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    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    Exactly. I don't like soccer, not even in the slightest bit. Mainly because I had a teacher in the past, that pretty much forced me and his class to watch La Liga 360 and other soccer related stuff.
    It is also because of him that I know some soccer teams and players. My teacher was a HUGE Real Madrid fan, so i know a lot about the team. I know of Iker Casillas, my teacher says he is the best goal keeper of all time. I know of Sergio Ramos, and Ronaldo. I know of there rivals Barcelona, who has Messi. I know of Valencia, who has David Villa and If my memory serves me correct, they are nick named the yellow submarines? I also know that these are called club teams. This information is about 3 years old however, so im not up to date.

    I also know some of the rules of soccer, as i played it for 2 years when i was a child.

    So I do think i have enough knowledge in both sports (seems like I know more about your football then you know of mine)
    that's not enough, you see Soccer is global wide sport almost every country have that as their number 1 Favorite sport, so you can easily recognize all the players truth be told the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo is a lot more famous than some Hollywood actors,

    by the way the team which called the yellow submarine is Villareal, Valencia nick name is El Che which mean The Bat, but i don't think you care about that,

    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    What do you mean music type changes every single year? Those artists i've mentioned have been on top of the charts for much longer then a single year.
    nah my bad what i mean is all type of music have their own age, like i said after that pardon my tardiness

    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    No I didn't, I didn't even know there was one. I was just going by the popularity of the character on this site. so how does that help prove your statement, that its a fact that your football is better then American Football because more people like it.
    not only cause more people like it, Soccer also gives people the Drama that no one ever expected, like a lot more WEAKER team win against unbelievably strong team, i guess you can't understand that so let me phrase it this way,
    Ten Ten can win against Edo Madara, that doesn't make any sense right ?, i can still go on about why Football is better, but am really tired right now, i only sleep for 2 hours since yesterday so i'll reply the rest tomorrow


    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    But there is a difference between an opinion and a fact.
    Some Examples:
    Fact: today the temperature is 22 degrees C.
    Opinion: Today it is mild to warm.

    Fact: Drink too much alcohol and you get drunk.
    Opinion: Alcohol is bad for society.

    Fact: Drinking alcohol diminishes driving ability.
    Opinion: Drunk drivers should be locked away.

    Fact: Japan condones the harvesting of whales.
    Opinion: Killing whales id bad.


    Do you see the difference? You can't argue against those facts, however you can argue against the opinions. The same applies with you saying your Football is better then American Football. It isn't a fact, it's an opinion.
    and the reason why today is mild warm is ? temperature is 22 degrees C.

    Alcohol is bad for society. why ? because if you were drunk you will get involve in all kinds of trouble

    see ? there are reason behind it, that's why its fact.............. it was derived from opinion and declare as a fact, nonetheless its fact but people still argue for it cause they are Alcohol addict even in some countries Alcoholic drink is part of their tradition, while the fact stated tt was not a good think, just like you here by denying that soccer is better just because you don't like it,

    at least do some explanation.......


    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    I already proved I know about soccer. I know the rules, I know how it is played, and I also know of teams and players.

    I would like to know what you know about football. You of which admitted you don't know any teams or players. So you can't even distinguish the good teams from the bad, which are the better games to watch, which players to look for, etc. So basically, your just blindly watching, without really even know whats fully going on.
    you see the moment you stated you don't like football it shows why you don't think football is better, at least i never insult American Football beside calling it hand egg (idk if you consider that as an insult) and also i enjoy the game i never hated it i like watching it,
    just because you know some team and players it doesn't mean you know the game, at least i understand whats going on in American football, its like saying one piece sucks while you only watch 2 episode out of 500++,

    that is why you can't explain why you think American Football is better than Soccer.............
    well i know some position in American Football li Quarter Back(the most important player in the game the control tower) we also have the same position in football its just they don't have the same name,

    in offense they have wide receiver,tight end and running back yes ?
    in defense they have that huge line made of Men i suppose the called defense line and the last line of defense is called linebacker yes ?
    they also have the kick team which kick the ball to start the game or score the field goal..........

    i also know that touchdown get 6 and they will get a chance to kick the ball in the goal which get 1 point but normal kick get 3 points yes ?
    by the what exactly they mean with First Down ? sometimes i see players get taken down and the referee said first down and the team player that got taken down will advance and make a new play in the place/line where the players got taken down.

    what i want to know is how it works ?
     
