So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

[Sasuke082594]

Im confused as to how that relates to anything I said?

It relates to me stating that he apparently couldn't summon PS using his EMS.

[arv993]

He never trained with the Rinnegan, he is the best with EMS. PS is an EMS jutsu but yes an expert Rinnegan user like Nagato is better than an expert user of Ems. Nagato fought the strongest 2 jinchuriki and a MS user and only got sealed because he wasnt in control of his powers and plot. Nagato > Everyone non Edo.

that is ur assumption he didnt train with the rinnegan he wasnt a master as far as we have seen but he has clearly used the preta path, he has used the gedo mazo according to himself. And he has shown that he is able to manipulate metors with gravity similar to nagato. So far he has shown us quite a few techniques with the rinnegan and shown to use it quite well.

nagato>everyone non edo LOL get out of here. Plot favored nagato as well it made sure 90% of naruto's arsenal was away from him during his encounter with nagato. all his clones were elsewhere in various battlefields which could have made naruto's victory a lot simpler.

u must not have realized some other characters such as tobi or kabuto who both at the height of their powers can crush nagato.

And naruto at his full power also can beat nagato. with his multiple clones bm, sm etc along with his summons are enough to stop the likes of nagato. Dont overrate nagato he is one of the best but definitely not the best.

[arv993]

It is very true.. I'm about to state that will end all speculation.. If PS is an EMS tech then why does Madara have his Rinnegan activated? NB'ers confirm that Madara apparently doesn't know how to use the Rinnegan(clearly states though that he did know because he tried to take Senju DNA so he obviously knew about the Rinnegan's powers) If you all claim that PS is an EMS tech then why doesn't he just use his EMS in battle and not the Rinnegan?

he did use rinnegan to a certain extent when he was in a pinch. But atleast in his battle against the kages mokuton or ems was more than enough to deal witth them

[Amelius]

It is very true.. I'm about to state that will end all speculation.. If PS is an EMS tech then why does Madara have his Rinnegan activated? NB'ers confirm that Madara apparently doesn't know how to use the Rinnegan(clearly states though that he did know because he tried to take Senju DNA so he obviously knew about the Rinnegan's powers) If you all claim that PS is an EMS tech then why doesn't he just use his EMS in battle and not the Rinnegan?

Because He has shown the ability to use EMS abilites while the rinnegan is on, the opposite has not been shown. So why would you use one set of eyes that can only use 1 set of abilities instead of using the one that can use both?... But that doesnt mean that PS is from Rinnegan, merely that he can use PS with the rinnegan, the same way he can use the other susanno versions with the Rinnegan!

[Amelius]

It relates to me stating that he apparently couldn't summon PS using his EMS.

Not that he couldnt... merely that he didnt. couldnt and didnt are very different. Why didnt he? because he didnt need too. the only reason we saw it when we did was just Madara showing the Kages how powerless they are.

[Sasuke082594]

he did use rinnegan to a certain extent when he was in a pinch. But atleast in his battle against the kages mokuton or ems was more than enough to deal witth them

He still had his Rinnegan activated though.. NB'ers claim that Madara doesn't know how to use the Rinnegan just to back up EMS=PS. So why use a completely useless dojutsu(according to NB'ers in relation to Madara) in battle?

[Sasuke082594]

Not that he couldnt... merely that he didnt. couldnt and didnt are very different. Why didnt he? because he didnt need too. the only reason we saw it when we did was just Madara showing the Kages how powerless they are.

He didn't need too? So your telling me he knew what Naruto was capable of so he held back on purpose? Or he merely got lucky that his COMPLETE Susano'o tanked Naruto's attack?

[Sasuke082594]

Because He has shown the ability to use EMS abilites while the rinnegan is on, the opposite has not been shown. So why would you use one set of eyes that can only use 1 set of abilities instead of using the one that can use both?... But that doesnt mean that PS is from Rinnegan, merely that he can use PS with the rinnegan, the same way he can use the other susanno versions with the Rinnegan!

You typed just what i expect people who believe PS=EMS to type. I'm asking why? If it's apparently completely useless. I'll answer that though. He needs the Rinnegan to use PS! Which was obviously needed to take down the 5 kages.

