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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    yhhh kakashi is hard but he is overated because of kamui
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Kakashi is defenetly kage lvl or atleas hokage
    1,he was considered as hokage when tsunade was in Coma
    2.he know more 1000jutsus
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    No need more evedenc.
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Kakashi did defeat several badass shinobi: he beat Zabuza, the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist partly, he held against two paths of pain and selfsacraficed himself so get information to the Hokage and saved Choji so his clan can continue.
    Then as already enough people said he mastered Sharingan and Mangekyou to his DNA limited level, Chidori, does everything for his comrades, good analyze skills and intelligent, early Anbu and academy exam.
    He is strong and more importantly: Konoha does not choose a Kage by who is the strongest, but who is the best and who is trusted by the people of Konoha..so Kage level!
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Kakashi is intelligent but he has no powerful large scale jutsus which is a huge downfall. As for whether he is kage level or not, I don't care and people please refrain from saying he can beat Gaara, A, or oonoki.
     
         

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    Kakashi just developed a new ability recently(teleportation). This could be really interesting in defensiv purposes, because thanks to that he could easily hide in his dimension while escaping a suicidal attack for example. Kakashi just shows how he improves chapters after chapters, how he becomes even more badass. If it continue to go this way(plot chakra or not), he can easily end this manga being top10 ever. Just wait, intangibility is coming
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Quote Originally Posted by Hafiz Dembos View Post
    Kakashi is intelligent but he has no powerful large scale jutsus which is a huge downfall. As for whether he is kage level or not, I don't care and people please refrain from saying he can beat Gaara, A, or oonoki.
    what manga do u read?
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Kakashi is at Kage-level to me, not because of one jutsu. Hell, he has over 1000 jutsu... No he is incredibly smart, knows an answer in any battle-situation and indeed has a few incredible jutsu. He's not physically the strongest, but is very fast and uses technique as a great tool. Raikiri is a very powerful and fast jutsu and he even expanded it now. His Sharingan gives him extra abilty to read the opponents attacks and we don't have to argue about the power of Kamui. For as far as i've seen he has 4 nature types. He used Earth against Obito recently, Water against Zabuza, I've seen him use fire can't remember the scene at the moment and ofcourse Lightning.

    No fanboy... yeah a Kishimoto fanboy
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

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    Ok, I', getting quite confused with all the Kakashi hype, with him going against top tier shinobi and his ranking be compared to the title of "KAGE." Last time I checked Kakashi has defeated no one of any signifance, countering simple jutsu means nothing at this point. In all his fights i have yet to be impressed, they are entertaining however (vs. Hidan). Despite this what has he done to be full Kage level, who can he beat w/o question that puts him at this level?

    I have noted that he for sure has skill, with analyzing a situation, countering specific jutus, etc but fails to pull out a win. Therefore, I'm not hating on his character, hell I use to be a fan but I'm not seeing all this hype behind him of late.

    For me I see Kakashi as Jonin Level, which in itself is still very impressive but the ranking itself is being underrated. There is no such thing as low Kage, that's NB talk, you either have it or you dont.


    Can he defeat anyone in top 10? 15? (depending on ones ranking)

    Again, this isn't me hating but rather trying to understand this hype because I dont see how its emerged.

    You underestimate Kakashi very much so.... Out many shinobi in Narutoverse, I rank Kakashi top 10. But his greatest feat is his skills as a leader.. If you take Tsunade out of the equation, who is best suited to lead the leaf? Kakashi. The copy Ninja is getting stronger and stronger each time. You sleeping on him... Kage-Level he is...
     
         

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    Yea. I'm with roby. I think he's on a hokage body guard level.
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    *cough* Obito *cough*
    Am not a kakashi fan but I feel he still has some jutsus up his sleeve awesome chapter tho
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

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    Your a poor excuse for a fan. insulting one for their opinion. Your just a hater. stop insulting people because they share different views.



