So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

[lXxNaGaToxXl]

intense lol.

[UchihaKira]

not sure what I think too early to say really. I think its very possible it may require Rinnegan but until we find out the direct relationship between Sharingan and Rinnegan its hard to say.

[TheGr8Uchiha]

Rinnegan summons Gedo Mazo. Let's see Perfect Susanoo versus the Juubi.

Imperfect Juubi.

[phantomlord22]

Rinnegan is way better than EMS
that's what I think

[captainEO]

Perfect Susanoo is a Mangekyou Sharingan technqiue


Anyway, saying EMS is stronger than Rinnegan is like saying the 3 tomoe Sharingan is stronger than MS, or MS is stronger than EMS
...
they're the same dojutsu, Sharingan = Rinnegan.
Rinnegan includes previous Sharingan techniques like EMS includes MS techniques.


Rinnegan is the peak of the dojutsu so it's obviously the best form of Sharingan to have (it's best used by an Uchiha)

that is until the Juubi's dojutsu is explained

[niblack89]

Look at Obito's MS three versions of Kamui if Obito had both eyes he'd be invincible. He could warp you from afar and up close and you'd never be able to hit him. He'd be in the same level as Nagato with one MS eye if he'd had both he could kill Nagato easily. Madara with EMS is unstobable his Susanoo is to powerful that only one person in history has been able to stop it. Madara rarely uses his rinnegan powers. The rinnegan is more diverse but MS is just to powerful. One look at someone and they die.

Also to the people arguing with the maker of this thread don't bother it'll be like fighting a wall if dimond with just your fist. Madara himself said the only person to defeat his perfect Susanoo is the 1st hokage. That stabilized Susanoo is still the perfect Susanoo. Just like chidori is still Rakari just advanced. Madara fights with mostly his Susanoo so of course it'll be more advanced than his Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu. Itachi hardly used Susanoo and Sasuke is learning the stages of Susanoo. Sasuke never even used Perfect Susanoo in an actual fight.

[captainEO]

Itachi and Sasuke have Complete Susano'o, not Perfect.

So until shown otherwise, we can safely assume Perfect Susano'o is Rinnegan Tech.

that's like saying their Susanoo are new and Madara's is fresh or vice versa

complete = perfect. they have the exact same meaning. there's absolutely no difference. Kishi uses the terms interchangeably, in fact the only reason you know it as "perfect" is because that's how the translator chose to phrase it.

Madara's Susanoo is complete and Itachi and Sasuke's are perfect.
Madara and Itachi's Susanoo are perfect, Sasuke's is complete.


Itachi, Sasuke and Madara all have final stage Susanoo's.
Madara's is only larger and stabilized (optional)

[AlexXx]

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we're talking about the eyes So6p had...

wow solos everyone

[Zato]

When Madara said "the full power of Uchiha Madara" he is speaking on his EMS powers. Those are his true natural powers. The Rinnegan isn't something that Madara naturally gained. This is why Madara stated that the myth behind his P.Susanoo is that who ever seen it never lived to tell about it. This means that Madara had the P.Susanoo before he had the Rinnegan. Madara gained the Rinnegan when he was a very very old man and by that time he was stuck underground attached to the Mazou.

[cryhwks]

The Sharingan evolves into the Rinnengan so no EMS is not stronger then the Rinnengan.

You have to remember that we have never really seen the full power of the Rinnengan because as strong as Nagato was with the Rinnengan they were not his own eyes.

It's same thing with Kakashi & his Sharingan he will never be on the level as an Uchiha with a Sharingan because he doesn't have the body to go with the eyes. That's why even though Obito & Kakashi share eyes Obito's is stronger.

& there reason why the Sage was so powerful is he had the eyes & the body. It's the Yin&Yang thing.

[linxekim]

we also honestly have no clue if the meteor attack came from Rinnegan... Its completely different from Chibaku Tensei and It needed to use his susanno to help use the jutsu. All he did was pull the rock from orbit. If it was a rinnegan based, he wouldnt have needed susannos help!

Umm.....

