So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

[Turson]

Thank you! Complete Susano'o=PS? No it doesn't. Can they use PS? No. Why/ They don't have Rinnegan.

Only, PS is EMS jutsu, not Rinnegan jutsu.

[Encon Uchiha]

So here you tell me that Itachi(MS user) has PS just because of the pointed nose? Yet Sasuke(EMS user) has PS, but doesn't even have a pointed nose? This actually proves that Madara's PS is only a Rinnegan technique, it's perfect due to it being completely mobile, as in arms and legs. When SM Naruto attacked EMS Madara with multiple giant Rasengans why did he bring up PS?

The only difference that we know of of MS and EMS ais that if you have EMS, you dont go blind. THATS IT. It was never stated that to get PS u need EMS NEVER. We havnt seen anything diff from Sasukes Susanoo from MS to EMS other than its hood around it turned into a beak representing Sasukes Hawk persona and Amaterasu covering his arrows so hes just using Kagutsscuchi.

We dont know if PS chakra stabilized is Rinnegan or not but i think its not. Why? because it looks like thats not the first time Madara used that Susanoo and he looks adept with it. HE unlocked Rinnegan shortly before death and didnt have any time to train with it so how cud he pull out PS chakra stabilized with no much knowledge of Rinnegan? Same as how He never used Hashiramas wood jutsu before getting esurrected. He says "let me try something" and uses Hashiramas wood jutsu,hes never used it before but knows how it works because hes seen Hashirama use it. He knows the seals but he didnt have the dna.

The only Rinnegan jutsu he used was Preta path and that was in dire situation which we all know is when people unlock hidden potential. Why doesnt he use all other Rinnegan tchs? because hes not adept with it,he never had time to train with it. Unlike Ngato who had it since he was like 8-9.

[TurrinB]

Nope stated in the manga that Rinnegan is higher level.

[oShux]

The only difference that we know of of MS and EMS ais that if you have EMS, you dont go blind. THATS IT. It was never stated that to get PS u need EMS NEVER. We havnt seen anything diff from Sasukes Susanoo from MS to EMS other than its hood around it turned into a beak representing Sasukes Hawk persona and Amaterasu covering his arrows so hes just using Kagutsscuchi.

We dont know if PS chakra stabilized is Rinnegan or not but i think its not. Why? because it looks like thats not the first time Madara used that Susanoo and he looks adept with it. HE unlocked Rinnegan shortly before death and didnt have any time to train with it so how cud he pull out PS chakra stabilized with no much knowledge of Rinnegan? Same as how He never used Hashiramas wood jutsu before getting esurrected. He says "let me try something" and uses Hashiramas wood jutsu,hes never used it before but knows how it works because hes seen Hashirama use it. He knows the seals but he didnt have the dna.

The only Rinnegan jutsu he used was Preta path and that was in dire situation which we all know is when people unlock hidden potential. Why doesnt he use all other Rinnegan tchs? because hes not adept with it,he never had time to train with it. Unlike Ngato who had it since he was like 8-9.

You kinda destroyed your own thread.

[Encon Uchiha]

You kinda destroyed your own thread.

Its still the same size ,just its personality chnaged a little bit. Its not a radical chnage like Madaras PS and chakra stabilized.

Sasuke already used Kagutsuschi before EMS and the beak around hood isnt really a huge diff in terms of power.

[Encon Uchiha]

You guys got it all wrong. These are Complete Susanoos. When the skeleton shows,its not complete or (lvl 2). When its just the ribcage its lvl 1 . When the have the hood around it its perfect.

Sasuke

Itachi


Madara

[oShux]

You guys got it all wrong. These are Complete Susanoos. When the skeleton shows,its not complete or (lvl 2). When its just the ribcage its lvl 1 . When the have the hood around it its perfect.

Sasuke

Itachi


Madara

No dude the skeleton ones are the level ones. Full skeleton would be like level 2 i think and then the one with the skins is level 3 and then the one with the hoods are COMPLETE ones. PERFECT ones have legs and are OP

[Noddy]

Don't ever claim this shit is stronger than Rikudō Sennin's eyes.