         
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    Re: Troll Football

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    that's not enough, you see Soccer is global wide sport almost every country have that as their number 1 Favorite sport, so you can easily recognize all the players truth be told the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo is a lot more famous than some Hollywood actors,
    Well that was just the main teams/players. I know some more, such as Chelsea, Liverpool, Etc. It still seems I know more about your football then you do of mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    not only cause more people like it, Soccer also gives people the Drama that no one ever expected, like a lot more WEAKER team win against unbelievably strong team, i guess you can't understand that so let me phrase it this way,
    Ten Ten can win against Edo Madara, that doesn't make any sense right ?, i can still go on about why Football is better, but am really tired right now, i only sleep for 2 hours since yesterday so i'll reply the rest tomorrow
    Do you really believe that only pertains to soccer? That applies with a lot of sports. A win comes down to who plays the better ball game, which is not in every case the better team.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    see ? there are reason behind it, that's why its fact.............. it was derived from opinion and declare as a fact, nonetheless its fact but people still argue for it cause they are Alcohol addict even in some countries Alcoholic drink is part of their tradition, while the fact stated tt was not a good think, just like you here by denying that soccer is better just because you don't like it,

    at least do some explanation.......
    You're still not seeing it. It isn't an opinion that it 22 degrees outside, it's either 22 degrees or its not. It isn't disputable. Again, there is no disputing if you drink a lot of alcohol, would you get drunk or not. There facts.

    However you can dispute whether its mildly warm. Just like you can dispute whether alcohol is bad for society. Why? Because they are opinions.

    Right now, you are trying to dispute with me whether Soccer or Football is better. Therefore it is not a fact.

    You can not argue/debate/dispute against a fact.

    Now on why I don't like soccer:
    It is boring to watch. The ball is for the most part, just being kicked back and fourth. Too simple.
    A lot of ties. Self explained.
    A lot of flopping. It gets very annoying.
    Low scoring. In most cases, a few goals a game...I find that boring.
    No hands. I much prefer the use of hands, if not the whole body for a sport.

    This is all my personal opinion, of course. But I really just don't see the excitement in soccer. Playing it occasionally can be sometimes fun though.


    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    you see the moment you stated you don't like football it shows why you don't think football is better, at least i never insult American Football beside calling it hand egg (idk if you consider that as an insult) and also i enjoy the game i never hated it i like watching it,
    just because you know some team and players it doesn't mean you know the game, at least i understand whats going on in American football, its like saying one piece sucks while you only watch 2 episode out of 500++,

    that is why you can't explain why you think American Football is better than Soccer.............
    well i know some position in American Football li Quarter Back(the most important player in the game the control tower) we also have the same position in football its just they don't have the same name,
    Of course me not liking soccer is a reason why I think football is better. I don't like hockey, racing, or golfing. Why? Because I do not enjoy playing it, nor watching it. It's just my own personal preference. My favorite sports to play and watch are Football, Basketball, and occasionally Baseball. That is why they are my favorite sports and much prefer them over the others.

    I played soccer for 2 years, I know how the game is played. If you really want me to explain, I will.

    And yes, calling football hand-egg was an insult. Otherwise, i would of never made a comment on this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    in offense they have wide receiver,tight end and running back yes ? Also a Quarterback and Offensive Line which is made up of a Center, Offensive guard, and Offensive tackle ( they protect the Quarterback)
    in defense they have that huge line made of Men i suppose the called defense line and the last line of defense is called linebacker yes ? The back of the defense is called the secondary, which is made up of Cornerbacks and Safetys
    they also have the kick team which kick the ball to start the game or score the field goal..........
    Its called special teams
    i also know that touchdown get 6 and they will get a chance to kick the ball in the goal which get 1 point but normal kick get 3 points yes ? Correct


    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    by the what exactly they mean with First Down ? sometimes i see players get taken down and the referee said first down and the team player that got taken down will advance and make a new play in the place/line where the players got taken down.

    what i want to know is how it works ?
    In order to get a First Down you need to gain 10 yards, either my running it or throwing it. You have 3 chances to get a First Down.

    For example: its 1rst & 10 (meaning you need another 10 yards to gain another first down) Say you gain 3 yards on the play, it is now 2nd & 7 (2nd down). Next play say you gain 5 yards, it is now 3rd & 2 (3rd down, and you need to gain 2 more yards for a First down) Now, if you get the 2 or more yards, It goes back to First Down and you have to repeat the process all over again until you get into the end zone.

    However if you fail to get the yards on 3rd down, it will become 4th down. You have 2 choices on 4th down. You can either kick it back to the other team, or risk it and go for it. If you go for it, and you get the necessary yards needed it will be 1rst Down again, and you keep the ball. If you fail to gain the first down, the other team gets the ball at the exact spot you are at.

