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    So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    The reason i made this thread is because people claim PS is an EMS jutsu. for my thoughts on that:

    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=272628

    most claimed that PS is an EMS technique

    before i start, there are some things i would like to point out. this is something i found on the net on other forum.

    Observations:

    (1) When Madara used his sent out his normal Susanoo, his eye assumed a normal EMS form.

    (2) He could not use Rinnegan Preta Path to absorb Jinton while his EMS was activated, since his Rinnegan was not activated.

    (3) Also previously, he has to switch to the Rinnegan before he could absorb Jinton. Of which, Susanoo dissipated when he did it.

    (4) When he switched to the Rinnegan, his perfect Susanoo form was shown.

    (5) Therefore I believe that the Rinnegan and the EMS are mutually exclusive of each other, AND the Susanoo Perfect form is actually a Rinnegan power, but it is probably usable only by people with BOTH the Rinnegan, and all previously unlocked stages of the sharingan.

    Hmmm I am not sure, but maybe I might be wrong on some parts. The Rinnegan was used together with Susanoo with that meteorite jutsu. Perhaps it's usable with Susanoo, but not with the other Rinnegan jutsus if EMS is employed?

    Conversely, the EMS was used for genjutsu. Perhaps the Rinnegan had no such



    When madara first activated Susanoo, he had his EMS.



    then when he activated PS. he had his rinnegan.



    http://i30.mangareader.net/naruto/58...to-3353607.jpg

    http://i13.mangareader.net/naruto/58...to-3353609.jpg

    now people may say that it is because he already had rinnegan when he activated PS but then why does he change back to his EMS when he uses a genjutsu on A.



    the last thing is that madara could not use susanoo when using preta path and vice versa



    he says that the susanoo were not fast enough to avoid the jinton but why not absorb it? because he could not.


    in my other thread i stated that PS was not exactly an rinnegan tech but an EMS tech greatly improved by senju DNA. the combination of the the uchiha's powerful chakra and spiritual energy and the senju's life force and physical energy.

    but according to other people, i am wrong and only EMS is needed.

    but i thought about something when madara first uses his PS he refers to this as his full power, so if this is true then that means that EMS is stronger than the Rinnegan? and in my eyes, thats absolutely wrong...
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    It is is an EMS justsu, I doubt you need Rinnegan for it
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Madara already said he had it in his fight with hashirama and he only had ems back then.
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Akatsuki wise guy View Post
    Madara already said he had it in his fight with hashirama and he only had ems back then.
    I don't believe you.. Never did he say that. If your referring to Tsunade saying "My grandfather fought against this?" then you are delusional. She only assumed. At the time she said that, Madara was using his Rinnegan.
     
         
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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    then answer the question guys. madara said PS is his full power.

    SO is EMS stronger than rinnegan?
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Namikaze Haru View Post
    The reason i made this thread is because people claim PS is an EMS jutsu. for my thoughts on that:

    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=272628

    most claimed that PS is an EMS technique

    before i start, there are some things i would like to point out. this is something i found on the net on other forum.

    Observations:

    (1) When Madara used his sent out his normal Susanoo, his eye assumed a normal EMS form.

    (2) He could not use Rinnegan Preta Path to absorb Jinton while his EMS was activated, since his Rinnegan was not activated.

    (3) Also previously, he has to switch to the Rinnegan before he could absorb Jinton. Of which, Susanoo dissipated when he did it.

    (4) When he switched to the Rinnegan, his perfect Susanoo form was shown.

    (5) Therefore I believe that the Rinnegan and the EMS are mutually exclusive of each other, AND the Susanoo Perfect form is actually a Rinnegan power, but it is probably usable only by people with BOTH the Rinnegan, and all previously unlocked stages of the sharingan.

    Hmmm I am not sure, but maybe I might be wrong on some parts. The Rinnegan was used together with Susanoo with that meteorite jutsu. Perhaps it's usable with Susanoo, but not with the other Rinnegan jutsus if EMS is employed?

