Ok, so I promised this thread regarding Sakura's development in the series, ie supassing Tsunade.
I know the majority of you will start bashing towards her calling her all that names. I've heard it before, not impressed.
So note this: every single bashing towards her will be reported! I am not here for your whining personalities, not for hearing your hate.
There is a lot hate in this world, real one, so I don't need some childish hate towards a character. Are we clear?
I am looking for a nice discussion/debate upon these theories I am having.
Before saying that no, Sakura will not get it because Naruto is ending, let's not forget that Kishi said multiple times that he wanted to end the series yet he found himself continuing it.
So until it's not finished, I have the right to think up for some certain possibilities as long as I want.
Hopefully, we are clear.
Sorry if I sounded *****y, my excuses, I've just had it with people with whom you can't have a nice discussion. I am just repaying in the same manner, if you want to take it like that.
Now, let's get down to business.
Given the last events, as we've seen, Tsunade is on her verge of dying. There's a 50/50 chance of survival. We don't know for sure if she dies or lives.
But putting this aside, I have had these ideas before this whole Tsunade events of certain developments Sakura might get.
1. Yin Seal.
Well, as we know, Kishi has drawn Sakura to make a big deal out of her forehead.
From the series's start this was a part of her personality, more exact, one of her biggest problems regarding her insecurities over her looks.
But what made me think it's not just about her forehead as a personality issue was after Tsunade was introduced in the manga, and afterwards, Sakura became her student and we saw the pattern Kishi followed with the 3 characters.
Naruto - Jiraiya: Learned Rasengan from him at the beginning as a prime development, afterwards he learned Sage Mode.
Sasuke - Orochimaru: Curse Seal as a prime development, afterwards learned Kirin with the help of Orochimaru, which, surprisingly or not, enough, looks like a Dragon (according to the manga, snakes evolve into dragons, see Kabuto getting Dragon Sage Mode)
Sakura - Tsunade: Medical ninjutsu and improved taijutsu as a prime development, second yet to see.
When we are first presented to Tsunade we got to see the Yin Seal drawn... where do you think? Exactly, on her forehead!
Later on, Kishi emphasizes once again the "forehead" thing with Tsunade.
As we clearly know, Kishi isn't the man to place signs here and there for nothing.
Putting the jokes aside, this reminds me of a funny picture I've found few days ago.
That was for the laughs.
Now, going on with my theories/possibilities, however you want to call it.
2. Genjutsu (Bringer of the Darkness)
As we know, in the beginning, ironically, Sakura falls under Kakashi's genjutsu in the 2 bell training.
But later on, we learn that she has gotten better at genjutsu, as proven in the Chuunin exams and Kakashi's words.
Of course, now you'll say that she was only shown to disperse it, but in the major fight Sakura had with Sasori, genjutsu would've been totally out of the question.
Now, you might ask yourself why I straightly went to Bringer of the Darkness and not other genjutsu.
Well, as I was re-reading the manga, one thing caught my attention.
In the Team 7 which consisted in Yamato and Sai, Sakura was always associated with Yamato.
And what really really caught my attention was this:
Out of them, Sakura was the only one to recognize the Jutsu and the Mokuton ninjutsu out of her colleagues.
Actually as we've seen, besides Naruto, none of them were associated in some sort of way with Hashirama Senju.
The only one who was, indirectly, is Sakura as we've seen in these scans because we all know who Yamato is.
And also, the most powerful genjutsu technique Hashirama showed was, as we all know, Bringer of the Darkness.
So if we put all these pieces together into a puzzle, it would lead to the fact that Sakura would get to learn it, taking into consideration that she is associated to Hashirama not only via Yamato, also via Tsunade who is his granddaughter and was known to know everything about her grandfather.
So this would come fairly logic into Sakura's development.
Another interesting thing I've noticed is this.
In the War, now, when we are introduced to Nidaime Mizukage there's a hint.
As we see, he says that his element is Yin (I wonder who possesses the same seal ) element and that this means he is a genjutsu user.
So once again, if we put these into a puzzle, we can see it quite clear. The only missing puzzle here is Kishimoto.
You might say that no, this is not possible but let us not forget about the fact that her master is the Hokage so, actually, Sakura has access to all these documents that contain jutsus and stuff like that.