[oShux]

Don't ever claim this shit is stronger than Rikudō Sennin's eyes.

This guy ^^

[Encon Uchiha]

No dude the skeleton ones are the level ones. Full skeleton would be like level 2 i think and then the one with the skins is level 3 and then the one with the hoods are COMPLETE ones. PERFECT ones have legs and are OP

Level 1 - ribcage
Level 2- Skeleton
Level 3 or Complete-Full skin
Perfect - jewel in head, tengu nose,armor
Chakra stabilized - Samurai

Only reason Madaras has legs is because of his powerful chakra and hes had the most experience with Susanoo. Sasuke only had his for a very short while and Itachi had his for about 8 years. Madara has his for 70+ years. Of course his Susanoo would be different and better. Im not sure how Madara got his chakra stabilized but im pretty sure thats pure mastery of Susanoo. As i said before
Amaterasu - Sasuke
Tsuyuyomi- Itachi
Susanoo- Madara

[Namikaze Haru]

Don't ever claim this shit is stronger than Rikudō Sennin's eyes.

dude try reading the post i never EVER said EMS was stronger than rinnegan.

some people talk without realising what they are implying.

MS/EMS = Susanoo
EMS + Senju DNA = Rinnegan and PS

but people say that PS is an EMS jutsu and madara clealy says that this is his full power. meaning that they are actually saying that EMS is stronger than Rinnegan.

i am going to also assume that the sage of the six paths could also use PS. why? because he is the uchiha and senju in 1, theres no reason he should not be able to use it.

[Encon Uchiha]

dude try reading the post i never EVER said EMS was stronger than rinnegan.

some people talk without realising what they are implying.

MS/EMS = Susanoo
EMS + Senju DNA = Rinnegan and PS

but people say that PS is an EMS jutsu and madara clealy says that this is his full power. meaning that they are actually saying that EMS is stronger than Rinnegan.

i am going to also assume that the sage of the six paths could also use PS. why? because he is the uchiha and senju in 1, theres no reason he should not be able to use it.

He never trained with the Rinnegan, he is the best with EMS. PS is an EMS jutsu but yes an expert Rinnegan user like Nagato is better than an expert user of Ems. Nagato fought the strongest 2 jinchuriki and a MS user and only got sealed because he wasnt in control of his powers and plot. Nagato > Everyone non Edo.

[Turson]

but people say that PS is an EMS jutsu and madara clealy says that this is his full power. meaning that they are actually saying that EMS is stronger than Rinnegan.

Nope, even if EMS jutsu (PS) has more destructive power than Rinnegan, doesnt mean that its more powerful Doujutsu. Rinnegan can casually bring dead people to life.

[Sasuke082594]

The only difference that we know of of MS and EMS ais that if you have EMS, you dont go blind. THATS IT. It was never stated that to get PS u need EMS NEVER. We havnt seen anything diff from Sasukes Susanoo from MS to EMS other than its hood around it turned into a beak representing Sasukes Hawk persona and Amaterasu covering his arrows so hes just using Kagutsscuchi.

We dont know if PS chakra stabilized is Rinnegan or not but i think its not. Why? because it looks like thats not the first time Madara used that Susanoo and he looks adept with it. HE unlocked Rinnegan shortly before death and didnt have any time to train with it so how cud he pull out PS chakra stabilized with no much knowledge of Rinnegan? Same as how He never used Hashiramas wood jutsu before getting esurrected. He says "let me try something" and uses Hashiramas wood jutsu,hes never used it before but knows how it works because hes seen Hashirama use it. He knows the seals but he didnt have the dna.

The only Rinnegan jutsu he used was Preta path and that was in dire situation which we all know is when people unlock hidden potential. Why doesnt he use all other Rinnegan tchs? because hes not adept with it,he never had time to train with it. Unlike Ngato who had it since he was like 8-9.