[KidGamer65]

You typed just what i expect people who believe PS=EMS to type. I'm asking why? If it's apparently completely useless. I'll answer that though. He needs the Rinnegan to use PS! Which was obviously needed to take down the 5 kages.

Read my post on Page 2. it shows why PS is an EMS technique not a Rinnegan technique.

[Frikid]

depends on whose EMS you talking about.

We never saw sasuke using EMS techniques.

and madara's EMS << rinnegan

[Sasuke082594]

Read my post on Page 2. it shows why PS is an EMS technique not a Rinnegan technique.

I read it, but are you reading my speculations? Are there any "reasonable" counterarguments to my statement?

[Amelius]

that is ur assumption he didnt train with the rinnegan he wasnt a master as far as we have seen but he has clearly used the preta path, he has used the gedo mazo according to himself. And he has shown that he is able to manipulate metors with gravity similar to nagato. So far he has shown us quite a few techniques with the rinnegan and shown to use it quite well.

nagato>everyone non edo LOL get out of here. Plot favored nagato as well it made sure 90% of naruto's arsenal was away from him during his encounter with nagato. all his clones were elsewhere in various battlefields which could have made naruto's victory a lot simpler.

u must not have realized some other characters such as tobi or kabuto who both at the height of their powers can crush nagato.

And naruto at his full power also can beat nagato. with his multiple clones bm, sm etc along with his summons are enough to stop the likes of nagato. Dont overrate nagato he is one of the best but definitely not the best.

Can you really justify it? madara himself stated he awaken the rinnegan before his death, and it can be interrupted that what he meant by death was that he became almost completely useless.. which in his point of view would mean he died... So can you justify Madara "dying" but then train to master the rinnegan? Like really?

[KidGamer65]

I read it, but are you reading my speculations? Are there any "reasonable" counterarguments to my statement?

The first scan shows that Madara had PS when he fought Oonoki due to Oonoki asking why didn't you use your full power on me (right after noting that this is Madara's full power, and Madara noted this too).

He activated Complete Susanoo with his Rinnegan so him using Rinnegan with PS as proof of it being a Rinnegan tech has no merit.

[Amelius]

You typed just what i expect people who believe PS=EMS to type. I'm asking why? If it's apparently completely useless. I'll answer that though. He needs the Rinnegan to use PS! Which was obviously needed to take down the 5 kages.

It is what you expected because it is accurate! When did I say anything was useless? You have proved nothing! We have no idea how he took out the kages.... From what was shown it was mokuton that beat them... which btw is not rinnegan based. So again You cant prove Ps=Rinnegan. But you can with the evidence shown to deduce that Susanno=EMS.. when have we ever in the history of naruto come across a jutsu( which is what susanno is) to be spilt between 2 seperate ( although connected) dojutsu?

[arv993]

He still had his Rinnegan activated though.. NB'ers claim that Madara doesn't know how to use the Rinnegan just to back up EMS=PS. So why use a completely useless dojutsu(according to NB'ers in relation to Madara) in battle?

well madara almost comes out and says its an ems tech when he was talking to oonoki about not using his full power against him and muu. He has the rinnegan on maybe if he had to absorb all the ninjutsu techs thrown by the kages which he did on a few occasions.

[arv993]

Can you really justify it? madara himself stated he awaken the rinnegan before his death, and it can be interrupted that what he meant by death was that he became almost completely useless.. which in his point of view would mean he died... So can you justify Madara "dying" but then train to master the rinnegan? Like really?

explain to me how he knew so much about the rinnegan without using it. how did he know what the rinne tensei jutsu is, he has shown to be the first one to use gedo, he was shown to use the preta path, he was shown to use the meteors on much bigger scale than nagato himself that shows he is quite good with the rinnegan. i did not say he was a master but he was a good user and so far from his use and knowledge of the rinnegan it can be easily understood. he had time its not like he got the rinnegan and fell to the ground and died, he had some time to come up with a tsuki no me plan etc, and give it to nagato and lived until obito's time through the mazo itself. in that time he could have learned more about the rinnegan and he has clearly shown he is very knowledgeable saying he is a noob with the rinnegan is absurd. he is a pretty adept user atleast from what he has shown with the rinnegan.