    Let me know if you understood all of that.
     
         
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    Re: Troll Football

    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    Well that was just the main teams/players. I know some more, such as Chelsea, Liverpool, Etc. It still seems I know more about your football then you do of mine.
    knowing the team doesn't mean you know the sport, as i said earlier Soccer is famous it was a world wide sport, so even for a people who don't like Soccer they're bound to know what team that exist in Soccer,
    let alone the fact that you don't watch it

    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    Do you really believe that only pertains to soccer? That applies with a lot of sports. A win comes down to who plays the better ball game, which is not in every case the better team.
    @BOLD: that what happens when you never watch Soccer LOL the better team not always win, there are team that played like shit for 90 minutes/120 minutes yet still emerged as the victor

    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    You're still not seeing it. It isn't an opinion that it 22 degrees outside, it's either 22 degrees or its not. It isn't disputable. Again, there is no disputing if you drink a lot of alcohol, would you get drunk or not. There facts.

    However you can dispute whether its mildly warm. Just like you can dispute whether alcohol is bad for society. Why? Because they are opinions.

    Right now, you are trying to dispute with me whether Soccer or Football is better. Therefore it is not a fact.

    You can not argue/debate/dispute against a fact.
    am not tying to dispute it, am trying to tell you where it derives from. facts come from an opinion,
    that's what am trying to do right now

    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    Now on why I don't like soccer:
    It is boring to watch. The ball is for the most part, just being kicked back and fourth. Too simple.
    A lot of ties. Self explained.
    A lot of flopping. It gets very annoying.
    Low scoring. In most cases, a few goals a game...I find that boring.
    No hands. I much prefer the use of hands, if not the whole body for a sport.

    This is all my personal opinion, of course. But I really just don't see the excitement in soccer. Playing it occasionally can be sometimes fun though.
    that's because you only watch noob teams played each other, go watch el classico Real Madrid vs Barcelona and you'll see the emotion/tension/pride in it and what Soccer truly are, i dare you to call it too simple again, i mean Soccer is simple but the hardest thing is to play Soccer in a simple way,

    it looks like this low scoring matters only for Americans looking at how they Love Basketball, but the weird thing is the stadium always packed in every MLS match i wonder why............


    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    Of course me not liking soccer is a reason why I think football is better. I don't like hockey, racing, or golfing. Why? Because I do not enjoy playing it, nor watching it. It's just my own personal preference. My favorite sports to play and watch are Football, Basketball, and occasionally Baseball. That is why they are my favorite sports and much prefer them over the others.

    I played soccer for 2 years, I know how the game is played. If you really want me to explain, I will.

    And yes, calling football hand-egg was an insult. Otherwise, i would of never made a comment on this thread.
    then the logic is you don't like it then it means it sucks, good one, at least i have something to talk about American Football game and i enjoy it and now i know what 1st down is, not in the least i dislike it, that's different between you and me, while i like both sport you dislike one of them, thus make you explanation shall be bias no matter how you explain it, me in the other hand is the opposite




    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    In order to get a First Down you need to gain 10 yards, either my running it or throwing it. You have 3 chances to get a First Down.

    For example: its 1rst & 10 (meaning you need another 10 yards to gain another first down) Say you gain 3 yards on the play, it is now 2nd & 7 (2nd down). Next play say you gain 5 yards, it is now 3rd & 2 (3rd down, and you need to gain 2 more yards for a First down) Now, if you get the 2 or more yards, It goes back to First Down and you have to repeat the process all over again until you get into the end zone.

    However if you fail to get the yards on 3rd down, it will become 4th down. You have 2 choices on 4th down. You can either kick it back to the other team, or risk it and go for it. If you go for it, and you get the necessary yards needed it will be 1rst Down again, and you keep the ball. If you fail to gain the first down, the other team gets the ball at the exact spot you are at.

    Let me know if you understood all of that.
    OK thank you, i understand all of it
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    knowing the team doesn't mean you know the sport, as i said earlier Soccer is famous it was a world wide sport, so even for a people who don't like Soccer they're bound to know what team that exist in Soccer,
    let alone the fact that you don't watch it
    So you still don't think I understand the rules of the game and how it is played? As I've said if you want me to elaborate on that i will.

