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    Battle of The Ancients!!!!

    Sage of The Sixth Paths and Juubi vs The young and older Son and Hashirama with Madara!!!!
    Note: SO6P Junchuriki at full Power and Team 2 Full Power!!!! Team 2 knows vast knowledge of Rikudou's Weakness and knows vast forbidden sealing techniques that once sealed cannot be undone at all!!!!!!

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    Re: Battle of The Ancients!!!!

    S06P solos.
     
         

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    Re: Battle of The Ancients!!!!

    sage against anyone, even an army is overkill for the team fighting him. hes too godlike to need help from juubi. hashi and madara are diluted garbage in comparison. remember that they lived hundreds of years after the sage, maybe longer.
     
         

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    Re: Battle of The Ancients!!!!

    Team 1 wins.
     
         

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    Re: Battle of The Ancients!!!!

    Team 1 wins low-mid diff.
     
         

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    Re: Battle of The Ancients!!!!

    I actually see Team 2 having a smattering of a chance here. Both the Sages sons and Hashi/Madara combos should have pretty good teamwork at least with each other, and the Sages sons collectively can't be THAT much weaker than the Sage without Juubi's power. And that's the kicker. Hashirama and Madara both have Bijuu-controlling abilities, either of them being able to subdue the Kyuubi WHILE STILL FIGHTING. Working together I see them suppressing the Juubi without too much trouble, and their presence in the Sage vs Sons fight should turn the tables in Team 2's favour.

    Of course the Sage is still a living legend (as he's now alive) and won't make it easy.

    Team 2 high/extreme diff.
     
         

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    Re: Battle of The Ancients!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Piratefish View Post
    I actually see Team 2 having a smattering of a chance here. Both the Sages sons and Hashi/Madara combos should have pretty good teamwork at least with each other, and the Sages sons collectively can't be THAT much weaker than the Sage without Juubi's power. And that's the kicker. Hashirama and Madara both have Bijuu-controlling abilities, either of them being able to subdue the Kyuubi WHILE STILL FIGHTING. Working together I see them suppressing the Juubi without too much trouble, and their presence in the Sage vs Sons fight should turn the tables in Team 2's favour.

    Of course the Sage is still a living legend (as he's now alive) and won't make it easy.

    Team 2 high/extreme diff.
    Ahh, that's not a bad argument. The Sage, however, was near-death when he gave his abilities to his sons. They are not nearly as powerful as they could have been, and if they were as powerful as they could have been they would have represented only half of the sage's power (each). The way I see the difference between his sons and Hashirama/Madara, however, is that they are two levels above Hashirama and Madara. Say, the difference between Edo Tensei Madara with interchangeable Rinnegan/Sharingan and EMS Madara that fought Hashirama. I still can't see them winning, even if the Sage's son with the eyes subdues the Juubi (I don't think Madara can do this, so I chose him), the Sage can still take them. The manga doesn't imply that he was even hurt after his battle with the Juubi.
     
         

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    Re: Battle of The Ancients!!!!

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    Ahh, that's not a bad argument. The Sage, however, was near-death when he gave his abilities to his sons. They are not nearly as powerful as they could have been, and if they were as powerful as they could have been they would have represented only half of the sage's power (each). The way I see the difference between his sons and Hashirama/Madara, however, is that they are two levels above Hashirama and Madara. Say, the difference between Edo Tensei Madara with interchangeable Rinnegan/Sharingan and EMS Madara that fought Hashirama. I still can't see them winning, even if the Sage's son with the eyes subdues the Juubi (I don't think Madara can do this, so I chose him), the Sage can still take them. The manga doesn't imply that he was even hurt after his battle with the Juubi.
    I wasn't aware the Sons were ever given power by the Sage, are they not at full power for this match? Even if they are, I do agree that even with half the Sage's power each they'd be no match even against a non-Juubi powered Sage. The Sage's combat abilities are unspecified, but can be assumed to be vastly superior even to both his sons working together. He has almost complete understanding of the workings of ninjutsu.

    (I say this because he is apparently the inventor of ninjutsu as well as being in posession of both the Rinnegan and practically unlimited chakra he must have a pretty thorough understanding by now. But he probably hasn't discovered the extremes of yin-yang manipulations such as complex genjutsu or the Nara shadow techs. Also, Kekkei Genkai elemental hybrids and the Kekkei Touta can be assumed to be beyond him.)

    We don't know much about his taijutsu capabilities, but I'm willing to assume he is less skilled than both Hashirama and Madara, pretty much because of upbringing. The Sage was a monk before his time to shine arrived, (probably not a martial monk) and advanced taijutsu capabilities are likely redundant in a battle against the Juubi, or even in the chaotic era of roving scavengers left in its wake, at least for a ninjutsu-master on the level of the Sage.

    Madara and Hashirama, however, have been trained practically from birth in such matters, and are the result of unknown generations in which an incapable fighter was a dead man. Their Bloodlines both grant them advantages the Sage doesn't have in such areas (Rinnegan was never stated to improve taijutsu, and even the Senju-originator's body pales in comparison to Hashi's healing trick) though his stamina is likely far beyond them.

    I see EMS Madara and Hashi as roughly equal to the Sons purely on the basis of combat experience (the Sage, being a former monk, probably didn't train his kids from birth in the same way as Hashy and Maddy), though their bloodline gifts are inferior. However, the Uchiha at least have had a long time in decifering the secrets of the Sharingan and Hashy appears to be a natural genius when it comes to Mokuton, so the younger duo can't be too far behind in pure potency of their bloodline.

    Actually now I think on it, the Sage likely WASN'T injured in the battle with the Juubi. Reason being that any injury caused by the Juubi would be so massive it would probably instantly kill him.


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    Re: Battle of The Ancients!!!!

    And that's the kicker. Hashirama and Madara both have Bijuu-controlling abilities, either of them being able to subdue the Kyuubi WHILE STILL FIGHTING. Working together I see them suppressing the Juubi without too much trouble
    kyuubi himself said hes nothing compared to juubi. juubis basically a god. every single bijuu united into one monster. how can you think a god could be supressed? his bijuudamas would be like the size of mountain ranges. he swallowed oceans. he can throw mountains at madara. genjutsu that.
    I see EMS Madara and Hashi as roughly equal to the Sons purely on the basis of combat experience
    no you dont. you cant go on any basis at all regarding the sons. but based on hype, why would a diluted descendent be stronger/equal to the original? wasnt hashirama specail because mokuton originated from him and all others after him were pale copies? every single uchiha and senju are mere copies compared to the people who inherited their father's powers. you got the powers of rinnegan in its undiluted state (elder son), and powers of massive life force and chakra of the sage in the younger son. they likely lived for a very very long time assuming they both survived their battle. how can you say hashi and madara have more experience when we dont evne know anything about the sons history?

    everything else you said is pure speculation. unfounded, at that.
     
         

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    Re: Battle of The Ancients!!!!

    SO6P and jubbi are a bit way too much for the other team, SO6P alone would win with no difficulty. were talking about a guy here that created things out of his imagination, like ninjutsu and the jubbi itself. the jubbi was just one of his creations, who knows what else he had. his two sons were nothing, they were just fodders created by kishi to expand the background of the uchihas and the senju, they have no feats. these things should be known to everybody by now. this is no battle.
     
         

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