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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    how would minato move around so easily with a field full of black flames.

    Plus Itachi had the full 411 on Minato techniques ,family, friends and surroundings.

    Minato good but he's not winning
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Senju Kinko View Post
    how would minato move around so easily with a field full of black flames.

    Plus Itachi had the full 411 on Minato techniques ,family, friends and surroundings.

    Minato good but he's not winning
    How does that prove he has the 411 on Minato? It doesn't matter if he did anyway, Raikage knew all of his abilities yet never managed to lang a hit on Minato.

    Minato also has the 411 on Itachi since he's been watching from inside naruto.

    Minato Is to fast for itachi, Itachi's best attacks are his biggest weaknesses also. itachi would have a hard time dealing with the summons and waste a great amount of the little chakra he has trying to fight them off.

    How does he plan on hitting Minato? Minato is known for his intelligence how would he get caught in basic genjutsu considering that Sharingan is common knowledge. You're undermining Minato intelligence and abilities....

    He can't physical see of react to minato speed.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFlash1 View Post
    How does that prove he has the 411 on Minato? It doesn't matter if he did anyway, Raikage knew all of his abilities yet never managed to lang a hit on Minato.

    Minato also has the 411 on Itachi since he's been watching from inside naruto.

    Minato Is to fast for itachi, Itachi's best attacks are his biggest weaknesses also. itachi would have a hard time dealing with the summons and waste a great amount of the little chakra he has trying to fight them off.

    How does he plan on hitting Minato? Minato is known for his intelligence how would he get caught in basic genjutsu considering that Sharingan is common knowledge. You're undermining Minato intelligence and abilities....

    He can't physical see of react to minato speed.
    "The sharingan is basic knowledge" and yet he stared tobi in the eye during their fight just like almost every character except Kakashi, chiyo and guy does when facing the sharingan.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    "The sharingan is basic knowledge" and yet he stared tobi in the eye during their fight just like almost every character except Kakashi, chiyo and guy does when facing the sharingan.
    How can he see Tobi's eye when he was wearing a mask? Team Kakashi was fighting Tobi during a long time ago but never noticed his sharingan. Only Kakashi noticed it smh at the end
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    How can he see Tobi's eye when he was wearing a mask? Team Kakashi was fighting Tobi during a long time ago but never noticed his sharingan. Only Kakashi noticed it smh at the end
    His assumption that Tobi was madara kind of includes the use of the sharingan does it not?
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    How can he see Tobi's eye when he was wearing a mask? Team Kakashi was fighting Tobi during a long time ago but never noticed his sharingan. Only Kakashi noticed it smh at the end
    @ bold you just proved that even those with knowlegde still look at the sharingan.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    Itachi realistically doesn't even need MS. As minato hasn't shown any ability thus far for noticing or negating genjutsu, once he's caught in one he can be captured easily as itachi's genjutsu requires no eye contact and can mimic the exact surrounding they are already in making it impossible to decipher between genjutsu and reality without dojutsu or special training.
    Yes because we all know Kage level ninjas can't break simple sharingan gen jutsu right? Gen jutsu training is not part of routine training for shinobi.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    I'm sorry I had to;

     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrollingSage View Post
    Yes because we all know Kage level ninjas can't break simple sharingan gen jutsu right? Gen jutsu training is not part of routine training for shinobi.
    You can't break a genjutsu you don't know you're in. By the time itachi lets him figure it out he's dead already.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    His assumption that Tobi was madara kind of includes the use of the sharingan does it not?
    Never said he didn't knew he had Sharingan. He did knew it, but what i'm saying is that "nothing proves he saw that sharingan" since Tobi was wearing a mask
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Never said he didn't knew he had Sharingan. He did knew it, but what i'm saying is that "nothing proves he saw that sharingan" since Tobi was wearing a mask
    Ahh. I see your point. Sure i'll give you that. It doesn't change the outcome in my opinion though.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    You can't break a genjutsu you don't know you're in. By the time itachi lets him figure it out he's dead already.
    Thats just wishful thinking.Am pretty sure Itachi will be invincible if he could do that to any ninja without a sharingan.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrollingSage View Post
    Thats just wishful thinking.Am pretty sure Itachi will be invincible if he could do that to any ninja without a sharingan.
    itachi vs naruto in part 2, naruto didn't know he was in a genjutsu until itachi made it evident (which was when naruto threw kunais)



    same with orochimaru
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrollingSage View Post
    Thats just wishful thinking.Am pretty sure Itachi will be invincible if he could do that to any ninja without a sharingan.
    Exactly. Why do you think he's won every fight he's been in with his only difficulty against an opponent who was immune to his genjutsu?

    Think of it this way. I hope you've seen the Matrix. They subjects do not know they are in the matrix until they are released or someone tells them they are. It's the same with itachi's genjutsu. Against Deidara, Sasuke and Naruto Itachi created a genjutsu in which he recreated the surroundings. Neither Deidara or Naruto knew they were trapped and defeated until Itachi informed them. The only way sasuke knew was because of his sharingan.
     
