Tobirama Senju vs Tsunade, Kakashi and Gai

[Omnipotent]

I was just wondering. Not the weakened Edo Tensei version of Tobirama, I'm talking about the real deal that sacrificed himself against the Kinkaku Force. Also, when concerning Gai and Kakashi, I'm talking about the now-Kage level ninja who are fighting Obito.

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

We know almost nothing about Tobirama. Team Tsunade takes this low diff.

[Omnipotent]

We know almost nothing about Tobirama. Team Tsunade takes this low diff.

Thanks for replying, I respect your opinion. However, wasn't he second-best of the Senju clan, the clan that was rivaled only by the Uchiha? The fact that he has combination jutsu with his brother means that he had to have been somewhere near the level of his brother (though not exactly on par), right?

[Icelerate]

I was just wondering. Not the weakened Edo Tensei version of Tobirama, I'm talking about the real deal that sacrificed himself against the Kinkaku Force. Also, when concerning Gai and Kakashi, I'm talking about the now-Kage level ninja who are fighting Obito.

No you're not. You're talking about Kakashi and Gai who are fighting a ninja beyond kage level. Kakashi and Gai are both kage level ninjas. No matter if Tobirama is stronger than them individually, he isn't beating three kage level ninjas by themselves unless we learn something about Tobirama being as strong as Hashirama or Madara.

[Omnipotent]

No you're not. You're talking about Kakashi and Gai who are fighting a ninja beyond kage level. Kakashi and Gai are both kage level ninjas. No matter if Tobirama is stronger than them individually, he isn't beating three kage level ninjas by themselves unless we learn something about Tobirama being as strong as Hashirama or Madara.

Oh man, you got me there. I said "now-Kage level" to avoid the discussion being on whether or not Kakashi and Gai are Kage-level ninja, which I have seen. In my opinion, from what's been shown recently, Kakashi and Gai are undisputed Kage-level ninja.

But to make multiple combination jutsu with his brother, he must have been somewhere around Hashirama's level. This is one of the reasons why I believe Tobirama is also beyond Kage level (and prime Hiruzen, at that). In addition, he can most certainly drown the three, correct?

[Simple Math]

and team 2 win.

[Omnipotent]

and team 2 win.

Why? Also, please leave a vote on the poll .

[Simple Math]

we still need to know more about Tobirama.. going by what i've seen, Gai could simply just go 7th gate while Kakashi backs him up with kamui.

[Omnipotent]

we still need to know more about Tobirama.. going by what i've seen, Gai could simply just go 7th gate while Kakashi backs him up with kamui.

So are you saying that because we know not too much about Tobirama you're assuming that he would lose? That could be the same reasoning for why someone could think he would win, you know :D. But thanks for voting.

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Hashirama was the strongest Senju.
Maybe Tobirama was the 2nd strongest Senju.
And obviously Tsunade is the 3rd strongest Senju.

Now lets see this fight:

The 2nd strongest Senju vs the 3rd strongest Senju and 2 Kage level Shinobi

Honestly, do you believe that Tobirama can win?

[Omnipotent]

Hashirama was the strongest Senju.
Maybe Tobirama was the 2nd strongest Senju.
And obviously Tsunade is the 3rd strongest Senju.

Now lets see this fight:

The 2nd strongest Senju vs the 3rd strongest Senju and 2 Kage level Shinobi

Honestly, do you believe that Tobirama can win?

I doubt that Tsunade is the 3rd strongest. ... At LEAST one of these people (other than Hashirama and Tobirama) had to be equal to or stronger than Tsunade to make the Senju clan great enough to rival the Uchiha. From what it seems, the Senju clan were not too great in numbers (how'd they die out so quickly?), so they must have made up for the lack of numbers with sheer power.

So are you saying that Tobirama absolutely cannot drown the three?

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

I doubt that Tsunade is the 3rd strongest. ... At LEAST one of these people (other than Hashirama and Tobirama) had to be equal to or stronger than Tsunade to make the Senju clan great enough to rival the Uchiha. From what it seems, the Senju clan were not too great in numbers (how'd they die out so quickly?), so they must have made up for the lack of numbers with sheer power.

So are you saying that Tobirama absolutely cannot drown the three?

Naah, we dont even know who are these people
But we know that Tsunade is half Senju, half Uzumaki, she is a Sannin and a Kage. I think this is enogh to presume that she is the 3rd Strongest Senju.

[Omnipotent]

Naah, we dont even know who are these people
But we know that Tsunade half Senju, half Uzumaki, she is a Sannin and a Kage. I think this is enogh to think that she is the 3rd Strongest Senju.

