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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Puting Naruto in a genjutsu is not a great feat. Even Kabuto was able to make him sleep with his genjutsu in part1, same genjutsu who was broken by Sakura and other elite ninjas
    not a great feat yet it took 2 others to break out of it ?
    just like minato defeating a 16 year old isn't a great feat ?
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    not a great feat yet it took 2 others to break out of it ?
    just like minato defeating a 16 year old isn't a great feat ?
    Like it also took Sakura to break Kabutos genjutsu in part1, your point?
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Like it also took Sakura to break Kabutos genjutsu in part1, your point?
    what you are saying makes no sense
    we are talking about itachi genjutsu which took 2 people to break out of it as oppose to kabuto's weak genjutsu. (only 1 person needed)
    also put into account that naruto had no defense for genjutsu back then, even with his release of chakra it still took 2 people.

    idk why kabuto is in here we are talking about itachi ?
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    what you are saying makes no sense
    we are talking about itachi genjutsu which took 2 people to break out of it as oppose to kabuto's weak genjutsu. (only 1 person needed)
    also put into account that naruto had no defense for genjutsu back then, even with his release of chakra it still took 2 people.

    idk why kabuto is in here we are talking about itachi ?
    I take Kabutos genjutsu as an example to show you that puting Naruto in a genjutsu is not a great feat since Kabuto was also able to do so, but the same genjutsu didn't worked against others like Sakura. Naruto was simply not good enough in chakra control to break that. So the fact he put Naruto in a genjutsu doesn't mean he can put another one with it. Jiraya alone was able to break Itachi's genjutsu in part1, the genjutsu he used on a civilian
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    I take Kabutos genjutsu as an example to show you that puting Naruto in a genjutsu is not a great feat since Kabuto was also able to do so, but the same genjutsu didn't worked against others like Sakura. Naruto was simply not good enough in chakra control to break that. So the fact he put Naruto in a genjutsu doesn't mean he can put another one with it. Jiraya alone was able to break Itachi's genjutsu in part1, the genjutsu he used on a civilian
    now ur making no sense

    you are trying to downgrade itachi's genjutsu when the fact that it took intense release of chakra and 2 others to break out of it also naruto didn't know he was in a genjutsu to begin with
    as oppose to kabuto's weak genjutsu
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    I take Kabutos genjutsu as an example to show you that puting Naruto in a genjutsu is not a great feat since Kabuto was also able to do so, but the same genjutsu didn't worked against others like Sakura. Naruto was simply not good enough in chakra control to break that. So the fact he put Naruto in a genjutsu doesn't mean he can put another one with it. Jiraya alone was able to break Itachi's genjutsu in part1, the genjutsu he used on a civilian
    The whole point is that even a hokage can't break a genjutsu he has no idea he is in.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    now ur making no sense

    you are trying to downgrade itachi's genjutsu when the fact that it took intense release of chakra and 2 others to break out of it also naruto didn't know he was in a genjutsu to begin with
    as oppose to kabuto's weak genjutsu
    Didn't you read the part where i told you that Jiraya alone was able to break his sharingan genjutsu? The number doesn't matter
    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    The whole point is that even a hokage can't break a genjutsu he has no idea he is in.
    I don't think he can put a kage level in a genjutsu without him realising he is in
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Didn't you read the part where i told you that Jiraya alone was able to break his sharingan genjutsu? The number doesn't matter
    ur assumptions for all you know he used a weaker genjutsu, fact still remains it took 2 others to get him out .

     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    Exactly. Why do you think he's won every fight he's been in with his only difficulty against an opponent who was immune to his genjutsu?