    And that isn't true. Before having my Real Madrid fanatic of a teacher, I literally knew nothing about soccer as far as players and teams. All I knew was David Beckum and Ronaldo. Having his class for a full year, is where I picked up a lot on the players, club teams, national teams, etc. Maybe what your saying pertains to people in Europe and such, but definitely not in the US, where soccer isn't even the 3rd most popular sport.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    @BOLD: that what happens when you never watch Soccer LOL the better team not always win, there are team that played like shit for 90 minutes/120 minutes yet still emerged as the victor
    Okay...didn't already address that, that doesn't only apply to soccer? My New York Knicks (Basketball) played a game a few days ago where they were down by at least 15 the whole game, and came back in the end, and won with a game winning 3 pointer.


    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    am not tying to dispute it, am trying to tell you where it derives from. facts come from an opinion,
    that's what am trying to do right now
    Okay well where the sport derived from is completely different then which is better, as you told its a fact that soccer is better then football. That is what i was addressing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    that's because you only watch noob teams played each other, go watch el classico Real Madrid vs Barcelona and you'll see the emotion/tension/pride in it and what Soccer truly are, i dare you to call it too simple again, i mean Soccer is simple but the hardest thing is to play Soccer in a simple way,

    it looks like this low scoring matters only for Americans looking at how they Love Basketball, but the weird thing is the stadium always packed in every MLS match i wonder why............
    Club teams from Spain are the main teams I know about. I have seen Real Vs Barca games, I have seen how intense the rivalry can get, but that doesn't change the rules of the game. I still find it simple, as the objective is still the same. But yes, those high tension games make it more exciting.

    Because some people enjoy watching soccer....? What is your point. I said it was my opinion. And you can't compare the amount of soccer fans to football fans in the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    then the logic is you don't like it then it means it sucks, good one, at least i have something to talk about American Football game and i enjoy it and now i know what 1st down is, not in the least i dislike it, that's different between you and me, while i like both sport you dislike one of them, thus make you explanation shall be bias no matter how you explain it, me in the other hand is the opposite
    No such logic. I don't like soccer, so it sucks to me. As I said a million times, its an opinion. Just like food, for example. If I personally don't like the way bananas taste, then I simply don't like it. That doesn't mean I think bananas are the worst fruit known to man. It's my taste in food, just like its my taste in sports.

    And lets be clear. You really must not watch too much football if you don't know of any teams or players, not even a first down!

    To dislike something you must first, try it. I watched soccer for a whole entire school year. I am much more familiar with it then you are with football.
     
         

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    Re: Troll Football

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    So you still don't think I understand the rules of the game and how it is played? As I've said if you want me to elaborate on that i will.

    And that isn't true. Before having my Real Madrid fanatic of a teacher, I literally knew nothing about soccer as far as players and teams. All I knew was David Beckum and Ronaldo. Having his class for a full year, is where I picked up a lot on the players, club teams, national teams, etc. Maybe what your saying pertains to people in Europe and such, but definitely not in the US, where soccer isn't even the 3rd most popular sport.
    LOL, you don't have to elaborate, Soccer rules is simple after all, its not hard to understand it,

    why its wrong ? in the 1st place you have Madrid fanatic fans over there(your teacher), that alone explain that Soccer is just that famous even in America and American Football can exist thanks to the Americans who love Soccer,
    it also apply in US, why do you think top club like Real Madrid,Barcelona and Manchester United go to US for pre season ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    Okay...didn't already address that, that doesn't only apply to soccer? My New York Knicks (Basketball) played a game a few days ago where they were down by at least 15 the whole game, and came back in the end, and won with a game winning 3 pointer.
    and the Knicks played a good game yes ? in Soccer there are team who played like shit in the entire game yet they still win, its different from basketball when any team actually have chance to win if the outplayed their opponent, in Soccer anything can happen,

    like last season when Barcelona lose against Chelsea despite having the opponent team 1 man down(cause of red card) and get a penalty that the missed and the control the game from the get go yet the still lose.....
    let me phrase it this way, Ten Ten can win against Madara despite having a grave injury and have no weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    Okay well where the sport derived from is completely different then which is better, as you told its a fact that soccer is better then football. That is what i was addressing.
    nah not like that, what am trying to say is, the fact that Soccer is better than American Football is derived from an opinion........




    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    Club teams from Spain are the main teams I know about. I have seen Real Vs Barca games, I have seen how intense the rivalry can get, but that doesn't change the rules of the game. I still find it simple, as the objective is still the same. But yes, those high tension games make it more exciting.

    Because some people enjoy watching soccer....? What is your point. I said it was my opinion. And you can't compare the amount of soccer fans to football fans in the US.
    if you don't mind tell me when did you watch all that Spanish club played, cause that league just recently get better..



