have defeated him? Naruto and Tobi, that's it do if he sued Edi like Naruto uses the kyuubi and Tobi uses Gezo and tailed beast, you damn right he can use Edo to be considered #1.

      Since you already acknowledge he is Jounin level why do you argue??? There aren't even anyone else worth mentioning in the village except him or Gai, what other Jounin lol
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
      that's ridiculous, one jutsu doesnt put you at Kage level
      Yep it does.

      Obito's S/T.

      amaterasu

      Susanoo

      Edo tensei

      Anyone with these techs can easily reach kage level.
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
      Yep it does.

      Obito's S/T.

      amaterasu

      Susanoo

      Edo tensei

      Anyone with these techs can easily reach kage level.
      Tobi's S/T alone didnt put him in top ten, he didnt become top until recently and he has more than just S/T, thus rinnsegan.

      amaterasu and Susanoo compliment each other, you have one without the each, that's two OP jutus and usually the user has plenty more.

      Edo alone hasnt determined ones power.

      Each of these are OP but alone doesnt make you Kage
       
           

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      This post fails as Kabuto wasn't trying to kill neither Itachi or Sauke too. He didn't even go all out and went against a Edo Itachi and EMS Sasuke at the same time. With being able to hold his own against them without going full out this is already OP, even if they were too. Also, with his abilities alone who could have defeated him? Naruto and Tobi, that's it do if he sued Edi like Naruto uses the kyuubi and Tobi uses Gezo and tailed beast, you damn right he can use Edo to be considered #1.

      Since you already acknowledge he is Jounin level why do you argue??? There aren't even anyone else worth mentioning in the village except him or Gai, what other Jounin lol

      No. Kabuto went all out he just failed. he was trying to kill them both. stop trynna give excuses. i said he is a jonin not he is jonin level. you cannot read i guess. naruto is genin but no genin level. he would have been hokage so would you then say he was kage level because of his change in rank? no you wouldnt. but me and all of konoha seems to think he is KAGE level. Just admit it. Kakashi is kage level

      3 elements/4 counting anime
      1000 jutsus
      The most s rank mission completions in konoha
      Awakened and learned how to us MS without uchiha DNA

      This is low kage level with MS 3/4 elements and 1k jutsu. you dont have to agree he is kage level just dont ignore the evidence either. you cant say he isnt low kage level if you do then your ignorant.

      Quote Originally Posted by Retsu View Post
      Kabuto's hands were tied during that match as well, He wanted sasuke's body, and knew that Itachi couldn't be killed, I think if he was going in for the actual kill, he'd have done it with that one Dragon sage mode jutsu that blinds and deafens ppl.
      I disagree with some points[not all] but i also see the not trynna kill sasuke point . Kabuto did have some disadvantages but the match all and all was in his favor regaurdless of if it was two on one. my point is with ET summons he would have won meaning one jutsu does matter. it can make the difference between your levels.
       
           
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      Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
      Tobi's S/T alone didnt put him in top ten, he didnt become top until recently and he has more than just S/T, thus rinnsegan.

      amaterasu and Susanoo compliment each other, you have one without the each, that's two OP jutus and usually the user has plenty more.

      Edo alone hasnt determined ones power.

      Each of these are OP but alone doesnt make you Kage
      OBito's S/T does make him Kage.

      His rinnegan hasn't really added much to his power as of late because he cannot use the techs due to having to watse chakra controlling bijuu.
      Obito's S/T alone is beating Naruto (top 5), Kakashi and Gai's asses.
      He might as well not even have the rinnegan since he isn't even using it, he used it once to pin the 5tails down.

      Amaterasu Can defeat anyone without speed levels on par with raikage or ocular impairment techs, Skill levels doesn't matter, Look/Fire/win. Done.
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by Noobastank View Post
      No. Kabuto went all out he just failed. he was trying to kill them both. stop trynna give excuses. i said he is a jonin not he is jonin level. you cannot read i guess. naruto is genin but no genin level. he would have been hokage so would you then say he was kage level because of his change in rank? no you wouldnt. but me and all of konoha seems to think he is KAGE level. Just admit it. Kakashi is kage level

      3 elements/4 counting anime
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      Awakened and learned how to us MS without uchiha DNA

      This is low kage level with MS 3/4 elements and 1k jutsu. you dont have to agree he is kage level just dont ignore the evidence either. you cant say he isnt low kage level if you do then your ignorant.
      Kabuto needed Sasuke's body and wanted to replace his seal in Itschi to regain control, do you read the manga?!?!
      He's a Jounin, so what makes him superior that makes him suddenly Kage?
      All that hype about his jutsu are irrelevant!! He hasn't used them because they are useless against top tier shinobi, which is why he hasn't won against any yet. You keep claiming his ranking with no reason of how hes proven himself, you slow fanboy.