    Conversely, the EMS was used for genjutsu. Perhaps the Rinnegan had no such



    When madara first activated Susanoo, he had his EMS.



    then when he activated PS. he had his rinnegan.



    http://i30.mangareader.net/naruto/58...to-3353607.jpg

    http://i13.mangareader.net/naruto/58...to-3353609.jpg

    now people may say that it is because he already had rinnegan when he activated PS but then why does he change back to his EMS when he uses a genjutsu on A.



    the last thing is that madara could not use susanoo when using preta path and vice versa



    he says that the susanoo were not fast enough to avoid the jinton but why not absorb it? because he could not.


    in my other thread i stated that PS was not exactly an rinnegan tech but an EMS tech greatly improved by senju DNA. the combination of the the uchiha's powerful chakra and spiritual energy and the senju's life force and physical energy.

    but according to other people, i am wrong and only EMS is needed.

    but i thought about something when madara first uses his PS he refers to this as his full power, so if this is true then that means that EMS is stronger than the Rinnegan? and in my eyes, thats absolutely wrong...
    I had tried to prove this a month ago or something, everyone bashed me for it bro. Clearly PS is a Rinnegan technique.
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke082594 View Post
    I had tried to prove this a month ago or something, everyone bashed me for it bro. Clearly PS is a Rinnegan technique.
    im with u man
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    JJust posting here for nothin
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    without EMS no rinnegan so this is sh*t
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by PainTotheEarth View Post
    without EMS no rinnegan so this is sh*t
    No? Obito doesn't have EMS Only person who had both is Madara, and Nagato doesn't have EMS either. The only thing that was said is that you need Uchiha and Senju DNA to have Rinnegan
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by oShux View Post
    No? Obito doesn't have EMS Only person who had both is Madara, and Nagato doesn't have EMS either. The only thing that was said is that you need Uchiha and Senju DNA to have Rinnegan
    i mean no sharingan o rinnegan.. because yo can have senju DNA sure... but just like hashirama no rinnegan because no sharingan..
    nagaot got it from madara and obito from nagato but if they both didnt take it. nagato had NEVER had it.. then only obito needs EMS to rinnegan
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    ehh both are good lol.
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Namikaze Haru View Post
    The reason i made this thread is because people claim PS is an EMS jutsu. for my thoughts on that:

    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=272628

    most claimed that PS is an EMS technique

    before i start, there are some things i would like to point out. this is something i found on the net on other forum.

    Observations:

    (1) When Madara used his sent out his normal Susanoo, his eye assumed a normal EMS form.

    (2) He could not use Rinnegan Preta Path to absorb Jinton while his EMS was activated, since his Rinnegan was not activated.

    (3) Also previously, he has to switch to the Rinnegan before he could absorb Jinton. Of which, Susanoo dissipated when he did it.

    (4) When he switched to the Rinnegan, his perfect Susanoo form was shown.

    (5) Therefore I believe that the Rinnegan and the EMS are mutually exclusive of each other, AND the Susanoo Perfect form is actually a Rinnegan power, but it is probably usable only by people with BOTH the Rinnegan, and all previously unlocked stages of the sharingan.

    Hmmm I am not sure, but maybe I might be wrong on some parts. The Rinnegan was used together with Susanoo with that meteorite jutsu. Perhaps it's usable with Susanoo, but not with the other Rinnegan jutsus if EMS is employed?

    Conversely, the EMS was used for genjutsu. Perhaps the Rinnegan had no such



    When madara first activated Susanoo, he had his EMS.



    then when he activated PS. he had his rinnegan.



    http://i30.mangareader.net/naruto/58...to-3353607.jpg

    http://i13.mangareader.net/naruto/58...to-3353609.jpg

    now people may say that it is because he already had rinnegan when he activated PS but then why does he change back to his EMS when he uses a genjutsu on A.



    the last thing is that madara could not use susanoo when using preta path and vice versa



    he says that the susanoo were not fast enough to avoid the jinton but why not absorb it? because he could not.


    in my other thread i stated that PS was not exactly an rinnegan tech but an EMS tech greatly improved by senju DNA. the combination of the the uchiha's powerful chakra and spiritual energy and the senju's life force and physical energy.

    but according to other people, i am wrong and only EMS is needed.

    but i thought about something when madara first uses his PS he refers to this as his full power, so if this is true then that means that EMS is stronger than the Rinnegan? and in my eyes, thats absolutely wrong...