    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    No such logic. I don't like soccer, so it sucks to me. As I said a million times, its an opinion. Just like food, for example. If I personally don't like the way bananas taste, then I simply don't like it. That doesn't mean I think bananas are the worst fruit known to man. It's my taste in food, just like its my taste in sports.

    And lets be clear. You really must not watch too much football if you don't know of any teams or players, not even a first down!

    To dislike something you must first, try it. I watched soccer for a whole entire school year. I am much more familiar with it then you are with football.
    not really, when i say i don't know any teams or player, what i mean with that is i only knew the famous one,
    such as NY Giants,Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles(idk if that team were famous i only knew them by the watching the game), and some old players like Deion Sanders and Joe Montana, you can't blame for not knowing more players and team cause American Football is hardly known over here like how Soccer is well known in USA........
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    LOL, you don't have to elaborate, Soccer rules is simple after all, its not hard to understand it,

    why its wrong ? in the 1st place you have Madrid fanatic fans over there(your teacher), that alone explain that Soccer is just that famous even in America and American Football can exist thanks to the Americans who love Soccer,
    it also apply in US, why do you think top club like Real Madrid,Barcelona and Manchester United go to US for pre season ?
    I mean... I don't see how one person being a huge Madrid fan justifies that soccer is famous in America. But of course theres a lot of soccer fans here, just like there is in any sport. Soccer is, I would say, the 4th most popular sport in America behind Football, Basketball, and Baseball.

    Speaking from what I have seen, either you like soccer or you don't. As the majority of people I know don't even know the slightest bit about soccer. That would also pertain to me had I not had that teacher.


    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    and the Knicks played a good game yes ? in Soccer there are team who played like shit in the entire game yet they still win, its different from basketball when any team actually have chance to win if the outplayed their opponent, in Soccer anything can happen,

    like last season when Barcelona lose against Chelsea despite having the opponent team 1 man down(cause of red card) and get a penalty that the missed and the control the game from the get go yet the still lose.....
    let me phrase it this way, Ten Ten can win against Madara despite having a grave injury and have no weapon
    Not really if they were down the whole game. But yeah that's because of the low scored games, am i correct? Of course its easy to come back with a win when goals are only worth one point and are rarely even achieved.


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    nah not like that, what am trying to say is, the fact that Soccer is better than American Football is derived from an opinion........
    Okay it is derived from an opinion, but what justifies it being a fact? I still don't believe you fully see the difference between a fact and opinion.

    It's like your trying to tell me apples are better then oranges, and it's a fact. What would justify that? As it's an opinion and depends on your own personal taste.


    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    if you don't mind tell me when did you watch all that Spanish club played, cause that league just recently get better..
    Like 2-3 years ago, and it didn't amuse me enough to continue watching after I completed the class.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    not really, when i say i don't know any teams or player, what i mean with that is i only knew the famous one,
    such as NY Giants,Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles(idk if that team were famous i only knew them by the watching the game), and some old players like Deion Sanders and Joe Montana, you can't blame for not knowing more players and team cause American Football is hardly known over here like how Soccer is well known in USA........
    That doesn't make much sense, if you ask me. I don't know any teams or players, but what I mean by that is I only know of the famous ones. Umm... Okay, LOL. Be more specific next time, because I find that hard to believe.

    @ BOLD - But as you claimed you know both sports, as I don't, so why make excuses? Even though Soccer is well known in the US, I had absolutely no knowledge of soccer other then the rules. I only learned more as I watched for a single school year. So if you truly watch and enjoy football as you claimed, you would first and formost know what a first down is, as that is the basics of football, and know more then 2-3 teams and players.
     
         

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    I mean... I don't see how one person being a huge Madrid fan justifies that soccer is famous in America. But of course theres a lot of soccer fans here, just like there is in any sport. Soccer is, I would say, the 4th most popular sport in America behind Football, Basketball, and Baseball.

    Speaking from what I have seen, either you like soccer or you don't. As the majority of people I know don't even know the slightest bit about soccer. That would also pertain to me had I not had that teacher.
    wait, am pretty sure Basketball is the most popular sport in USA, looking at how it spread across the world and gain popularity compared to American Football,


    you should stop looking from your own point of view for this matter, there's a hundred thousand of Soccer fans in USA or millions of them, let me tell something useful

    In 1994, the World Cup came to America.Played out during a four-week period under scorching summer temperatures, the 1994 World Cup brought the global game to the biggest and most demanding sports market in the world for the first time in its illustrious history: the United States.