      It's Tobi who awaken their MS and the fact that your mentioning the anime makes me not even want to take you argument serious.
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by Noobastank View Post
      No. Kabuto went all out he just failed. he was trying to kill them both. stop trynna give excuses. i said he is a jonin not he is jonin level. you cannot read i guess. naruto is genin but no genin level. he would have been hokage so would you then say he was kage level because of his change in rank? no you wouldnt. but me and all of konoha seems to think he is KAGE level. Just admit it. Kakashi is kage level
      Kabuto was not trying to kill sasuke, and he was only simply trying to Regain controll over Itachi.

      If kabuto truely went all out, he would of just summon some edo tensei back to help him fight.
       
           

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      Was elected for Hokage, which is enough to show his strength.
      Obito isnt exactly having an easy time against Kakashi.
      Defeated lots of the Edo Seven Swordsmen of the Hidden Mist
      Forced Deidara into retreat
      Hidan...
      Not a bad set of stats... for any character
       
           

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      OBito's S/T does make him Kage.

      His rinnegan hasn't really added much to his power as of late because he cannot use the techs due to having to watse chakra controlling bijuu.
      Obito's S/T alone is beating Naruto (top 5), Kakashi and Gai's asses.
      He might as well not even have the rinnegan since he isn't even using it, he used it once to pin the 5tails down.

      Amaterasu Can defeat anyone without speed levels on par with raikage or ocular impairment techs, Skill levels doesn't matter, Look/Fire/win. Done.
      Tobi's S/T simply made him a factor, but not worth ranking as he didnt demonstrate anything except avoiding attacks. His true power came once obtaining rinnegan and whether he used any of its ability is besides the point since we know what he can do with it. Having bijuu was enough and Gezo is enough at this point.

      speed, immortal, fast defenses and skill level does matter and we've seen how the skill differs from how Itachi used it compared to Sasuke.
       
           

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      Kabuto needed Sasuke's body and wanted to replace his seal in Itschi to regain control, do you read the manga?!?!
      He's a Jounin, so what makes him superior that makes him suddenly Kage?
      All that hype about his jutsu are irrelevant!! He hasn't used them because they are useless against top tier shinobi, which is why he hasn't won against any yet. You keep claiming his ranking with no reason of how hes proven himself, you slow fanboy.

      It's Tobi who awaken their MS and the fact that your mentioning the anime makes me not even want to take you argument serious.
      So much fail in so little time. He is kage level because of his skills. he is not hokage because tsunade is alive. what dont you understand about that? no matter how you look at it he is skilled enough to be a kage. this is not an argument.

      Kakashi>Mei
      Kakashi>Gaara

      but hes not kage level? Your just ignorant to the facts. honestly im done arguing with you. your to ignorant to the fact the dude has skills. Why cant you admit that? im not saying the dude is hashirama level just low kage level. your just a hater straight up. Kakashi is the man and you cant take it. everyone in this fight in my opinion is low to high kage level. Madara,Obito,Naruto,Bee,Kakashi and Gai

      Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
      Kabuto was not trying to kill sasuke, and he was only simply trying to Regain controll over Itachi.

      If kabuto truely went all out, he would of just summon some edo tensei back to help him fight.
      I understand that now, but even then i guess the match was pretty much even. both sides had advantages and disadvantages. i was only saying that to say with ET he is undefeatable, without it he is. so one technique makes a difference.
       
           
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      Quote Originally Posted by Noobastank View Post
      No. Kabuto went all out he just failed. he was trying to kill them both. stop trynna give excuses. i said he is a jonin not he is jonin level. you cannot read i guess. naruto is genin but no genin level. he would have been hokage so would you then say he was kage level because of his change in rank? no you wouldnt. but me and all of konoha seems to think he is KAGE level. Just admit it. Kakashi is kage level

      3 elements/4 counting anime
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      Awakened and learned how to us MS without uchiha DNA

      This is low kage level with MS 3/4 elements and 1k jutsu. you dont have to agree he is kage level just dont ignore the evidence either. you cant say he isnt low kage level if you do then your ignorant.