         
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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    itachi vs naruto in part 2, naruto didn't know he was in a genjutsu until itachi made it evident (which was when naruto threw kunais)



    same with orochimaru
    Puting Naruto in a genjutsu is not a great feat. Even Kabuto was able to make him sleep with his genjutsu in part1, same genjutsu who was broken by Sakura and other elite ninjas
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Puting Naruto in a genjutsu is not a great feat. Even Kabuto was able to make him sleep with his genjutsu in part1, same genjutsu who was broken by Sakura and other elite ninjas
    not a great feat yet it took 2 others to break out of it ?
    just like minato defeating a 16 year old isn't a great feat ?
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    not a great feat yet it took 2 others to break out of it ?
    just like minato defeating a 16 year old isn't a great feat ?
    Like it also took Sakura to break Kabutos genjutsu in part1, your point?
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Like it also took Sakura to break Kabutos genjutsu in part1, your point?
    what you are saying makes no sense
    we are talking about itachi genjutsu which took 2 people to break out of it as oppose to kabuto's weak genjutsu. (only 1 person needed)
    also put into account that naruto had no defense for genjutsu back then, even with his release of chakra it still took 2 people.

    idk why kabuto is in here we are talking about itachi ?
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    what you are saying makes no sense
    we are talking about itachi genjutsu which took 2 people to break out of it as oppose to kabuto's weak genjutsu. (only 1 person needed)
    also put into account that naruto had no defense for genjutsu back then, even with his release of chakra it still took 2 people.

    idk why kabuto is in here we are talking about itachi ?
    I take Kabutos genjutsu as an example to show you that puting Naruto in a genjutsu is not a great feat since Kabuto was also able to do so, but the same genjutsu didn't worked against others like Sakura. Naruto was simply not good enough in chakra control to break that. So the fact he put Naruto in a genjutsu doesn't mean he can put another one with it. Jiraya alone was able to break Itachi's genjutsu in part1, the genjutsu he used on a civilian
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    I take Kabutos genjutsu as an example to show you that puting Naruto in a genjutsu is not a great feat since Kabuto was also able to do so, but the same genjutsu didn't worked against others like Sakura. Naruto was simply not good enough in chakra control to break that. So the fact he put Naruto in a genjutsu doesn't mean he can put another one with it. Jiraya alone was able to break Itachi's genjutsu in part1, the genjutsu he used on a civilian
    now ur making no sense

    you are trying to downgrade itachi's genjutsu when the fact that it took intense release of chakra and 2 others to break out of it also naruto didn't know he was in a genjutsu to begin with
    as oppose to kabuto's weak genjutsu
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    I take Kabutos genjutsu as an example to show you that puting Naruto in a genjutsu is not a great feat since Kabuto was also able to do so, but the same genjutsu didn't worked against others like Sakura. Naruto was simply not good enough in chakra control to break that. So the fact he put Naruto in a genjutsu doesn't mean he can put another one with it. Jiraya alone was able to break Itachi's genjutsu in part1, the genjutsu he used on a civilian
    The whole point is that even a hokage can't break a genjutsu he has no idea he is in.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    now ur making no sense

    you are trying to downgrade itachi's genjutsu when the fact that it took intense release of chakra and 2 others to break out of it also naruto didn't know he was in a genjutsu to begin with
    as oppose to kabuto's weak genjutsu
    Didn't you read the part where i told you that Jiraya alone was able to break his sharingan genjutsu? The number doesn't matter
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    The whole point is that even a hokage can't break a genjutsu he has no idea he is in.
    I don't think he can put a kage level in a genjutsu without him realising he is in
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Didn't you read the part where i told you that Jiraya alone was able to break his sharingan genjutsu? The number doesn't matter
    ur assumptions for all you know he used a weaker genjutsu, fact still remains it took 2 others to get him out .

     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    Exactly. Why do you think he's won every fight he's been in with his only difficulty against an opponent who was immune to his genjutsu?

    Think of it this way. I hope you've seen the Matrix. They subjects do not know they are in the matrix until they are released or someone tells them they are. It's the same with itachi's genjutsu. Against Deidara, Sasuke and Naruto Itachi created a genjutsu in which he recreated the surroundings. Neither Deidara or Naruto knew they were trapped and defeated until Itachi informed them. The only way sasuke knew was because of his sharingan.
    Naruto is an idiot and Deidara is also well an idiot who had never seen the sharingan before he met Itachi. Fact of the matter is any high level ninja will realize they're in a gen jutsu like Jiraiya noticed Itachi's gen jutsu . Stop over playing Itachi's gen jutsu skills. He's the most skillful gen jutsu user in the manga but that doesnt mean he's going one shot highly skilled shinobis with low level genjutus.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrollingSage View Post
    Naruto is an idiot and Deidara is also well an idiot who had never seen the sharingan before he met Itachi. Fact of the matter is any high level ninja will realize they're in a gen jutsu like Jiraiya noticed Itachi's gen jutsu . Stop over playing Itachi's gen jutsu skills. He's the most skillful gen jutsu user in the manga but that doesnt mean he's going one shot highly skilled shinobis with low level genjutus.
    The fact of the matter is that Itachi can create genjutsu that completely mimic the landscape including teammates that S rank criminals can't discern from reality. When an average person is trapped in this same jutsu, realizes it and escapes by themselves, then i'll give this to minato.
     
         

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