We caught a glimpse with Sakura having access to those things in the war, where she was reading a report made by Yamato. We all know that these reports are for the Hokage.
And as we clearly see here, Sakura has access to it.
Now, I know there will be some of you that will say this won't happen, it's not possible but Kishi hinted so many times that old generation is surpassed by the new one, also he has made this clear that might happen with Sakura via Kakashi and Chiyo and these two are strong voices in the Narutoverse.
Kakashi, well, we all know who he is.
And Chiyo, we also know who she is as well and Chiyo is a veteran in her own right that fought Tsunade many times, has wars behind as experience and yet she said Sakura is liable to surpass Tsunade.
So this might come and it wouldn't be something strange to see, I would say that even expected.
The Slug Sage Mode thing, I am not taking it into consideration because I do believe that belongs to Tsunade more than Sakura, but who knows, maybe Kishi throws a surprise. o.O
Anyway, this is kinda it.
Hope you enjoyed the reading!
LATER EDIT: What I discovered more about another genjutsu specialist in the Senju clan was Tōka Senju.
Now, what exactly Tōka means? Well, as you guessed it, it has connection with flowers.
It means "Peach flower".
Guess the color of peach flowers?
Yeap, very similar to a certain's character hair and name.
Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.
Originally Posted by Katkot
From the day one, i always believe on sakura abillity ..
She is best female character in the series
Well, maybe not the best, but one of the best out there.
At least if this won't come to be, it shows how great potential she has, excepting the medical ninjutsu.
Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.
Originally Posted by Chatte
Well, maybe not the best, but one of he best out there.
At least if this won't come to be, it shows how great potential she has, excepting the medical ninjutsu.
Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.
honestly i dislicked part 1 sakura, but that doesnt matter...part 2 is fine she is stronger than many give her credit for and there is to much hate for one character....i think that sakura will get the yin seal(which i think was taught to tsunade by mito(who also has diamond on forehead)) and she will probably become a better medic than tsunade, but i dont think much will be put on her becoming more powerful in fights....kishi has said himself he sucks at developing females, and he hasnt shown he will make sakura much better...that said i do think she will learn some genjutsu(maybe bringer of darkness?) but wont be as good as say kuranei.....i see her as a healer not a attacker(shizune for example).....
sakura identified the wood style because of 2 reasons...one is it might be taught in academy, or 2 she had access to many books and read of hashi wood.....(or tsunade told her stories of the first) simply put she knows about many techniques and that is why she iddentified it
all in all she wont learn slug sage mode, since she has less than kakashi chakra pool, and i think her develope ment will be more of a supprt healer role. i think she will learn some genjutsu, but not sure if bringer of darkness.......
good thread and its a shame that she is hated so much
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Great thread. I never thought of a possible foreshadowing of the Yin seal because of her forehead. Would have been better if you left out all the ugly pictures of Sakura though.
Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.
Originally Posted by ' ~ Dantee ~ '
Great thread. I never thought of a possible foreshadowing of the Yin seal because of her forehead. Would have been better if you left out all the ugly pictures of Sakura though.
Well, I couldn't leave those aside.
It's part of everything.
But thanks for commenting in a nice way, really appreciated.
Originally Posted by Roby
There is more to Sakura than meets the eye. So at this point everything is possible
Hopefully Kishi will not put her in the back... She has shown great potential and would be lame not to develop her.
Originally Posted by Simple Math
mind=blown.. how did she know about Shodai's wood tech? lol, but i read it all though.
its possible for a development but her only weakness is Sasuke!!
Well, I guess from Tsunade?
Indeed, her only weakness is her heart, as Kishi said it here:
Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.
Originally Posted by ' ~ Dantee ~ '
Great thread. I never thought of a possible foreshadowing of the Yin seal because of her forehead. Would have been better if you left out all the ugly pictures of Sakura though.
just now saw the interview ....i'm glad that naruto not gonna end next yr ..... so you can take one condition from probability
Originally Posted by Chatte
2. I don't do I told you so threads, sorry, not my type.
Once again, why are we having this conversation if you're not open to theories and everything that stands as a possibility you deny it?