Nagato using a meteor jutsu...
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/549/9

Madara using a more powerful meteor jutsu via Susanoo (three hand signs are needed) ...
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/16.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/17.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/4.html

It is safe to say by using Susanoo with rinnegan, it allows you to use a more power technique. Hence the more powerful meteorite jutsu (which needed Susanoo for the three hand signs). Seeing the proof above, Madara uses EMS Susanoo and enhances it's power with the rinnegan making it "perfect" (showing him using the rinnegan when performing this).*

YOU NEED EMS SUSANOO WITH THE RINNEGAN TO OBTAIN PERFECT SUSANOO...

*Sigh*, you guys are idiots...

[lion fang master]

I don't know why this Q was brought up, rinnegan eye is the combination of 2 mighty powers. Also if u take just 2 of rinnegan power Edo tensei and the chakra /ninjutsu absorption tech u pretty unstoppable.

[Narutoga]

Rinngan is stronger

[6pathofpain]

Sasuke perfect Susanoo '


Itachi perfect Susanoo


Madara perfect Susanoo


Madara perfect Susanoo (chakra stabilized)


I hope that helps guys. Madaras is bigger because he is adept at Susanoo and was known to have one of the most powerful chakras in Narutoverse. The stabilized version is only exclusize to Madara though.

i have extensive knowledge about Susanoo and prolly will explain it all in a thread later but right now i gotta go to class,i can maybe reply there but it wil be hard

Acutally i dont think its considered perfect suasnoo until the chakra is stabilized

[Kpka]

we also honestly have no clue if the meteor attack came from Rinnegan... Its completely different from Chibaku Tensei and It needed to use his susanno to help use the jutsu. All he did was pull the rock from orbit. If it was a rinnegan based, he wouldnt have needed susannos help!

Umm.....

Nagato using a meteor jutsu...
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/549/9

Madara using a more powerful meteor jutsu via Susanoo (three hand signs are needed) ...
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/16.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/17.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/4.html

It is safe to say by using Susanoo with rinnegan, it allows you to use a more power technique. Hence the more powerful meteorite jutsu (which needed Susanoo for the three hand signs). Seeing the proof above, Madara uses EMS Susanoo and enhances it's power with the rinnegan making it "perfect" (showing him using the rinnegan when performing this).*

YOU NEED EMS SUSANOO WITH THE RINNEGAN TO OBTAIN PERFECT SUSANOO...

*Sigh*, you guys are idiots...

[Kpka]

we also honestly have no clue if the meteor attack came from Rinnegan... Its completely different from Chibaku Tensei and It needed to use his susanno to help use the jutsu. All he did was pull the rock from orbit. If it was a rinnegan based, he wouldnt have needed susannos help!

Umm.....

Nagato using a meteor jutsu...
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/549/9

Madara using a more powerful meteor jutsu via Susanoo (three hand signs are needed) ...
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/16.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/17.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/4.html

It is safe to say by using Susanoo with rinnegan, it allows you to use a more power technique. Hence the more powerful meteorite jutsu (which needed Susanoo for the three hand signs). Seeing the proof above, Madara uses EMS Susanoo and enhances it's power with the rinnegan making it "perfect" (showing him using the rinnegan when performing this).*

YOU NEED EMS SUSANOO WITH THE RINNEGAN TO OBTAIN PERFECT SUSANOO...

*Sigh*, you guys are idiots...

[KING KISAME]

I made a thread like this because i feel like perfect susanoo is a rinnegan tech
because when he used the perfect susanoo he had the rinnegan activated.

[3MESSIAH]

EMS on SENJU steroids>Perfect susanoo

[TheSages456]

susano=ms/ems tech. it being perfect means nothing.

[FXW]

Well, since Rinnegan is an evolution of EMS, it's obviously stronger. However, the only Rinnegan users we've really seen (Madara only used 1 or 2 tech) had IMPLANTED eyes, so they probably didn't have the EMS powers, while a true Rinnegan like Madara's has all the powers.