    Perfect Susanoo is a MS tech. Both Itachi and Sasuke has shown it. (The one with the long nose and jewel). The Perfect Susanoo stablized that can cut a mountain is exclusive to Madara and Itachi and Sasuke dont have it. It has nothing to do with Rinnegan.

    Hey guys have you noticed something? Sasuke is adept with Amaterasu (can form it any way he wants). Itachi si adept with Tsukuyomi (can control time and space freely). Madara is adept with Susanoo (HUGE as **** and stabilized.) Wierd huh?
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Encon Uchiha View Post
    Perfect Susanoo is a MS tech. Both Itachi and Sasuke has shown it. (The one with the long nose and jewel). The Perfect Susanoo stablized that can cut a mountain is exclusive to Madara and Itachi and Sasuke dont have it. It has nothing to do with Rinnegan.

    Hey guys have you noticed something? Sasuke is adept with Amaterasu (can form it any way he wants). Itachi si adept with Tsukuyomi (can control time and space freely). Madara is adept with Susanoo (HUGE as **** and stabilized.) Wierd huh?
    As i can recall, there is only Susano'o and apparently a Perfect Susano'o. Itachi and Sasuke both have Susano'o(EMS or MS doesn't matter), and Madara has PS due to him having the Rinnegan.
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simple Math View Post
    show me a manga scan with Itachi/Sasuke using perfect susanoo.
    What he said.
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simple Math View Post
    show me a manga scan with Itachi/Sasuke using perfect susanoo.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke082594 View Post
    As i can recall, there is only Susano'o and apparently a Perfect Susano'o. Itachi and Sasuke both have Susano'o(EMS or MS doesn't matter), and Madara has PS due to him having the Rinnegan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke082594 View Post
    What he said.
    Sasuke perfect Susanoo '


    Itachi perfect Susanoo


    Madara perfect Susanoo


    Madara perfect Susanoo (chakra stabilized)


    I hope that helps guys. Madaras is bigger because he is adept at Susanoo and was known to have one of the most powerful chakras in Narutoverse. The stabilized version is only exclusize to Madara though.

    i have extensive knowledge about Susanoo and prolly will explain it all in a thread later but right now i gotta go to class,i can maybe reply there but it wil be hard
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Encon Uchiha View Post
    Sasuke perfect Susanoo '


    Itachi perfect Susanoo


    Madara perfect Susanoo


    Madara perfect Susanoo (chakra stabilized)


    I hope that helps guys. Madaras is bigger because he is adept at Susanoo and was known to have one of the most powerful chakras in Narutoverse. The stabilized version is only exclusize to Madara though.

    i have extensive knowledge about Susanoo and prolly will explain it all in a thread later but right now i gotta go to class,i can maybe reply there but it wil be hard
    So here you tell me that Itachi(MS user) has PS just because of the pointed nose? Yet Sasuke(EMS user) has PS, but doesn't even have a pointed nose? This actually proves that Madara's PS is only a Rinnegan technique, it's perfect due to it being completely mobile, as in arms and legs. When SM Naruto attacked EMS Madara with multiple giant Rasengans why did he bring up PS?
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke082594 View Post
    So here you tell me that Itachi(MS user) has PS just because of the pointed nose? Yet Sasuke(EMS user) has PS, but doesn't even have a pointed nose? This actually proves that Madara's PS is only a Rinnegan technique, it's perfect due to it being completely mobile, as in arms and legs. When SM Naruto attacked EMS Madara with multiple giant Rasengans why did he bring up PS?
    Itachi and Sasuke have COMPLETE Susanoo's not Perfect ones
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke082594 View Post
    So here you tell me that Itachi(MS user) has PS just because of the pointed nose? Yet Sasuke(EMS user) has PS, but doesn't even have a pointed nose? This actually proves that Madara's PS is only a Rinnegan technique, it's perfect due to it being completely mobile, as in arms and legs. When SM Naruto attacked EMS Madara with multiple giant Rasengans why did he bring up PS?
    The only difference that we know of of MS and EMS ais that if you have EMS, you dont go blind. THATS IT. It was never stated that to get PS u need EMS NEVER. We havnt seen anything diff from Sasukes Susanoo from MS to EMS other than its hood around it turned into a beak representing Sasukes Hawk persona and Amaterasu covering his arrows so hes just using Kagutsscuchi.