Basically, by that logic you would've denied Snake Sage Mode before although it came to be in the manga.
yes if someone told me that there is a Dragon Sage mode before kabuto used it i would have said No way and i would have defended my view saying that there is no proof for Dragon SM then and when kabuto used it i would have accepted i was wrong
i win like a man and i lose like a man .....if sakura shows any of the tech you have said in this thread then i will accept i'm wrong until then i wont ..... and i wont say kishi trolls us or plot no jutst BS
Originally Posted by Chatte
3. Being a fast learner helps in learning the technique, yes, however it helps with the chakra storage via chakra control.
You seem to have ignored that point in part 1.
You say I don't have solid proof, but neither do you. We don't know if Tsunade stored chakra for 30 years or 30 days.
You forget one thing. It's not always about how much chakra you possess. It's about how you handle that chakra you're having.
Furthermore, Sakura's been noted by consuming less chakra when using her techniques, furthermore leading to the fact that she can perform techniques with less chakra consumption, in that way leading to more effective battle tactics.
And the best example here is Kakashi, how he managed to work with his chakra control from part 1 to part 2. Disconsidering this arc.
Originally Posted by Chatte
Tsunade's age is 51, but as I said, we have no proof of when she started to use the Yin Seal.
Could've been fairly years before, could've been months before.
But this is no solid proof that Sakura cannot have the seal.
Yes sakura also has better chakra control ....and effective when using tech no denying that
the weight of proof always rest with the one who is "saying he has found sumthing" or "sumthing is possible"
if i say "naruto surpassing sosp is possible" then its my responsibility to provide proof for that
here you are saying its possible that "sakura can learn and store chakra for Yin seal in a matter of weeks or months" so its your responsibility to provide proof for a that (tsunade doesn't count since she is 1/4 senju and 1/4 uzumaki)
Originally Posted by Chatte
4. The databook serves as generality and shows what she has used until then, now what she might posses in storage in the future.
Once again, why are we having the conversation? I already repeated myself.
This is a possibility/theoretical thread.
When those proofs will be in the manga, this thread will have no value as it's only a theoretical thread.
even theories need some core proof to build upon
Originally Posted by Chatte
5. Show me another one from the younger generation who recognizes secret jutsus belonging to Mokuton ninjutsu.
wat?????when wood comes out of the ground its wood release i dont understand how much intelligent you have to be to say that and also as i said no one other than naruto(clearly not gud with history) and sai(doesn't show any emotions) was there when yamato first used it and no other young generation actually seen it being used by yamato or others like madara or obito or never showed any puzzled reaction that they didn't know it
Originally Posted by Chatte
6. Yes it shows that she is the less developed compared to the power-houses, however compared with the others from her generation it shows she is the most developed.
She didn't rely on Naruto's power every time. Actually, she is well rooted, if I may say like this in the general plot.
Less effective? Tell me how ineffective she was against Sasori, please.
i thought we were past this
Credit to defeating sasori goes to Chiyo (that too questionable bcos sasori choose not to dodge the last parent puppet attack)
healing and saving the life of chiyo goes to Sakura
without chiyo sakura would not have get past sasori's first wave of attacks
proof
Originally Posted by Chatte
You didn't get what I saw saying but anyway.
I don't have amnesia, of course, yes I said that, and I presented the proof from the manga to back-up my theory. Or you want to tell me that those are fake manga pages that I posted?
i'm not saying those are fake pages but the proof you have provides is not sufficient
what are the proofs that the pages provide lets recap
1.sakura has a bid forehead
2.tsunade pointed to her forehead when saying about the yin seal
3.sakura's forehead is a good place to have the yin seal
4.so sakura will have yin seal
5.sakura was seen with a lot of scrolls so she has access to all those acrolls
6.one of the scrolls may contain "Bringer of Darkness" jutsu
7.sakura was able to identify wood release by seeing the wood coming out of the ground
8.found out it was 1'st hokage's jutsu (who was the only one known to have wood release at the moment)
9.so she has knowledge about all of 1st hokage's jutsu
10.tsunade being the granddaughter of 1st knows abt hashi's jutsu and may teach or guide sakura in that tech
is that all or have i missed sumthing....
proving means confirming beyond all doubts like "Innocent until proven guilty"
so unless you provide proof to convince beyond all doubts i wont believe this
i will entertain it as a possibility
but accepting this is totally different
Originally Posted by Chatte
I will have to take some time with that math thing there because it's a bit harder to understand since I've never studied math in another language and I wasn't good at math in my own language, lol.