[Aaroninja]

PS must be an EMS tech because Madara said that no one who had ever seen his PS has survived. How would he know that if he activated the Rinnegan shortly before his death. Of course we know that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan then continued to survive with the Gedo Mazou, but the fact that he said he unlocked it shortly before his death, and seems excited (as exceited as you can be if you're Madara) when he uses it, implies that it might be the first time he is using the techs in battle.

TLDR:
>Madara probs hasnt used Rinnegan before
>Madara has used PS before
>PS is EMS Tech

[Kpka]

we also honestly have no clue if the meteor attack came from Rinnegan... Its completely different from Chibaku Tensei and It needed to use his susanno to help use the jutsu. All he did was pull the rock from orbit. If it was a rinnegan based, he wouldnt have needed susannos help!

Umm.....

Nagato using a meteor jutsu...
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/549/9

Madara using a more powerful meteor jutsu via Susanoo (three hand signs are needed) ...
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/16.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/17.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/4.html

It is safe to say by using Susanoo with rinnegan, it allows you to use a more power technique. Hence the more powerful meteorite jutsu (which needed Susanoo for the three hand signs). Seeing the proof above, Madara uses EMS Susanoo and enhances it's power with the rinnegan making it "perfect" (showing him using the rinnegan when performing this).*

YOU NEED EMS SUSANOO WITH THE RINNEGAN TO OBTAIN PERFECT SUSANOO...

*Sigh*

[Amelius]

Umm.....

Nagato using a meteor jutsu...
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/549/9

Madara using a more powerful meteor jutsu via Susanoo (three hand signs are needed) ...
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/16.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/17.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/4.html

It is safe to say by using Susanoo with rinnegan, it allows you to use a more power technique. Hence the more powerful meteorite jutsu (which needed Susanoo for the three hand signs). Seeing the proof above, Madara uses EMS Susanoo and enhances it's power with the rinnegan making it "perfect" (showing him using the rinnegan when performing this).*

YOU NEED EMS SUSANOO WITH THE RINNEGAN TO OBTAIN PERFECT SUSANOO...

*Sigh*, you guys are idiots...

The rinnegan is the strongest dojutsu in naruto.... He wouldnt have needed Susannos help to do anything that comes distinctly from the rinnegan!
That still doesnt prove that the metoer is distinctly rinnegan.... Ever heard of earth release? Also nothing you displayed "PROVES" anything, its all pure speculation. While yes when he see PS he was using the rinnegan, but that doesnt confirm that he has to use the rinnegan to use PS. Madara has already stated he has used PS before against enemies which would mean it was before he gain the rinnegan.... meaning He used it with his EMS!
there is also no proof that the rinnegan enhances his EMS abilities, we dont know how strong he was at in his prime(EMS) so its not fair judging from what we are seeing as an EDO and what his EMS abilities are doing thru the rinnegan, so there is no telling if they are enhanced or if they are just accessible. also please dont call people idiots... especially on a topic that is almost completely specualtion for both defending sides

[l Sasuke Uchiha l]

I think the Perfect Sussanoo is a jutsu combined with the power of the Rinnegan and the power of the EMS. Like Madara using the Sussanoo and then he uses the Rinnegan to infuse even more power into it, making it perfect.

If that is not the case, then the EMS is at least the same level as the Rinnegan.

[Namikaze Haru]

Umm.....

Nagato using a meteor jutsu...
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/549/9

Madara using a more powerful meteor jutsu via Susanoo (three hand signs are needed) ...
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/16.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/17.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/4.html

It is safe to say by using Susanoo with rinnegan, it allows you to use a more power technique. Hence the more powerful meteorite jutsu (which needed Susanoo for the three hand signs). Seeing the proof above, Madara uses EMS Susanoo and enhances it's power with the rinnegan making it "perfect" (showing him using the rinnegan when performing this).*

YOU NEED EMS SUSANOO WITH THE RINNEGAN TO OBTAIN PERFECT SUSANOO...

*Sigh*, you guys are idiots...

EMS on SENJU steroids>Perfect susanoo

agreed