    Would the World Cup, the biggest sporting event on the planet, be a success in the U.S.? Many had their doubts. The North American Soccer League went under in 1984 and with no major domestic league to replace it, soccer was relegated to the periphery of the American sporting conscience


    A World Cup on American soil, the soccer-hating critics said, would be a dismal failure with the roster of international stars, virtually unknown to the U.S. audience, destined to play before half-empty stadiums.

    How wrong they were.

    The 1994 tournament shattered World Cup records for total attendance (3,587,538 spectators) and average attendance per game (68,991) - Italy 1990 (2,517,348 total) and Brazil 1950 (60,773 average) were the previous record-holders. and the records still belong to the world cup in America at 1994..........


    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    Not really if they were down the whole game. But yeah that's because of the low scored games, am i correct? Of course its easy to come back with a win when goals are only worth one point and are rarely even achieved.
    they were down the whole game, 1-0 and after that their captain get a red card then the score sheet turn 2-0, and they made it 2-2 with buzzer beater goal in the last minute, thus make them qualify for 3-2 aggregate,

    did you really think its easy to score a goal in professional soccer match ? especially when they played away games and played against the best team in the world, scoring goal is not that easy compared to scoring touchdown in American football


    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    Okay it is derived from an opinion, but what justifies it being a fact? I still don't believe you fully see the difference between a fact and opinion.

    It's like your trying to tell me apples are better then oranges, and it's a fact. What would justify that? As it's an opinion and depends on your own personal taste.
    the fact that it was loved all over the globe, the fact that they have international tournament in every continent,
    the fact that they have professional league/Amateur/youth competition almost in every country, the fact that they have their OWN world cup tournament that involved almost all countries in the process,

    as far as i know they only played American Football in US,Canada and Japan, the Japanese manga artist actually tried to popularized American football in Asia by making Manga about American Football (like how Slam Dunk(Manga)help popularized Basketball in Asia) but he failed thought his manga is awesome it don't have the same effect lie Slam Dunk.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    Like 2-3 years ago, and it didn't amuse me enough to continue watching after I completed the class.

    ah 2 or 3 years ago is where Ronaldo and Messi start to compete each other according to the media..... no wonder you don't find it amusing because Soccer at that time and nowadays is sucks compared to 90's and early 2000, there is a declination in every famous team. the biggest reason is the crisis that storm the Europe and the arrival of sugar daddy(Arab Investor)whose pouring money endlessly to their team and hurt the other team financially and tactically by taking their best players.......



    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    That doesn't make much sense, if you ask me. I don't know any teams or players, but what I mean by that is I only know of the famous ones. Umm... Okay, LOL. Be more specific next time, because I find that hard to believe.

    @ BOLD - But as you claimed you know both sports, as I don't, so why make excuses? Even though Soccer is well known in the US, I had absolutely no knowledge of soccer other then the rules. I only learned more as I watched for a single school year. So if you truly watch and enjoy football as you claimed, you would first and formost know what a first down is, as that is the basics of football, and know more then 2-3 teams and players.
    what excuse ? i only tell you a fact that American is Hardly known in other country but America and Canada,
    its hard to keep with American Football in here, i only see it from time to time in ESPN and i hardly watched TV unless its a weekend(where soccer match commence), so its impressive for someone like me know something about some unknown sport from the US despite the country where i life know nothing about American Football,


    and i know what 1st down is but i don't know how it works..........
     
         

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    wait, am pretty sure Basketball is the most popular sport in USA, looking at how it spread across the world and gain popularity compared to American Football,
    No football is, it's known as "Americas sport". Also statistics say it is the most popular in America. I believe baseball was second. In the old days, Baseball was the most popular.


    you should stop looking from your own point of view for this matter, there's a hundred thousand of Soccer fans in USA or millions of them, let me tell something useful

    In 1994, the World Cup came to America.Played out during a four-week period under scorching summer temperatures, the 1994 World Cup brought the global game to the biggest and most demanding sports market in the world for the first time in its illustrious history: the United States.


    Would the World Cup, the biggest sporting event on the planet, be a success in the U.S.? Many had their doubts. The North American Soccer League went under in 1984 and with no major domestic league to replace it, soccer was relegated to the periphery of the American sporting conscience


    A World Cup on American soil, the soccer-hating critics said, would be a dismal failure with the roster of international stars, virtually unknown to the U.S. audience, destined to play before half-empty stadiums.

    How wrong they were.

    The 1994 tournament shattered World Cup records for total attendance (3,587,538 spectators) and average attendance per game (68,991) - Italy 1990 (2,517,348 total) and Brazil 1950 (60,773 average) were the previous record-holders. and the records still belong to the world cup in America at 1994..........