    Think of it this way. I hope you've seen the Matrix. They subjects do not know they are in the matrix until they are released or someone tells them they are. It's the same with itachi's genjutsu. Against Deidara, Sasuke and Naruto Itachi created a genjutsu in which he recreated the surroundings. Neither Deidara or Naruto knew they were trapped and defeated until Itachi informed them. The only way sasuke knew was because of his sharingan.
    Naruto is an idiot and Deidara is also well an idiot who had never seen the sharingan before he met Itachi. Fact of the matter is any high level ninja will realize they're in a gen jutsu like Jiraiya noticed Itachi's gen jutsu . Stop over playing Itachi's gen jutsu skills. He's the most skillful gen jutsu user in the manga but that doesnt mean he's going one shot highly skilled shinobis with low level genjutus.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrollingSage View Post
    Naruto is an idiot and Deidara is also well an idiot who had never seen the sharingan before he met Itachi. Fact of the matter is any high level ninja will realize they're in a gen jutsu like Jiraiya noticed Itachi's gen jutsu . Stop over playing Itachi's gen jutsu skills. He's the most skillful gen jutsu user in the manga but that doesnt mean he's going one shot highly skilled shinobis with low level genjutus.
    The fact of the matter is that Itachi can create genjutsu that completely mimic the landscape including teammates that S rank criminals can't discern from reality. When an average person is trapped in this same jutsu, realizes it and escapes by themselves, then i'll give this to minato.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by -Logic- View Post
    This is pathetic.

    I love it when people try and prove things using such shitty 'arguments'.

    I mean bro, you just created the entire battle scenario to your own liking, using it as a basis to prove that Minato beats Itachi. Really?

    It's just like me saying;

    Minato FTG's behind Itachi. He's (Minato) already in Tsukuyomi. GG.

    Good jahp OP. Good jahp. :D
    spoken like someone who has an Itachi avatar and sig......
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by theRPGdude View Post
    Minato would use his space-time jutsu and go after Itachi. Itachi could not evade it and receive a beating by Minato. Itachi would use Katon Gokakyu No Jutsu but Minato would evade it easily. Minato again would use space-time justu but with a kunai this time but Itachi uses Crow Bunshin and prepares tu use Amaterasu but Minato evades it easily again but Minato didn't notice Itachi caught him in wires and use Amaterasu but Minato evades at the last moment but Amaterasu caughts his leg.

    Minato use the speed of light and frees himself from Amaterasu and hitting Itachi with Rasengan. Itachi badly wounded uses Susano'o but Minato summons Gamabunta but Itachi attacks Gamabunta with Totsuka Sword sealing him but that's not a problem and Minato summons him again (he may do it again because the Summon justu is of temporay space).

    Once summoned again he teleports with Gamabunta inside Susano'o crushing Itachi and if not Minato uses Rasengan and is all over.


    (If Minato is caught with Amaterasu he isn't getting it off. Has he done anything that would even imply that thats possible? Has anyone done so? And being sealed inside the totsuka blade isnt like being teleported somewhere else. Its permanent genjutsu. The opponent is sealed in a genjutsu stupor for all eternity. And if Minato gets caught with wires.....their is no evading Amaterasu. He's done. you either get out of the casters sight instantly or its over.)

    Would he be too fast for Itachi?

    Please note this is not my comment. I'm posting it from another website. To a person to which I don't know.
    Tsukuyomi, done.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    ur assumptions for all you know he used a weaker genjutsu, fact still remains it took 2 others to get him out .

    Yet, Jiraya alone was able to break his genjutsu, your point?
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Of Thy Soul View Post
    Tsukuyomi, done.
    More great logic from Itachi fan ! Just simply awesome, Solid evidence, Outstanding, I'm speechless right now that was amazing seriously! A mean just like that BAMMMM minato never knew what hit him eh?