Yes, but chances are to make the Senju clan so immensely powerful, at least one other person would have had to been Kage-level. In fact, I doubt any of them in that picture are mere Jounin-level. Gaara was a Kage too, and he was beaten by Deidara, so I don't see your point (unless you're saying Deidara is Kage-level).

Once again, he can drown them.

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Yes, but chances are to make the Senju clan so immensely powerful, at least one other person would have had to been Kage-level. In fact, I doubt any of them in that picture are mere Jounin-level. Gaara was a Kage too, and he was beaten by Deidara, so I don't see your point (1. unless you're saying Deidara is Kage-level).

2. Once again, he can drown them.

1. Yes, he is Kage level. ( low Kage)
2. By hype yes, by feats no.

[Omnipotent]

1. Yes, he is Kage level. ( low Kage)
2. By hype yes, by feats no.

1. So what would that make Sasuke at that point after defeating Deidara?
2. Just because he hasn't been shown to do that AS OF YET does not mean that he absolutely cannot do that.

Nidaime Hokage vs Godaime Hokage and 2 top Jounin = Nidaime win.

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

1. So what would that make Sasuke at that point after defeating Deidara?
2. Just because he hasn't been shown to do that AS OF YET does not mean that he absolutely cannot do that.

Nidaime Hokage vs Godaime Hokage and 2 top Jounin = Nidaime win.

1. Sasuke is a main character, this is why he won.
2. Now I ask a question: Can Tsunade defeat Hashirama? If your answer is no, my answer is: " Just because she hasn't been shown to do that AS OF YET does not mean that she absolutely cannot do that. "

[Omnipotent]

1. Sasuke is a main character, this is why he won.
2. Now I ask a question: Can Tsunade defeat Hashirama? If your answer is no, my answer is: " Just because she hasn't been shown to do that AS OF YET does not mean that she absolutely cannot do that. "

1. Plot No Jutsu?
2. There's a difference between those questions. There are feats from both characters to disprove that. Nothing says that Tobirama can't do that, and because he is revered as the greatest known Suiton manipulator in the series, it is presumed that he can.

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

1. Plot No Jutsu?
2. There's a difference between those questions. There are feats from both characters to disprove that. Nothing says that Tobirama can't do that, and because he is revered as the greatest known Suiton manipulator in the series, it is presumed that he can.

What can the Suiton do against 3 Kage level ninja? Gay defeated Kisame, Kakashi defeated Zabuza.They were both great Suiton users.
And Tsunade can regenerate herself.
But I think I just quit, this was enough for today.

[SilverSlick]

Team 2 low difficulty. All of them can possibly solo with how much info we have on Tobirama.

[Omnipotent]

What can the Suiton do against 3 Kage level ninja? Gay defeated Kisame, Kakashi defeated Zabuza.They were both great Suiton users.
And Tsunade can regenerate herself.
But I think I just quit, this was enough for today.

Do you really think they were on par with Tobirama, however? Tobirama is comparable to his brother based on Suiton mastery alone.

[Omnipotent]

Team 2 low difficulty. All of them can possibly solo with how much info we have on Tobirama.

Well, with even you saying that, I guess I give up.

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Well, with even you saying that, I guess I give up.

Finally. xD

But do not be dissapointed, Tobirama is a very strong and cool character. Maybe one day Kishi reveals his abilities.

[Omnipotent]

Finally. xD

But do not be dissapointed, Tobirama is a very strong and cool character. Maybe one day Kishi reveals his abilities.

Maybe. He's my favorite, mostly because we know nothing about his abilities even though he was Hokage.

[USSJ Future Trunks]

loooool massacre. tsunade alone is enough let alone two people above her. kakashis kamui outmatches any s/t tobirama had

Tobirama is comparable to his brother based on Suiton mastery alone

wheres this stated? oh yeah you made that up out of your ass

and because he is revered as the greatest known Suiton manipulator in the series, it is presumed that he can.

where? show me a manga link of him being revered like that. wait you cant. meaning you made that up out of your ass

[Chatte]

With the shown feats, he has nothing to do to them.
Imagine only this.

Kakashi and Gai on the front line, Tsunade as a medic, here.

Gai can easily go Gates mode as Tsunade can pour her Byakugo on him so Gai cannot take any damage.
And if you as yourself if that's possible, yes it is.
Byakugo is an extension of Sozo Saisei which we know it can be poured into another host.

Then we have Kakashi. Tsunade does the same to him so he will not feel any fatigue from using Sharingan.

This is Team 2 without any difficulty, unfortunately, from what we've seen of Tobirama.

And against the Water they can simply gather some chakra in their feet and that's it.