However, the potential with Sakura is undeniably there.
i am not that gud either but i think this might help
consider 2 events
1.)picking a ball from pot that contains 1 black and 1 white balls => so probability of picking a black ball is 1/2
2.)tossing a fare coin that has 2 faces a Head and a Tail => so probability of tossing the coin and getting a Head is 1/2
so now the probability of picking black ball and having a Head in coin toss is 1/4 (we multiply both thats a math rule) bcos picking the ball event does not affect the coin toss event
you can pick black ball in first event and have Head or Tail in coin toss event
you can pick white ball in first event and have Head or Tail in coin toss event
simply outcome of first event doesn't affect second event
in our thread
kishimoto decides to write manga for 2-3 years and tsunade may live or die
kishimoto decides not to write manga or died(i hope not just hypothetically) and still tsuade may live or die (depending upon the assistant or editors who continues the manga)
so kishimoto's decision to write/not (unless kishimoto ubruptly ends the manga completely) doesn't affect other things mentioned
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Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.
There is more to Sakura than meets the eye. So at this point everything is possible
Never thought abaut the forehead thing :ghehe: thanks for pointing out
Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.
mind=blown.. how did she know about Shodai's wood tech? lol, but i read it all though.
its possible for a development but her only weakness is Sasuke!!
Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.
Originally Posted by YoItsJo
You know, it's because of her growth up til now that I've come to actually like Sakura. You call her useless; why? Can you tell me some good reasons, aside from her lack of screentime or the fact that she hasn't surpassed Tsunade yet? Not trying to step on anyone's toes, as I'm really not that fond of Sakura, but really: are you forgetting she hasn't had the same level of motivation as Naruto and Sasuke?
Naruto has gotten stronger to not only have people acknowledge him, as was his original goal, but also to save Sasuke, as well as the rest of his friends, fulfill promises he's made to his loved ones and ultimately to uphold peace/try to create peace. Sasuke, meanwhile, had something driving him to become strong and cunning from a very young age. He was led to believe it best to kill his brother, and so he trained constantly in order to grow stronger so he could one day take down his brother and avenge his family. He even chose to betray the people he cared about, break his bonds with them supposedly, in order to obtain power. And he did.
After the truth about Itachi was revealed, Sasuke got a new drive: anger. Pure hatred that, at one point, had driven him absolutely mad. He became evil, truly evil, but he had also become even stronger because of his desire to crush the Leaf. Even if he didn't gain strength for the right reasons, that doesn't matter.
You hear people say Naruto has surpassed Jiraiya and Sasuke has surpassed Orochimaru a lot; you don't hear them say the same thing about Sakura because she hasn't yet. She hasn't had the drive behind her, pushing her to. The reason to work so hard. But the fact that Kishimoto threw that in, especially so early on, means that there's a very good chance it will end up happening. So please, be patient and wait before you go bashing a character. The manga isn't even finished yet.
I quote this guy cause he is a true Naruto Fan. His words alone can best describe Sakura threads. And I must say what do you think?
Love the detail. It's gonna take a while to store the information in my head but subscribing to this thread is best. Thanks for the insight. Awesome fan as always!
Re: Sakura Haruno's possible character development.
Originally Posted by lin0x
woah..i never really knew this much about sakura...i know she was intellegent...but she is weak on terms of controlling emotions..
Appreciate your efforts in the thread..
Thanks!
Well, I tend to be one of those people who looks on the underneath, heheh.
Originally Posted by SoupAddicttt
Good job Chatte, you might actually be on to something.
Thank you! ^_^
Originally Posted by Samisa
Thank you i love sakura she is the best and will prove to everyone that she is a beast GO SAKURA!
You're welcome! Glad you like her ^_^
Well, the best or not, she does have true potential.
Originally Posted by Katkot
Sakura has abillity to become strong as tsunade
Well, the only problem I see is the Senju body, but surprisingly enough, she has shown great endurance when fighting with Sasori, even Sasori himself admitted that.
Maybe it's another foreshadowing? :shrug:
Originally Posted by theRPGdude
I quote this guy cause he is a true Naruto Fan. His words alone can best describe Sakura threads. And I must say what do you think?
Love the detail. It's gonna take a while to store the information in my head but subscribing to this thread is best. Thanks for the insight. Awesome fan as always!
I have seen that quote before heh, it's actually good for the upcoming Sakura thread I have.
Thank you!