    Horrible logic. kakashi is smart and has s rank jutsu...you defeat yourself with your own argument.
    So how about you explain who else could have been a possible consideration?? There was no one else!! Kakashi is smart and overall very skilled, but nothing significant close to being Kage. As I mentioned massive times before there are other Jounin who can be considered just as impressive in both skill and intelligence yet are still at that level Jounin, people are simply understating this title because no one with this title has shined in the leaf except Gai and Kakashi. However others have else where, Darius, Garra's brother, onooki's guard, etc.
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Kakashi was going to be given the rank of Kage.
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Quote Originally Posted by KingPin90 View Post
    Kakashi being the student of Minato, overall skilled and smart, of course he would be a given in a village full of fodder (excluding Gai, Naurto, and Danzo was disliked). Who else could have been choosen?!?! He's only way of defeating them would be by Kamui and that alone shouldn't place one at such a high level. Those three posses much more than just a simple jutsu, and have actually accomplished things. Kakashi sits at Kage guard level, the like vice president so when he/she are outta the picture you default the position.
    No, He could defeat the Kages i've listed with or without Kamui. (kakashi only uses kamui as a last resort, he does not rely on it), Kamui just boosts his chances slighty.
    His Speed combined with his Jutsu skill and his tatical and analytical makes him Kage level, Not only kamui.

    Kakashi being able to assassinate a Kage level shinobi (kakuzu), I would like to see any shinobi attempt this, Also while Fighting off both kakuzu and hidan at the same time while having to babysit ino and the fatty, Even Nagato deemed someone like kakashi a threat.
    While kakashi also was able to Fool the "mighty" Itachi with a shadow clone, While simultaneous hiding that clone and his real self underground and itachi almost failed to notice. At that point even itachi commented on his Jutsu skill.

    People underrate kakashi because he hasn't the raw power that the kages have, His intelligence/tatical ability easily closes the gap between their strength.
     
         
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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Kakashi is at least Kage level. Apparently, his chakra control and chakra reserves have grown immensely through out the war, so chakra is no longer the major drawback it used to be for him. Kamui is OP. No matter how much you hate the people who overrate it or whatever, the fact remains that Kamui is OP. This can not be denied. With a jutsu as hax as Kamui, kakashi is already leagues ahead of other ninja people generally rank him with. On top of his strongest jutsu being hax, he has shown that he is capable of using it multiple times in one fight... and still be able to use multiple chidori/raikiri. You can blame it on plot, but this entire manga is plot. It is fiction after all.

    Excluding Kamui, Kakashi also has a large arsenal of jutsu we have yet to see (said to have copied 1000 techniques). He is also an excellent strategist. Since this mange started being about Huge, OP, Flashy jutsu, Kakashi is one of the few characters that still analyzes the battle field and uses strategy to win. Intelligence always plays a role when talking about a leader and Kakashi is undoubtedly an intelligent shinobi. He was considered for position as sixth Hokage even with all the other people in the village who could have taken the position instead of Kakashi. He was the best candidate, and that is why they picked him; even if it was in a time of great need.

    All that being said, Kakashi is able to go toe to toe with a couple of the current Kage. Whether he wins or not is irrelevant.. no one said he would be the STRONGEST kage, but he is definitely kage level.
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
    No, He could defeat the Kages i've listed with or without Kamui. (kakashi only uses kamui as a last resort, he does not rely on it), Kamui just boosts his chances slighty.
    His Speed combined with his Jutsu skill and his tatical and analytical makes him Kage level, Not only kamui.

    Kakashi being able to assassinate a Kage level shinobi (kakuzu), I would like to see any shinobi attempt this, Also while Fighting off both kakuzu and hidan at the same time while having to babysit ino and the fatty, Even Nagato deemed someone like kakashi a threat.
    While kakashi also was able to Fool the "mighty" Itachi with a shadow clone, While simultaneous hiding that clone and his real self underground and itachi almost failed to notice. At that point even itachi commented on his Jutsu skill.