[Blaze Release]

The key word here is stabilise. There is no such a technique as perfect susano.
There is however a technique as susano which is the Mangekyo's technique and that only. When one masters the ability of the Mangekyo in both eyes do they have access to this. Since the ems is a stage above the ms, its accurate to say that it will advance the abilities of the ms. We have seen ms sasuke's final form susano, this was against kakashi before he went blind. We saw sasuke's latest susano, it was clear that the ems has boosted his susano and has even added amaterasu orb.

Certain one's sasuke masters the ems will he have a full form susano. That is the ability of the (mangekyo) ems

[NarutoFan20]

The key word here is stabilise. There is no such a technique as perfect susano.
There is however a technique as susano which is the Mangekyo's technique and that only. When one masters the ability of the Mangekyo in both eyes do they have access to this.

Wow your logic is incredible + rep

[bobisacoolguy]

Rinnegan = one of the strongest dojutsu

[Encon Uchiha]

Lets put it this way. A Fully Realized Rinnegan is the stronger of the 2; however in Madara status, his EMS is far stronger than his rinnegan. He is not adapt at using the rinnegan. thus far he has only used two (that we know for 100%) rinnegan unique abilities. One being the gedou mazou and the preta path. Thats it!

As for the PS being Rinnegan... that is highly unlikely. Susanno has always been linked with the sharingan derived abilities meaning MS and EMS; Nothing we have learned in regards to the rinnegan suggest that PS is derived from the rinnegan. And while the rinnegan comes from sharingan in some currently unknown method. Its not enough evidence to say it is from the rinnegan. If we recall: madara did state that those who see PS do not normally live to tell their story; which suggest he has used it more then just once and he used it against someone. as he said himself, he awakened the rinnegan shortly before he "death" so we know he didnt use Ps after Rinnegan, therefore he had to come before... via EMS!

The only REAL signifiance to PS is the stablization of the chakra used to create it... from what I can tell!

THANK YOU.

, PS is simply Madara's Final Susanoo, so if you want to tell me Final Susanoo needs Rinnegan, then I don't know what to say.

Believing it is a Rinnegan tech is baseless because...

Oonoki asked why he didn't use his full power on him (Perfect Susanoo was noted as his full power by Madara himself just before this).

Madara uses Incomplete or Complete Susanoo with Rinnegan right here so why would you jump to conclusions and say that it is a
Rinnegan tech just cause he used Rinnegan with PS?

Perfect Susanoo is NOT a Rinnegan technique and there is NO reason to believe that it is.

Why would any Susanoo need Rinnegan when it is an MS technique, it makes absolutely ZERO sense.

Thank you

It is very true.. I'm about to state that will end all speculation.. If PS is an EMS tech then why does Madara have his Rinnegan activated?

With Rinnegan active,it includes his EMS since Rinnegan is evolution from EMS hence all the techniques from EMS can be used while using Rinnegan.

NB'ers confirm that Madara apparently doesn't know how to use the Rinnegan(clearly states though that he did know because he tried to take Senju DNA so he obviously knew about the Rinnegan's powers) If you all claim that PS is an EMS tech then why doesn't he just use his EMS in battle and not the Rinnegan?

Theres a difference between knowing about Rinnegan powers and knowing how to USE THEM. Naruto knows all about Ngato's powers since he fought him but doesnt know how to use them. Your messing up words dude. The only Rinnegan powers Madara has shown is Gedo Mazu and Preta Path.

How the hell can you say Perfect Susanoo is a Rinnegan ability when the original Susanoo is a Mangekyou ability?? Has Nagato ever used Perfect Susanoo? NO . AND he was the best user of the Rinnegan. He used all paths in spearate bodies AND he could use them all in one body when fighting Itachi,Naruto and KillerBee. If he is the best Rinnegan user and cant use Susanoo then its obvious Susanoo isnt from RINNEGANNN DUMBNUT!