      I disagree with some points[not all] but i also see the not trynna kill sasuke point . Kabuto did have some disadvantages but the match all and all was in his favor regaurdless of if it was two on one. my point is with ET summons he would have won meaning one jutsu does matter. it can make the difference between your levels.
      I don't see how kabuto was the one with the advantage, Itachi couldn't be killed no matter what, and Sasuke was there to back up itachi, and kabuto never intended to harm Sasuke. It was 2 on 1 with 1 of the opponents immortal and they both are OP Uchiha, I really think DSM kabuto is one of the most OP ppl in the manga, he killed itachi several times during their fight, and imho tecnically killed them both twice, first with the DSM jutsu, and then he did it again with tayuya's flute, had itachi actually been alive, they would not have won that fight.

      tbh kabuto would still be top dog had he just retreated, but he is an uchiha's worst nightmare.
       
           

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      Technically he is kage level.

      He was selected to be the hokage for the leaf village when tsunade was in a coma. He's probably the best well rounded ninja in the manga imo.

      Jiriaya said himself that he's a given for hokage. It's just just about strength, it's allot more than that. Most of the strongest people in the manga aren't suited to be hokage.

      Naruto
      Obito
      Madara
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      Nagato

      None of these people are suited to be hokage.
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by Noobastank View Post
      So much fail in so little time. He is kage level because of his skills. he is not hokage because tsunade is alive. what dont you understand about that? no matter how you look at it he is skilled enough to be a kage. this is not an argument.

      Kakashi>Mei
      Kakashi>Gaara

      but hes not kage level? Your just ignorant to the facts. honestly im done arguing with you. your to ignorant to the fact the dude has skills. Why cant you admit that? im not saying the dude is hashirama level just low kage level. your just a hater straight up. Kakashi is the man and you cant take it. everyone in this fight in my opinion is low to high kage level. Madara,Obito,Naruto,Bee,Kakashi and Gai
      Omg I didn't think people could be this unrealistic! He is skilled, but not to the degree of Kage. There are many skilled shinobi who aren't Kage, which is why some were made generals in the war. His skill is analyzing situations and being able to counter them, as others said a great support shinobi.

      He is not greater than Garra, Mei is questionable only because we have seem little from her. You simply can't accept it you poor excuse of a fan, get over it!
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
      Tobi's S/T simply made him a factor, but not worth ranking as he didnt demonstrate anything except avoiding attacks. His true power came once obtaining rinnegan and whether he used any of its ability is besides the point since we know what he can do with it. Having bijuu was enough and Gezo is enough at this point.

      speed, immortal, fast defenses and skill level does matter and we've seen how the skill differs from how Itachi used it compared to Sasuke.
      What true power, he has shown nothing with the rinnegan, he is just using that same old S/T. He has used the outer path once. thats it. No other rinnegan power.
      He is even controlling the bijuu with his sharingan, All the rinnegan is there for it a fail safe incase one breaks his sharingan Genjutsu. Nothing more.
      Obito's S/T is the only reason he is causing Naruto/Kakashi/Gai so much trouble, his rinnegan has nothing to do with it.

      Obito wen't from being a mid skilled chunin, To being able to completely slaughter a hidden mist shinobi squad with no Training or anything (since he had only just gotten out of bed, A little help from zetsu also).
      Fact, Obito's S/T (Pre-Bijuu/Pre-gedo mazo) was the only thing keeping him kage level.

      The only shinobi that can defend against amaterasu are Kage level, Out of the current kages, only the raikage can defend against amaterasu.
      The Sasuke vs Bee fight was prime example.

      Bee was in another league to the sasuke that fought him, One amaterasu and he was down and out.
       
           
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      Quote Originally Posted by Retsu View Post
      I don't see how kabuto was the one with the advantage, Itachi couldn't be killed no matter what, and Sasuke was there to back up itachi, and kabuto never intended to harm Sasuke. It was 2 on 1 with 1 of the opponents immortal and they both are OP Uchiha, I really think DSM kabuto is one of the most OP ppl in the manga, he killed itachi several times during their fight, and imho tecnically killed them both twice, first with the DSM jutsu, and then he did it again with tayuya's flute, had itachi actually been alive, they would not have won that fight.

      tbh kabuto would still be top dog had he just retreated, but he is an uchiha's worst nightmare.
      Ok i will give you that but im afraid we are getting off topic. i was only stating that without edo tensei he is defeatable. honestly that was the point i was making. so with 1 technique you can be number 1. ok so the match was not even i guess. being that now i see he wasnt trying his hardest. but the point still remains that without ET he can loose. so this one technique is what makes him jump from top 5 to number 1
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by YellowFlash1 View Post
      Technically he is kage level.

      He was selected to be the hokage for the leaf village when tsunade was in a coma. He's probably the best well rounded ninja in the manga imo.

      Jiriaya said himself that he's a given for hokage. It's just just about strength, it's allot more than that. Most of the strongest people in the manga aren't suited to be hokage.