We saw Edo Madara go from MS to Rinnegan.. He used all forms of Susano'o during that time. MS=Susano'o, EMS=Complete Susano'o, Rinnegan=Perfect Susano'o. Also, your statement makes no sense, why would he need to use all the other paths? He obviously had PS.

[Sasuke082594]

Level 1 - ribcage
Level 2- Skeleton
Level 3 or Complete-Full skin
Perfect - jewel in head, tengu nose,armor
Chakra stabilized - Samurai

Only reason Madaras has legs is because of his powerful chakra and hes had the most experience with Susanoo. Sasuke only had his for a very short while and Itachi had his for about 8 years. Madara has his for 70+ years. Of course his Susanoo would be different and better. Im not sure how Madara got his chakra stabilized but im pretty sure thats pure mastery of Susanoo. As i said before
Amaterasu - Sasuke
Tsuyuyomi- Itachi
Susanoo- Madara

These are just your assumptions, but if thats the case then Lv 1-3=MS&EMS.

[oShux]

Level 1 - ribcage
Level 2- Skeleton
Level 3 or Full skin
Complete- jewel in head, tengu nose,armor
Perfect - Samurai ( chakra stabalized )

Only reason Madaras has legs is because of his powerful chakra and hes had the most experience with Susanoo. Sasuke only had his for a very short while and Itachi had his for about 8 years. Madara has his for 70+ years. Of course his Susanoo would be different and better. Im not sure how Madara got his chakra stabilized but im pretty sure thats pure mastery of Susanoo. As i said before
Amaterasu - Sasuke
Tsuyuyomi- Itachi
Susanoo- Madara

Madara's has legs cause his is PERFECT

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[Sasuke082594]

Madara's has legs cause his is PERFECT

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Thank you lol, people won't understand that Madara could only use PS when he activated the Rinnegan.

[Amelius]

Lets put it this way. A Fully Realized Rinnegan is the stronger of the 2; however in Madara status, his EMS is far stronger than his rinnegan. He is not adapt at using the rinnegan. thus far he has only used two (that we know for 100%) rinnegan unique abilities. One being the gedou mazou and the preta path. Thats it!

As for the PS being Rinnegan... that is highly unlikely. Susanno has always been linked with the sharingan derived abilities meaning MS and EMS; Nothing we have learned in regards to the rinnegan suggest that PS is derived from the rinnegan. And while the rinnegan comes from sharingan in some currently unknown method. Its not enough evidence to say it is from the rinnegan. If we recall: madara did state that those who see PS do not normally live to tell their story; which suggest he has used it more then just once and he used it against someone. as he said himself, he awakened the rinnegan shortly before he "death" so we know he didnt use Ps after Rinnegan, therefore he had to come before... via EMS!

The only REAL signifiance to PS is the stablization of the chakra used to create it... from what I can tell!

[Encon Uchiha]

We saw Edo Madara go from MS to Rinnegan.. He used all forms of Susano'o during that time. MS=Susano'o, EMS=Complete Susano'o, Rinnegan=Perfect Susano'o. Also, your statement makes no sense, why would he need to use all the other paths? He obviously had PS.

How the hell is EMS = complete Susanoo when Itachi used it?? You have no proof. He has never used Rinnegan techs before he was Edo, He was close to death and gave it to Nagato. Only Rinnegan tech he has used that we know of is Preta path. Meteor is obviously EMS since he used it in collaboration with his Susanoo. When hes in Rinnegan all his EMS moves are in affect too.

These are just your assumptions, but if thats the case then Lv 1-3=MS&EMS.

thats correct since Itachi had lvls 1-3 and Complete.

Madara's has legs cause his is PERFECT

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No proof or logical explanation, come back with better explanation.

[Sasuke082594]

Lets put it this way. A Fully Realized Rinnegan is the stronger of the 2; however in Madara status, his EMS is far stronger than his rinnegan. He is not adapt at using the rinnegan. thus far he has only used two (that we know for 100%) rinnegan unique abilities. One being the gedou mazou and the preta path. Thats it!