    People underrate kakashi because he hasn't the raw power that the kages have, His intelligence/tatical ability easily closes the gap between their strength.
    Underrate him or ranking in itself?? While I'm sure it's arguable that characters like Gai, Daruis, etc can defeat Mei and Tsunade based off their fighting styles, they lack the qualifications being Kage level. Kakashi has shown the ability to defend as analyze situations, but it's not his power that stops him from being Kage, but what's been displayed from his character as a whole. With his tricky tactics and defending fodder, he hasn't accomplished anything that a character of his level shouldn't have.

    As being shown as one of the main characters, besides Naruto and Sasuke themselves, we've seen and ward about his development more than anyone else, more than any thee Kage or Jounin. But from what know about Kage level shinobi is that they are powerful, intelligent and able to defend against their entire village. In all instances where we've seen villages attacked, Kakashi wouldn't have done as good as 3rd Hokage, Tsunade, Garra, Minato, etc in protecting his village or at least assisting those in need. However, he is great to help attack a situation when needed, which is where his character has been shown the most is dealing with!

    The fact is Jounin level is just below Kage, not because they would get owned by every Kage, but simply because they don't fully have help it takes to take on top tier shinobi while having save others. Kakashi can defend against top tier shinobi but no where beyond that, at some point he would need assistance and a Kage shouldn't need that in every situation.
     
         
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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Quote Originally Posted by KingPin90 View Post
    The fact is Jounin level is just below Kage, not because they would get owned by every Kage, but simply because they don't fully have help it takes to take on top tier shinobi while having save others. Kakashi can defend against top tier shinobi but no where beyond that, at some point he would need assistance and a Kage shouldn't need that in every situation.
    The only reason as to why Kakashi should not be kage is because he doesn't want to. He's obviously powerful and insightful enough, as the only doubts the council had was Kakashi's young age.
    Ranks do not matter here, of course in terms of rank Jonin is below Kage, but then again, Kakashi is only Jonin because of the fact that there is no higher rank than that besides Kage. There are many kage level shinobi that are not kage besides Kakashi: Itachi, Sasuke, Naruto (apart from intelligence), etc.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingPin90 View Post
    Underrate him or ranking in itself?? While I'm sure it's arguable that characters like Gai, Daruis, etc can defeat Mei and Tsunade based off their fighting styles, they lack the qualifications being Kage level. Kakashi has shown the ability to defend as analyze situations, but it's not his power that stops him from being Kage, but what's been displayed from his character as a whole. With his tricky tactics and defending fodder, he hasn't accomplished anything that a character of his level shouldn't have.

    As being shown as one of the main characters, besides Naruto and Sasuke themselves, we've seen and ward about his development more than anyone else, more than any thee Kage or Jounin. But from what know about Kage level shinobi is that they are powerful, intelligent and able to defend against their entire village. In all instances where we've seen villages attacked, Kakashi wouldn't have done as good as 3rd Hokage, Tsunade, Garra, Minato, etc in protecting his village or at least assisting those in need. However, he is great to help attack a situation when needed, which is where his character has been shown the most is dealing with!

    The fact is Jounin level is just below Kage, not because they would get owned by every Kage, but simply because they don't fully have help it takes to take on top tier shinobi while having save others. Kakashi can defend against top tier shinobi but no where beyond that, at some point he would need assistance and a Kage shouldn't need that in every situation.
    Sigh... So what you're saying in the bold text is that Kakashi isn't lacking power, meaning he has the power to be a kage... but he is lacking everything else? Kage is a leadership position. To be a leader, you have to be intelligent, calm under pressure, as well as powerful. And of course, you have to be a good leader. In your post you said Kakashi has the power, but he lacks everything else. So what you mean to tell me is that Kakashi lacks the intelligence to be a leader? You mean to tell me he isn't calm under pressure? You mean to tell me Kakashi Hatake isn't a good leader? A is probably the most hard headed Kage currently living. Kakashi is without a doubt calmer, more intelligent, and a better leader than A, but A is still a kage right? If anything, Kakashi lacks the raw power to match the other kage. His intellect and leadership is not to be brought into question.
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Quote Originally Posted by Takos View Post
    The only reason as to why Kakashi should not be kage is because he doesn't want to. He's obviously powerful and insightful enough, as the only doubts the council had was Kakashi's young age.
    Ranks do not matter here, of course in terms of rank Jonin is below Kage, but then again, Kakashi is only Jonin because of the fact that there is no higher rank than that besides Kage. There are many kage level shinobi that are not kage besides Kakashi: Itachi, Sasuke, Naruto (apart from intelligence), etc.
    No, it's not whether it not he wanted to be or not, it's whether he could actually live up to the Hype f being Kage level with all that it demands. As I stated, it's about power, intelligence, defending, and being able to save your own ass. Kages are top chief who have to do the saving, not be saved. Previous Kages have done just that to the best of their abilities and have proven their place, from what weve seen from Kakashi, the same cant be said about him as he has fallen short at every situation he's faced, and that's in defending himself, let along the entire village. This is where people get Kage and Joinin ranking confused.
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

