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    Wood Style Vs Lightning Style

    Disclaimer: This is not a bashing thread. This thread is not explaining Hashirama/Yamato is weaker and or would lose to characters mentioned in this thread.

    As the title says, just like most Keke Genkai (KKG), the Wood Style can be neutralized and I will explain why I believe this is possible.

    Here is the 5 Nature Chart. This chart flows clockwise and shows the relationship of the 5 natures to others:

    Fire is strong versus Wind but weak to Water
    Wind is strong versus Lightning but weak to Fire
    Lightning is strong versus Earth but weak to Wind
    Earth is strong versus Water but weak to Lightning
    Water is strong versus Fire but weak to Earth.


    Majority of people already know this but there is always that one or few people who still don't understand (and surprisingly so) these basic principles in the series so its best that I cover it now.

    The first instance where a KKG was officially neutralized/countered was when Sasuke fought Deidara. Sasuke explained his Chidori was a Lightning type, simple as that. Sasuke mentions that Earth is weak to Lightning. This is because Deidara's KKG is Earth+Unknown Element. Sasuke noticed Deidaras Snake seal and knew it is normally associated with Earth Style, as Tiger is to Fire, Bird to Water etc. Deidaras Explosion Style still holds the same properties as its original elements therefore it was neutralized. Sasuke had an element strong versus Earth, but not weak to the other unknown element that makes up Explosion Style, though we know the other is not Wind because Lightning is weak to Wind. Its not Lightning, nor Water, so the logical conclusion is that its Fire+Earth.

    So now that we understand a KKG still holds the same properties of its original elements this helps us understand KKG even more. Deidara is not a special case. Its makes no sense that these laws only apply to his KKG and I will tell you why. Somehow Gaara gained Shukaku's Magnet Style as its jinchuriki and he retained these powers after it left him. Gaara manipulation of sand is indeed Magnet Style and the chakra natures that make of this have yet to be revealed but we know for sure one of them is Earth. By turning rocks and minerals in the ground into Sand, its obvious its associated with Earth Style. This is evident because Sasuke's Chidori broke through the sand, the ultimate defense. This was the legit first time a KKG was neutralized. Chidori (Lightning) went through Gaaras Sand (Earth+unknown) because Sasuke used an element strong versus Earth and not weak to the other unknown element Magnet Style is made of. Remember all the techniques Gaara's sand withstood, Amaterasu, Kimimaro's strongest spear, Yasaka Beads, Deidara's C3 etc. Yet they all failed to get through, except the likes of Chidori.

    When about to be sealed by Gaara, Sandaime Raikage's Lightning Armor kicked in and he easily pierced through Gaara's sand freeing himself. This is the second time in the series his sand has been pierced, and what are the odds of them both being Lightning Style attacks? This is no coincidence in my opinion and its showing us the elemental combinations and how KKG are neutralized. I say this again, to counter a KKG, you need an element strong versus one, but not weak to the other. Prime example of this is Haku vs Naruto and Sasuke. Haku's Ice Style is Water + Wind. Sasuke had the Fire, that is strong versus the Wind component but his Fire was weak to Hakus Water component which rendered it useless.

    Whew! Okay now that thats out the way lets finally talk about Wood Style. Wood Style is Earth+Water. One would need an element strong versus Earth but not weak to Water. Thats where Lightning comes in. I don't know exactly how it would neutralize/counter the Wood. My idea were that maybe the electrical charge runs through the Wood and prevents it from growing anymore, as it prevented Deidara's bombs from exploding anymore. Maybe it would cause the Wood to shrivel all up like a dead plant. I have no idea if this is true and not saying that it is, these are just my interpretations of how it would be neutralized/countered. The point is however, that it can be neutralized like any other KKG can with the right elements.

    Now, I'm not saying some D-C rank Lightning is going to neutralize Hashirama's/Yamatos Wood Style, thats just not happening, period. However, powerful Lightning users (Kakashi, Darui, Ay, Sasuke, Third Raikage, Bee) who wield high level Lightning can certainly neutralize/counter their Wood.

    Thanks to everyone who read this all the way through. My internet is slow so it was hell getting these screens and going through chapters letting the whole page load so I can see what I'm getting.

    P.S. This theory has been contradicted at least 1 time in the manga that I know but I'm 100,000% sure it was plot no jutsu so I don't count it.
     
         

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    Re: Wood Style Vs Lightning Style

    Good thread but i disagree, The lightning user would eventually be overwhelmed...
     
         

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    Re: Wood Style Vs Lightning Style

    Well thats true, as long as the wood technique is not overwhelming big, raiton will counter it

     
         

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    Re: Wood Style Vs Lightning Style

    Raiton is strong against wood,but there isnt a lightening user that can produce and utilize masses of lightenin seen yet.
    If there was a user whose scale of raiton was lose to or on par with hashirama and ko,then it would nullify it,otherwise no.
     
         

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    Re: Wood Style Vs Lightning Style

    Raiton is strong against wood,but there isnt a lightening user that can produce and utilize masses of lightenin seen yet.
    If there was a user whose scale of raiton was lose to or on par with hashirama and ko,then it would nullify it,otherwise no.
     
         

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    Re: Wood Style Vs Lightning Style

    If a lightning release user produces lightning on the exact same scale as the wood release user, then the ration user would win the exchange, as shown with Sasuke/Yamato. However, there aren't any lightning release users who can match the scale of Hashirama's wood release.
     
         

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    Re: Wood Style Vs Lightning Style

    Raiton at a certain degree may emerge victorious, however mokuton in pretty much all cases shits on raiiton,,
    SS, Flower Tree World, Mokujin, Mokuryu, Hobi, Hotei, Jukai Kotan,
    all these mokuton jutsus would stomp a user relying solely on raiton,
     
         

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    Re: Wood Style Vs Lightning Style

    Raition > Almost anything solid.
     
         

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    Re: Wood Style Vs Lightning Style

    Quote Originally Posted by Kifflom View Post
    Raiton at a certain degree may emerge victorious, however mokuton in pretty much all cases shits on raiiton,,
    SS, Flower Tree World, Mokujin, Mokuryu, Hobi, Hotei, Jukai Kotan,
    all these mokuton jutsus would stomp a user relying solely on raiton,
    Kirin > Wood forest, Wood dragon, and Base mokujin
     
         

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    Re: Wood Style Vs Lightning Style

    For the record, Gaara didn't use his strongest def on sasukes chidoris ans was wayyyyyyyyyyyy weaker back then. He is not touching the ultimate shield of shukaku in the slightest!
     
         

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    Re: Wood Style Vs Lightning Style

    Sasuke owned Yamato's moukton with Chidori Nagashi. Wood is weak against lightning. Ask yourself: What happens when lightning hits a tree?
     
         

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    Re: Wood Style Vs Lightning Style

    Quote Originally Posted by unorthodox View Post
    Kirin > Wood forest, Wood dragon, and Base mokujin
    Kirins not really Raiton though
     
         

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