EMS Madara vs. Sandaime Raikage

[Piratefish]

So, battle of long whitish hair vs long darkish hair. Also they both use chakra constructs of INSANE power, and fight on the level of Bijuu.

THIRD RAIKAGE:


Capable of cutting the Hachibi to SHREDS, it seems reasonable that he can damage even Perfect Susanoo.

Defense said to be impenetrable to anything but the MOST powerful Fuuton-jutsu (not Madara's strong suit). Body which seems to be made of ACTUAL IRON.

Speed of the highest order. Lightning-fast, if you'll allow me the term.

Endurance like no other. 10,000 men were needed to bring him down.

MADARA UCHIHA:


His Katon is insane, he has Tsukuyomi along with a host of other genjutsu (probably), Amaterasu, and, of course, Susano'o. Perfect Susano'o. Need more be said?

Again. Perfect Susano'o. Along with Sharingan precog. Defense of the highest calibre.

Madara has countered BM Naruto. His speed is undeniable.

Endurance is probably exceptional (what about this guy isn't?) but can't quite be said to challenge the Raikage's.



Who will WIN in this CLASH OF TITANS?

EDIT: It's kinda funny how they're like negative images of each other in every way.

White hair - Black hair
Beard - Beardless
Dark skin - Pale skin
Muscular - (Comparatively) Slender
Rough features - Elegant features
Badass scars - Badass LACK of scars
White vest - (Non-canon) Black armor

[DrProof]

Raikage solo's.. Very high diff.

Madara in general is overrated, but this is only EMS.

I can debate with anyone why 3rd Raikage>EMS Madara.

[Piratefish]

Raikage solo's.. Very high diff.

Madara in general is overrated, but this is only EMS.

I can debate with anyone why 3rd Raikage>EMS Madara.

I don't disagree. Feel free to add more reasoning to your argument while I gather some stuff on Jiraiya.

[DrProof]

I don't disagree. Feel free to add more reasoning to your argument while I gather some stuff on Jiraiya.

I need to do the same with Orochimaru, but i'll search around.

[USSJ Future Trunks]

PS is seerely damaging and i also doubt that madara would take him as that much of a threat at first. he will probably try beating him down with small susano then realise hes getting nowhere. then 3rd raikages hell stab cuts past susano and impales him

[bobisacoolguy]

madara

[Piratefish]

PS is seerely damaging and i also doubt that madara would take him as that much of a threat at first. he will probably try beating him down with small susano then realise hes getting nowhere. then 3rd raikages hell stab cuts past susano and impales him

We can't assume that EMS Madara will act as carelessly as the Edo version; I agree that the Sandaime might well win, but through carelessness on Madara's part? Probably not.

madara

Why?

[TheSages456]

madara soloed 5 kages with low diff. madara wins.

/thread

[Piratefish]

madara soloed 5 kages with low diff. madara wins.

/thread

Are we talking about Edo Madara? ARE WE?

Here's a comment about as helpful as yours:

Third Raikage soloed 10,000 ninja high diff. RAIKAGE RUNS CIRCLES AROUND MADARA UNTIL MADARA COLLAPSES FROM EXHAUSTION.



Oddly enough, that seems like it COULD be possible. I mean, the psychological effect of having someone watching your every move, ready to pounce at the slightest opening, for THREE DAYS, has to be devastating. Especially if you can't follow them with your eyes. Can't see them at all, really, but CAN HEAR THEM.

[Exaar]

Are we talking about Edo Madara? ARE WE?

Here's a comment about as helpful as yours:

Third Raikage soloed 10,000 ninja high diff. RAIKAGE RUNS CIRCLES AROUND MADARA UNTIL MADARA COLLAPSES FROM EXHAUSTION.



Oddly enough, that seems like it COULD be possible. I mean, the psychological effect of having someone watching your every move, ready to pounce at the slightest opening, for THREE DAYS, has to be devastating. Especially if you can't follow them with your eyes. Can't see them at all, really, but CAN HEAR THEM.

Most people seem to think that Living madara also has Unlimited chakra and that Perfect susanoo takes very miniscule ammount of chakra.
Something that Size must take a hell of alot of chakra to sustain.