    Seriously people completely overestimate that jutsu it's incredible.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Yet, Jiraya alone was able to break his genjutsu, your point?
    as i said it's your assumption i have brought you the manga page of both of them break the genjutsu with naruto,

    he used a weaker genjutsu on the kid (the kid jiraya broke out of the genjutsu)
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    as i said it's your assumption i have brought you the manga page of both of them break the genjutsu with naruto,

    he used a weaker genjutsu on the kid (the kid jiraya broke out of the genjutsu)
    Firstly it was a girl, secondly it what makes you believe the genjutsu was weaker? Assumption? It was a sharingan genjutsu if you don't know, which should obviously be stronger than the little finger genjutsu he did on Naruto. Here is the page
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Firstly it was a girl, secondly it what makes you believe the genjutsu was weaker? Assumption? It was a sharingan genjutsu if you don't know, which should obviously be stronger than the little finger genjutsu he did on Naruto. Here is the page
    yet again you refuse to stick with the manga it took two people to break him out the one he used on the kid could have been weaker, itachi took it easy on the kid and perharps a genjutsu similar to kabuto's that puts you to sleep (we all know itachi is a good guy) to say it was a strong one is still ur assumption

    fact still remains it took 2 people to break naruto out what more can i say
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    The fact of the matter is that Itachi can create genjutsu that completely mimic the landscape including teammates that S rank criminals can't discern from reality. When an average person is trapped in this same jutsu, realizes it and escapes by themselves, then i'll give this to minato.
    Well two can play that game. Until Itachi traps an intelligent kage level shinobi with it, I give this to Minato. See how easy that is? Lets get something straight here. I dont agree with the OP. But to say Itachi will take someone like Minato down without ms is well ludicrous to say the least.
    And just for the record, even Naruto realised he was in a gen jutsu after a while. He just didnt have the
    skill to break it.
     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFlash1 View Post
    How does that prove he has the 411 on Minato? It doesn't matter if he did anyway, Raikage knew all of his abilities yet never managed to lang a hit on Minato.

    Minato also has the 411 on Itachi since he's been watching from inside naruto.

    Minato Is to fast for itachi, Itachi's best attacks are his biggest weaknesses also. itachi would have a hard time dealing with the summons and waste a great amount of the little chakra he has trying to fight them off.

    How does he plan on hitting Minato? Minato is known for his intelligence how would he get caught in basic genjutsu considering that Sharingan is common knowledge. You're undermining Minato intelligence and abilities....

    He can't physical see of react to minato speed.
    Can't physical react huh?

    Killer bee was able to catch minato off guard while fightning A




    Bee couldn't even do that Itachi






    All because your fast doesn't mean your not able to get hit proof

    Minato tryed teleporting behind killer bee and bee caught him slipping again minato didn't know that killer had the knife to his stomach until he looked down





    Itachi even warned killer bee he was behind him swung and still missed




    Killer bee is a ninja with great speed look at the distance he's at when naruto & A are having a battle of speed and was still able to leap and protect naruto.


     
         

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    Re: How Minato Beats Itachi. Scenario.

    This thread shouldve died, however thsi is what ill say, both opponents are smart enough to outsmart the other.
    Now this;

    Just read what Karin is thinking as this will make things clear





    In karin's case being a sensor she can know much more clearly if she is under an illusion.

    There is another way which is attention to detail;







    Sasuke saw right through c's illusion because of the sharingan's insight, the sharigan saw right through it. Juugo thought sasuke has been taken out by darui/A, however that was an illusion, which sasuke saw right through it due to the attention to detail the sharigan allows. Obviously this ability is easy when you wield a doujutsu, however when you dont you have to rely on your intelligence and note the slightest of inconsistency which gave away the illusion

    Hope that address that section.

    Next the ability to break an illusion when you are not involved is easy and that is what jiraiya did its called the partened method, when your ally is in an illusion you insert your chakra and bla bla bla. However when the person them self is in the illusion then life becomes hard.

    Not getting involved however just becaue jiraiya used the partened method which is the best method for evading genjutsu, especially sharingan genjutsu doesnt mean that if he is stuck in one or somebody else then can easily get out of it. Orochimaru, couldve done what jiraiya did and disrupted the girl's illusion, however when he himself was in one, that is when life became hard.

    NOT getting involved, just addressing issues that is incorrect
     
         
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