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    Sigh... So what you're saying in the bold text is that Kakashi isn't lacking power, meaning he has the power to be a kage... but he is lacking everything else? Kage is a leadership position. To be a leader, you have to be intelligent, calm under pressure, as well as powerful. And of course, you have to be a good leader. In your post you said Kakashi has the power, but he lacks everything else. So what you mean to tell me is that Kakashi lacks the intelligence to be a leader? You mean to tell me he isn't calm under pressure? You mean to tell me Kakashi Hatake isn't a good leader? A is probably the most hard headed Kage currently living. Kakashi is without a doubt calmer, more intelligent, and a better leader than A, but A is still a kage right? If anything, Kakashi lacks the raw power to match the other kage. His intellect and leadership is not to be brought into question.
    What I mean is, he has power but lacks power diversity in which it takes to defend an entire village or at least assist those in need. People as like intelligence and leadership is all it takes. No! It's way more than this, hell we just had a presidential election and we know who's qualified as who's now. It's about having the ability to defend/help all when your back is against the wall. Kakashi can remain calm all day and develop a plan, but can he succeed with that plan? Will others need to rescue him??
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi Hype

    Quote Originally Posted by KingPin90 View Post
    Underrate him or ranking in itself?? While I'm sure it's arguable that characters like Gai, Daruis, etc can defeat Mei and Tsunade based off their fighting styles, they lack the qualifications being Kage level. Kakashi has shown the ability to defend as analyze situations, but it's not his power that stops him from being Kage, but what's been displayed from his character as a whole. With his tricky tactics and defending fodder, he hasn't accomplished anything that a character of his level shouldn't have.

    As being shown as one of the main characters, besides Naruto and Sasuke themselves, we've seen and ward about his development more than anyone else, more than any thee Kage or Jounin. But from what know about Kage level shinobi is that they are powerful, intelligent and able to defend against their entire village. In all instances where we've seen villages attacked, Kakashi wouldn't have done as good as 3rd Hokage, Tsunade, Garra, Minato, etc in protecting his village or at least assisting those in need. However, he is great to help attack a situation when needed, which is where his character has been shown the most is dealing with!

    The fact is Jounin level is just below Kage, not because they would get owned by every Kage, but simply because they don't fully have help it takes to take on top tier shinobi while having save others. Kakashi can defend against top tier shinobi but no where beyond that, at some point he would need assistance and a Kage shouldn't need that in every situation.
    Hashirama had assistance against Madara according to the manga (mito his wife). Minato has assistance against Tobi/Kyuubi, While miato delt with tobi, Hiruzen and others held the kyuubi back. Tsunade had assistance while healing the village from the anbu that were guarding her.

    Having assistance doesn't mean anything, A kage will defend their village along side every shinobi in that village, You make it sound like you expect every kage level shinobi to Solo every threat that comes to their village.
    Gaara went solo against deidara and lost, Tsunade failed to protect the village, Hence it got 1shotted by pain, This doesn't make them any less of a kage.
     
         

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