Madara died shortly after acquiring Rinnegan so how the hell could he master Susanoo when hes old and wrinkled up and has to be attached to Gedo Mazu to live? The two posters up described exactly why Susanoo isnt from Rinnegan but all you say "Well hes using Rinnegan whiling using it, it must be Rinnegan tech". If Sasuke uses fireball jutsu while his sharingan is active doesnt mean its a shraingan exclusive technique, it just means hes uses his fire technique while sharingan active because its better suited for battle.

Madara can use all his EMS techniques while his Rinnegan is active,it doesnt mean their all Rinnegan techniques. Come back with a logical response or shut the hell up numbnuts

[Anonwisdom]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes ps is a rinnengan tech. It seems bs theories are excepted as facts far to easily on NB, there is no hard evidence that ps is a ems tech while on the other hand the simple fact that madara was required to activate rinnengan before summoning ps is almost definite prove its not a ems tech. Fanboys even go as far to say sasuke and itachi also have ps lmao give me a break.

[Encon Uchiha]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes ps is a rinnengan tech. It seems bs theories are excepted as facts far to easily on NB, there is no hard evidence that ps is a ems tech while on the other hand the simple fact that madara was required to activate rinnengan before summoning ps is almost definite prove its not a ems tech. Fanboys even go as far to say sasuke and itachi also have ps lmao give me a break.

Nope. He activated it to use Preta path or he would be destroyed by RasenShuriken. and there would be no reason to go back to EMS since he already got his Rinnegan active. You fail.

No one has said that. You double fail.

[NarutoFan20]

THANK YOU.


Thank you




With Rinnegan active,it includes his EMS since Rinnegan is evolution from EMS hence all the techniques from EMS can be used while using Rinnegan.



Theres a difference between knowing about Rinnegan powers and knowing how to USE THEM. Naruto knows all about Ngato's powers since he fought him but doesnt know how to use them. Your messing up words dude. The only Rinnegan powers Madara has shown is Gedo Mazu and Preta Path.

How the hell can you say Perfect Susanoo is a Rinnegan ability when the original Susanoo is a Mangekyou ability?? Has Nagato ever used Perfect Susanoo? NO . AND he was the best user of the Rinnegan. He used all paths in spearate bodies AND he could use them all in one body when fighting Itachi,Naruto and KillerBee. If he is the best Rinnegan user and cant use Susanoo then its obvious Susanoo isnt from RINNEGANNN DUMBNUT!

Madara died shortly after acquiring Rinnegan so how the hell could he master Susanoo when hes old and wrinkled up and has to be attached to Gedo Mazu to live? The two posters up described exactly why Susanoo isnt from Rinnegan but all you say "Well hes using Rinnegan whiling using it, it must be Rinnegan tech". If Sasuke uses fireball jutsu while his sharingan is active doesnt mean its a shraingan exclusive technique, it just means hes uses his fire technique while sharingan active because its better suited for battle.

Madara can use all his EMS techniques while his Rinnegan is active,it doesnt mean their all Rinnegan techniques. Come back with a logical response or shut the hell up numbnuts

^This

[Chatte]

Sasuke perfect Susanoo '


Itachi perfect Susanoo


Madara perfect Susanoo


Madara perfect Susanoo (chakra stabilized)


I hope that helps guys. Madaras is bigger because he is adept at Susanoo and was known to have one of the most powerful chakras in Narutoverse. The stabilized version is only exclusize to Madara though.

i have extensive knowledge about Susanoo and prolly will explain it all in a thread later but right now i gotta go to class,i can maybe reply there but it wil be hard

Itachi and Sasuke have Complete Susano'o, not Perfect.

So until shown otherwise, we can safely assume Perfect Susano'o is Rinnegan Tech.

[KidGamer65]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes ps is a rinnengan tech. It seems bs theories are excepted as facts far to easily on NB, there is no hard evidence that ps is a ems tech while on the other hand the simple fact that madara was required to activate rinnengan before summoning ps is almost definite prove its not a ems tech. Fanboys even go as far to say sasuke and itachi also have ps lmao give me a break.

Posts like these are very annoying, read the thread over before you post, everything you just said has been countered already.


This goes to everyone who believes PS is a Rinnegan tech..

Explain why you believe this, and don't mention something that's already been countered in previous posts unless you have a rebuttal.