Even So, 3rd raikages only chance of winning if defeating Madara befor he uses PS, Since madara wouldn't see him as a threat and would not use his full power right away, This leave a small window for the raikage.
If he cannot kill him befor Ps then he will most likely lose.

[Icelerate]

EMS Madara wins mid difficulty IMO. He hasn't shown us using haxed eye techs such as amaterasu though so it won't be an easy battle for him and the only thing he has in his arsenal that can damage the 3rd Raikage is PS.

The PS slices things on an extremely high level compared to most attacks in the manga. I think the 3rd Raikage is very resistant to blunt force type attacks but powerful piercing attacks such as hell stab and or powerful slicing jutsus such as Wind Cast Net have shown to be able to hurt him. I think the PS sword slash is on a whole other level compared to those two jutsus I listed.

What is clear is that without PS, Madara doesn't have much chances since he has nothing (maybe amaterasu) to put down the Third. EMS Madara also will not have infinite chakra nor will he have Hashirama's cells so I don't think he can maintain it for more than five minutes.

Once the PS comes to play, 3rd Raikage's only chances are in outlasting it by dodging critical hits and tanking the more minor ones for as long as possible but I don't think he can pull it off since the PS sword slash has a large area of effect and can slice a mountain with ease.

[Piratefish]

Most people seem to think that Living madara also has Unlimited chakra and that Perfect susanoo takes very miniscule ammount of chakra.
Something that Size must take a hell of alot of chakra to sustain.

Even So, 3rd raikages only chance of winning if defeating Madara befor he uses PS, Since madara wouldn't see him as a threat and would not use his full power right away, This leave a small window for the raikage.
If he cannot kill him befor Ps then he will most likely lose.

When PS is activated, he could just skedaddle out of range (REALLY ****ING FAR, in other words) and commence bombardment with Black Lightning. Either way, PS vastly increases the Third's chance of winning through endurance, and I'm also not sure if Perfect Susano'o could withstand the Hell Stab, at least not for long. Madara DID say Perfect Susano'o was comparable only to the Bijuu, and Hell Stab > Bijuu.

[Exaar]

When PS is activated, he could just skedaddle out of range (REALLY ****ING FAR, in other words) and commence bombardment with Black Lightning. Either way, PS vastly increases the Third's chance of winning through endurance, and I'm also not sure if Perfect Susano'o could withstand the Hell Stab, at least not for long. Madara DID say Perfect Susano'o was comparable only to the Bijuu, and Hell Stab > Bijuu.

We don't really know the strengths of Black Lightning, How it differs from the normal Chakra nature lightning (besides colour), nor how powerful it was in the 3rds hands.

Plus he doesn't know the strength of Ps so he would have no reason to run, I doubt he would run anyways.
The Logic is sound that since Ps = Bijuu and technically 3rd raikage is somehwat equal to the hachibi since he tied with it.

Depends on if he can get close enough to use it or not. Maybe cut of a Foot/Leg to unbalance it.

[Piratefish]

We don't really know the strengths of Black Lightning, How it differs from the normal Chakra nature lightning (besides colour), nor how powerful it was in the 3rds hands.

Plus he doesn't know the strength of Ps so he would have no reason to run, I doubt he would run anyways.
The Logic is sound that since Ps = Bijuu and technically 3rd raikage is somehwat equal to the hachibi since he tied with it.

Depends on if he can get close enough to use it or not. Maybe cut of a Foot/Leg to unbalance it.

It could really go either way, this battle. It looks like a single clean strike from either of the two would be enough to win this.

The Third is more mobile and smaller, but he also has more to cut through. I'm leaning towards him, but not decisively.

[USSJ Future Trunks]

madara soloed 5 kages with low diff

cornered and nearly sealed three times, forced to use his strongest techniques, forced to use techniques that arent even his (wood clones), lost an arm twice (dust release). low diff my fat ass

I think the 3rd Raikage is very resistant to blunt force type attacks but powerful piercing attacks such as hell stab and or powerful slicing jutsus such as Wind Cast Net have shown to be able to hurt him. I think the PS sword slash is on a whole other level compared to those two jutsus I listed.

its a shockwave. if madara STABBED him with the susano sword then yes

[SasukeCurse]

Madara has hashiramas genes he can take alot of brutal physical attacks which is what Raikages are known for it would be hell of a fight not really sure who would take it im not gunna disagree with anyones opinion but for me i think Madara would win

[Piratefish]

Madara has hashiramas genes he can take alot of brutal physical attacks which is what Raikages are known for it would be hell of a fight not really sure who would take it im not gunna disagree with anyones opinion but for me i think Madara would win

How would it your opinion change if Madara DIDN'T have Hashirama's genes, as this is the Maddy who fought Hashy at the VotE and thus completely Mokuton-free.