      Naruto
      Obito
      Madara
      Sasuke
      Nagato

      None of these people are suited to be hokage.
      Its been stated twice in the manga that Kabuto before getting DSM and Edo was Kakashi's level, i guess he could have been Hokage/Kage too huh lol
       
           

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      Yes, Kabuto was at Kakashi's level when he was only 19. I suppose, he was a kage level ninja as well.
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
      What true power, he has shown nothing with the rinnegan, he is just using that same old S/T. He has used the outer path once. thats it. No other rinnegan power.
      He is even controlling the bijuu with his sharingan, All the rinnegan is there for it a fail safe incase one breaks his sharingan Genjutsu. Nothing more.
      Obito's S/T is the only reason he is causing Naruto/Kakashi/Gai so much trouble, his rinnegan has nothing to do with it.

      Obito wen't from being a mid skilled chunin, To being able to completely slaughter a hidden mist shinobi squad with no Training or anything (since he had only just gotten out of bed, A little help from zetsu also).
      Fact, Obito's S/T (Pre-Bijuu/Pre-gedo mazo) was the only thing keeping him kage level.

      The only shinobi that can defend against amaterasu are Kage level, Out of the current kages, only the raikage can defend against amaterasu.
      The Sasuke vs Bee fight was prime example.

      Bee was in another league to the sasuke that fought it, One amaterasu and he was down and out.
      true power=the abilites of the rinnsgan itself, regradless if he has displayed than or not, he's able to. Tobi's was casuing any dmage, all it did was alone him to avoid their attacks, which is why that alone didnt pu thim at Kage level. This war started afterwards, once he gained posession of the rinnegan adn bjuui.

      Orochimaru too has the ability to avoid amaterasu, SM users ability to sense chakra (i believe so)
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by KingPin90 View Post
      Omg I didn't think people could be this unrealistic! He is skilled, but not to the degree of Kage. There are many skilled shinobi who aren't Kage, which is why some were made generals in the war. His skill is analyzing situations and being able to counter them, as others said a great support shinobi.

      He is not greater than Garra, Mei is questionable only because we have seem little from her. You simply can't accept it you poor excuse of a fan, get over it!
      Im a poor excuse for a fan? yet you cannot give proof all you have done was say kakashi is not kage level. i gave you reasons why. all you can do is insult me and repeat your opinion. your not good at debating at all


      -Nominated as a choice for hokage. [if he wasnt kage level why would they bring him up out of all the skilled ninja you mentioned?]

      -MS user [All MS USERS to date are low to high kage level why would kakashi not fall into that category especially when the head jonin of konoha nominated him for the job of hokage?]

      -Third division allied force Commander [Guess they hand this posistion out to people who are not kage level?]

      -Third data book total stats 34.5 [Hiruzen's total was 34 Jiraiya 35.5 he is up there with these two but hes not kage level?]

      Theres my proof wheres yours? before you call me stupid show me some proof foo
       
           

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      Re: Kakashi Hype

      Quote Originally Posted by blazekev90 View Post
      Its been stated twice in the manga that Kabuto before getting DSM and Edo was Kakashi's level, i guess he could have been Hokage/Kage too huh lol
      He was said to go head to head with kakashi way before he improved. Kakashi was stated he was a given at the time he was *****ing with his Ms and being a boss.

      Kabuto would not make a good hokage either because he has no loyalty to his village. Like i said before strength is not everything.
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by Noobastank View Post
      Im a poor excuse for a fan? yet you cannot give proof all you have done was say kakashi is not kage level. i gave you reasons why. all you can do is insult me and repeat your opinion. your not good at debating at all


      -Nominated as a choice for hokage. [if he wasnt kage level why would they bring him up out of all the skilled ninja you mentioned?]

      -MS user [All MS USERS to date are low to high kage level why would kakashi not fall into that category especially when the head jonin of konoha nominated him for the job of hokage?]

      -Third division allied force Commander [Guess they hand this posistion out to people who are not kage level?]

      -Third data book total stats 34.5 [Hiruzen's total was 34 Jiraiya 35.5 he is up there with these two but hes not kage level?]

      Theres my proof wheres yours? before you call me stupid show me some proof foo
      haha that's no proof neither, you simply came to the concluison that he was Kage. As I stated Kabuto was stated to be Kakashi's level number of times, i guess he was Kage than too. He's the only non-uchiha MS user and he wasnt even the one to obtain it, even though he doesnt possess half of their abilites lol. If your trying to conclude Kakashi greater than the 3rd, I'm done with this all together lol. Sorry i had to say that, it was too funny of a post.
       
           

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