    That's pretty interesting, actually. However, I'm not surprised. It is America after all, one of the richest, if not the richest country (of that time) holds the record for most spectators at a world cup. I believe money is a big factor in those numbers, 3 million out of 300 million attended.
    @ Bold - Look at the hype in that sentence, a lot of people wanted to be part of the first World Cup in America...that is history. I hear there is a bid for the World Cup to be in the US in 2018, what exactly does it mean by bid?


    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    they were down the whole game, 1-0 and after that their captain get a red card then the score sheet turn 2-0, and they made it 2-2 with buzzer beater goal in the last minute, thus make them qualify for 3-2 aggregate,

    did you really think its easy to score a goal in professional soccer match ? especially when they played away games and played against the best team in the world, scoring goal is not that easy compared to scoring touchdown in American football
    I know how hard it is to score a goal, that is why I said it is rarely done. But that is also a reason why I find watching it boring.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    the fact that it was loved all over the globe, the fact that they have international tournament in every continent,
    the fact that they have professional league/Amateur/youth competition almost in every country, the fact that they have their OWN world cup tournament that involved almost all countries in the process,

    as far as i know they only played American Football in US,Canada and Japan, the Japanese manga artist actually tried to popularized American football in Asia by making Manga about American Football (like how Slam Dunk(Manga)help popularized Basketball in Asia) but he failed thought his manga is awesome it don't have the same effect lie Slam Dunk.
    LOL all your reasons have to do with its popularity. If your going to explain why Soccer is better then Football, state reasons that have to do with the sport itself, (i.e. rules, how it is played, intensity, rivalry, excitement, etc.) not because it is played in many different countries. If we were arguing which is the most popular sport, then those facts you have mentioned would be credible.

    It's like if we were debating who is the stronger character, and your using the characters popularity as a reason to who is stronger.

    @ Bold - That sounds like a terrible idea, what excitement is there in reading about a fictional sport series that pertains to nothing. Showing the games on TV, would be a much better alternative to popularizing it in other countries.


    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    ah 2 or 3 years ago is where Ronaldo and Messi start to compete each other according to the media..... no wonder you don't find it amusing because Soccer at that time and nowadays is sucks compared to 90's and early 2000, there is a declination in every famous team. the biggest reason is the crisis that storm the Europe and the arrival of sugar daddy(Arab Investor)whose pouring money endlessly to their team and hurt the other team financially and tactically by taking their best players.......
    @ Bold- LOLLL. So can you blame me?

    If that is the case, then the football league (Or whatever you call it) should put a salary cap on teams like the NFL does. The salary cap puts a maximum amount of money able to be spent for all teams to eliminate the richest teams from signing all of the best players. That way, it makes everything fair and more even.
     
         

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    That's pretty interesting, actually. However, I'm not surprised. It is America after all, one of the richest, if not the richest country (of that time) holds the record for most spectators at a world cup. I believe money is a big factor in those numbers, 3 million out of 300 million attended.
    @ Bold - Look at the hype in that sentence, a lot of people wanted to be part of the first World Cup in America...that is history. I hear there is a bid for the World Cup to be in the US in 2018, what exactly does it mean by bid?
    that mean the US nominate their country to become the host for World cup in 2018 and the representative should give a presentation about their facilities such as Stadium/Training Pitch,Transportation, Ticketing system, and the team accommodation, but unfortunately they lose against Russia in the final election.........


    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    LOL all your reasons have to do with its popularity. If your going to explain why Soccer is better then Football, state reasons that have to do with the sport itself, (i.e. rules, how it is played, intensity, rivalry, excitement, etc.) not because it is played in many different countries. If we were arguing which is the most popular sport, then those facts you have mentioned would be credible.

    It's like if we were debating who is the stronger character, and your using the characters popularity as a reason to who is stronger.
    there is no need to argue about which one is more popular cause its kinda obvious, if i were to explain all that, then it will take forever cause even from the statement above about the sport is played in almost every country explain that Soccer Intensity and excitement is beyond normal, and don't even talk about rivalry because in Soccer people can die because of that LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    @ Bold - That sounds like a terrible idea, what excitement is there in reading about a fictional sport series that pertains to nothing. Showing the games on TV, would be a much better alternative to popularizing it in other countries.
    well it works for Basket Ball and help the sport become the 2nd most Popular sport in the world, so it worth to give it a try, and the manga is not that bad i actually like it and the sales is also very high for unusual sport in Asia, the manga name Eyeshield 21 you should give it a try if you loved American Football so much, the main character played as running back



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    @ Bold- LOLLL. So can you blame me?