    We dont know if PS chakra stabilized is Rinnegan or not but i think its not. Why? because it looks like thats not the first time Madara used that Susanoo and he looks adept with it. HE unlocked Rinnegan shortly before death and didnt have any time to train with it so how cud he pull out PS chakra stabilized with no much knowledge of Rinnegan? Same as how He never used Hashiramas wood jutsu before getting esurrected. He says "let me try something" and uses Hashiramas wood jutsu,hes never used it before but knows how it works because hes seen Hashirama use it. He knows the seals but he didnt have the dna.

    The only Rinnegan jutsu he used was Preta path and that was in dire situation which we all know is when people unlock hidden potential. Why doesnt he use all other Rinnegan tchs? because hes not adept with it,he never had time to train with it. Unlike Ngato who had it since he was like 8-9.
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Encon Uchiha View Post
    Sasuke perfect Susanoo '


    Itachi perfect Susanoo


    Madara perfect Susanoo


    Madara perfect Susanoo (chakra stabilized)


    I hope that helps guys. Madaras is bigger because he is adept at Susanoo and was known to have one of the most powerful chakras in Narutoverse. The stabilized version is only exclusize to Madara though.

    i have extensive knowledge about Susanoo and prolly will explain it all in a thread later but right now i gotta go to class,i can maybe reply there but it wil be hard
    Itachi and Sasuke have Complete Susano'o, not Perfect.

    So until shown otherwise, we can safely assume Perfect Susano'o is Rinnegan Tech.
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatte View Post
    Itachi and Sasuke have Complete Susano'o, not Perfect.

    So until shown otherwise, we can safely assume Perfect Susano'o is Rinnegan Tech.
    Read my post above. Susanoo is from Mangekyou ,not Rinnegan, if it was a Rinnegan technique, Nagato the best user of Rinnegan would've used it.

    Madara's is Perfect (chakra stabilized). Itachi's and Sasuke's are Perfect unstabilized .

    Im not replying to any more comments until someone can respond with a logical explanation why they think Rinnegan is EMS tech.
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatte View Post
    Itachi and Sasuke have Complete Susano'o, not Perfect.

    So until shown otherwise, we can safely assume Perfect Susano'o is Rinnegan Tech.
    In case you forgot lol
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatte View Post
    Itachi and Sasuke have Complete Susano'o, not Perfect.

    So until shown otherwise, we can safely assume Perfect Susano'o is Rinnegan Tech.
    that's like saying their Susanoo are new and Madara's is fresh or vice versa

    complete = perfect. they have the exact same meaning. there's absolutely no difference. Kishi uses the terms interchangeably, in fact the only reason you know it as "perfect" is because that's how the translator chose to phrase it.

    Madara's Susanoo is complete and Itachi and Sasuke's are perfect.
    Madara and Itachi's Susanoo are perfect, Sasuke's is complete.


    Itachi, Sasuke and Madara all have final stage Susanoo's.
    Madara's is only larger and stabilized (optional)
     
         

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    Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Encon Uchiha View Post
    Sasuke perfect Susanoo '


    Itachi perfect Susanoo


    Madara perfect Susanoo


    Madara perfect Susanoo (chakra stabilized)


    I hope that helps guys. Madaras is bigger because he is adept at Susanoo and was known to have one of the most powerful chakras in Narutoverse. The stabilized version is only exclusize to Madara though.

    i have extensive knowledge about Susanoo and prolly will explain it all in a thread later but right now i gotta go to class,i can maybe reply there but it wil be hard
    Acutally i dont think its considered perfect suasnoo until the chakra is stabilized
     
         

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