As for the PS being Rinnegan... that is highly unlikely. Susanno has always been linked with the sharingan derived abilities meaning MS and EMS; Nothing we have learned in regards to the rinnegan suggest that PS is derived from the rinnegan. And while the rinnegan comes from sharingan in some currently unknown method. Its not enough evidence to say it is from the rinnegan. If we recall: madara did state that those who see PS do not normally live to tell their story; which suggest he has used it more then just once and he used it against someone. as he said himself, he awakened the rinnegan shortly before he "death" so we know he didnt use Ps after Rinnegan, therefore he had to come before... via EMS!

The only REAL signifiance to PS is the stablization of the chakra used to create it... from what I can tell!

From what i could tell he would've be handled by all those giant Rasengans if it hadn't been for him using his Susano'o when his MS was activated...

[Sasuke082594]

How the hell is EMS = complete Susanoo when Itachi used it?? You have no proof. He has never used Rinnegan techs before he was Edo, He was close to death and gave it to Nagato. Only Rinnegan tech he has used that we know of is Preta path. Meteor is obviously EMS since he used it in collaboration with his Susanoo. When hes in Rinnegan all his EMS moves are in affect too.


thats correct since Itachi had lvls 1-3 and Complete.



No proof or logical explanation, come back with better explanation.

When does the manga state Itachi used a complete Susano'o? Don't say "Oh it has armor and a pointy nose like Madara's that's why".

[Namikaze Haru]

He never trained with the Rinnegan, he is the best with EMS. PS is an EMS jutsu but yes an expert Rinnegan user like Nagato is better than an expert user of Ems. Nagato fought the strongest 2 jinchuriki and a MS user and only got sealed because he wasnt in control of his powers and plot. Nagato > Everyone non Edo.

agreed he never trained with rinnegan and also that nagato > everyone non edo. but i don't think nagato would beat PS. and if that is the case then we are pretty much stating that EMS madara and hashirama > nagato which in fact very wrong. so i think PS has gotta be an rinnegan tech.

remember when madara used meteorite he had rinnegan and used it in tune with his susanoo. it was like a major bansho tenin. this should be proof enough that rinnegan could be related to susanoo.

Thank you lol, people won't understand that Madara could only use PS when he activated the Rinnegan.

now that you mention it, that is very true

[KidGamer65]

, PS is simply Madara's Final Susanoo, so if you want to tell me Final Susanoo needs Rinnegan, then I don't know what to say.

Believing it is a Rinnegan tech is baseless because...

Oonoki asked why he didn't use his full power on him (Perfect Susanoo was noted as his full power by Madara himself just before this).

Madara uses Incomplete or Complete Susanoo with Rinnegan right here so why would you jump to conclusions and say that it is a
Rinnegan tech just cause he used Rinnegan with PS?

Perfect Susanoo is NOT a Rinnegan technique and there is NO reason to believe that it is.

Why would any Susanoo need Rinnegan when it is an MS technique, it makes absolutely ZERO sense.

[Amelius]

From what i could tell he would've be handled by all those giant Rasengans if it hadn't been for him using his Susano'o when his MS was activated...

Im confused as to how that relates to anything I said?

[Sasuke082594]

agreed he never trained with rinnegan and also that nagato > everyone non edo. but i don't think nagato would beat PS. and if that is the case then we are pretty much stating that EMS madara and hashirama > nagato which in fact very wrong. so i think PS has gotta be an rinnegan tech.

remember when madara used meteorite he had rinnegan and used it in tune with his susanoo. it was like a major bansho tenin. this should be proof enough that rinnegan could be related to susanoo.



now that you mention it, that is very true

It is very true.. I'm about to state that will end all speculation.. If PS is an EMS tech then why does Madara have his Rinnegan activated? NB'ers confirm that Madara apparently doesn't know how to use the Rinnegan(clearly states though that he did know because he tried to take Senju DNA so he obviously knew about the Rinnegan's powers) If you all claim that PS is an EMS tech then why doesn't he just use his EMS in battle and not the Rinnegan?