    If that is the case, then the football league (Or whatever you call it) should put a salary cap on teams like the NFL does. The salary cap puts a maximum amount of money able to be spent for all teams to eliminate the richest teams from signing all of the best players. That way, it makes everything fair and more even.
    i don't blame you, you just watched Soccer in the wrong time, the best of soccer is actually exist in 90's and early 2000, when player like Zidane and Ronaldo (not Cristiano) still played along with other top class footballer,
    especially this Zidane dude, when he's on the pitch he can change the flow of the game and make everyone look good/played good,

    they did try to do that but it was put on hold till now cause Arabs got the power LOL
     
         

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    there is no need to argue about which one is more popular cause its kinda obvious, if i were to explain all that, then it will take forever cause even from the statement above about the sport is played in almost every country explain that Soccer Intensity and excitement is beyond normal, and don't even talk about rivalry because in Soccer people can die because of that LOL
    Exactly my point. Everything you brought up was popularity base, I can't argue against that because the fact is soccer is more popular. And that is why I didn't want to argue which one was the better sport as it would be an endless debate of which none of us would admit the other being better. It goes back to why I say its opinion based.

    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    i don't blame you, you just watched Soccer in the wrong time, the best of soccer is actually exist in 90's and early 2000, when player like Zidane and Ronaldo (not Cristiano) still played along with other top class footballer,
    especially this Zidane dude, when he's on the pitch he can change the flow of the game and make everyone look good/played good,

    they did try to do that but it was put on hold till now cause Arabs got the power LOL
    How do a group of people have the power to overrule the rules of a sport? To me that sounds like a major issue in the football league. To be honest, I am glad the NFL is only in the US, so we don't have to deal with shit like that.
     
         

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    LOL, I can't believe you two are still going back and forth.

    I think we can all agree that Football(soccer) is the most popular sport in the world. However, neither is the "better" sport because that is completely opinion based.
     
         

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    oh... I thought you guys were talking about American football :/ never mind
     
         

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    LOL, I can't believe you two are still going back and forth.

    I think we can all agree that Football(soccer) is the most popular sport in the world. However, neither is the "better" sport because that is completely opinion based.
    That is what I've been saying the whole time.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi View Post
    insignificant ? spare me the BS, everyone goes for the touchdown, they could care less about the field goal,
    all sport involved FOOT like swimming,tennis and many more but they don't call it football, what i mean don't involved is they don't use that as the main thing in the sport, they use their hands to pass and to carry the ball they don't dribble the ball, well of course they can't dribble it cause it ain't ball,

    then why would you call it soccer when its originally called FOOTBALL ?, saying your hand egg is football while calling the real FOOTBALL soccer is the real ignorance.....



    blame the dude who come to this thread and post "football? ?? soccer?"w
    doesn't give you an excuse to hate on Football... I could rant all day about how I dislike soccer and its fans but I don't out respect for the rest of the world
     
         

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    oh... I thought you guys were talking about American football :/ never mind
    LOL they are. That and Association football (soccer).

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    That is what I've been saying the whole time.
    I know ^_^ I've even said it in a couple of posts. I just thought I'd attempt an explination again to see if it sinks in.
     
         

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    Exactly my point. Everything you brought up was popularity base, I can't argue against that because the fact is soccer is more popular. And that is why I didn't want to argue which one was the better sport as it would be an endless debate of which none of us would admit the other being better. It goes back to why I say its opinion based.
    so this is where the problem huh ? am not trying to make you admit that Soccer is better am just trying to tell you that why i think Soccer is better, in the 1st place i can't change your mind with a mere post in a forum like this, but if we actually know each other and life in the same place then i can change your mind LOL


    Quote Originally Posted by Forbidden Technique View Post
    How do a group of people have the power to overrule the rules of a sport? To me that sounds like a major issue in the football league. To be honest, I am glad the NFL is only in the US, so we don't have to deal with shit like that.
    they have the money so they are in control, they don't actually overrule the sport rules they just can make a drastic change,like make a noob/trash team into a Champions with world class players and coach,

    well maybe because they don't know a thing about NFL just hope that they never learn about how profitable NFL could be.

    Quote Originally Posted by -Stryker- View Post
    doesn't give you an excuse to hate on Football... I could rant all day about how I dislike soccer and its fans but I don't out respect for the rest of the world
    i suppose you only read the synopsis of the book and decide to make a rant,
     
         

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