[SasukeCurse]

How would it your opinion change if Madara DIDN'T have Hashirama's genes, as this is the Maddy who fought Hashy at the VotE and thus completely Mokuton-free.

If ur asking me if Madara were to still fight without Mokuton aka wood release and still beat Sandaime straight up 1 v 1 then yes i do feel as Madara could still win, reason for why he could

1. He is a legendary shinobi who led the Uchiha clan
2. Uses Amaterasu, Shariangan, Ems, Susano'o tsukuyomi and ontop of all that Rinnegan
3. Has over easily 20+ jutsu's alot of them from manga
4. He's Survived every encounter and battle with Hashirama who was the strongest shinobi in there time, if he can survive against him he can survive and beat Sandaime.
5. ability to control the nine tail fox using his dojutsu.

[Piratefish]

If ur asking me if Madara were to still fight without Mokuton aka wood release and still beat Sandaime straight up 1 v 1 then yes i do feel as Madara could still win, reason for why he could

1. He is a legendary shinobi who led the Uchiha clan
2. Uses Amaterasu, Shariangan, Ems, Susano'o tsukuyomi and ontop of all that Rinnegan
3. Has over easily 20+ jutsu's alot of them from manga
4. He's Survived every encounter and battle with Hashirama who was the strongest shinobi in there time, if he can survive against him he can survive and beat Sandaime.
5. ability to control the nine tail fox using his dojutsu.

How does he compare in combat ability? Controlling the Kyuubi, surviving Hashirama, they are praiseworthy achivements, but what does he have that can hit, AND damage, the Raikage? How long until he's Hell Stabbed? Can he kill the Raikage before then?

Please attempt to provide ability analyses and explanations, not feats or feelings.

[Simple Math]

well if Madara use ps then its game over.

[TheSages456]

Are we talking about Edo Madara? ARE WE?

Here's a comment about as helpful as yours:

Third Raikage soloed 10,000 ninja high diff. RAIKAGE RUNS CIRCLES AROUND MADARA UNTIL MADARA COLLAPSES FROM EXHAUSTION.



Oddly enough, that seems like it COULD be possible. I mean, the psychological effect of having someone watching your every move, ready to pounce at the slightest opening, for THREE DAYS, has to be devastating. Especially if you can't follow them with your eyes. Can't see them at all, really, but CAN HEAR THEM.

@bold. dafuq are you babbling about?

if you think that the 3rd raikage can run the distance of a mountain range in a few seconds then i have nothing to say to you.

[MickNerks]

3rd raikage destroys EMS madara..

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Depends if 3rd Raikage can kill Madara before he uses PS, Madara does underestimate his enemies alot, IMO if Madara doesn't use PS he loses High diff, if he does he wins mid-high diff.

[Piratefish]

@bold. dafuq are you babbling about?

if you think that the 3rd raikage can run the distance of a mountain range in a few seconds then i have nothing to say to you.

I was answering a stupid, pointless comment with a slightly less stupid, pointless comment. To illustrate JUST how stupid and pointless the first comment was.

Please, tell me how Perfect Susano'o hits the Third even with the shockwave, which wouldn't harm the Raikage anyway. Raikage tanks Bijuudama, Bijuudama > Mountains. The actual Sword hitting might change the outcome, but assuming that Madara can end the battle without actually getting a clean hit with his blade is idiotic.

How does the Third NOT run across mountain ranges, anyway? His speed impresses KM Naruto to the point where he acknowledges he CAN'T compete:

Here seen taking out dozens of shinobi in an instant. That means choosing targets, landing attacks, changing directions, choosing NEW targets... DOZENS. INSTANTLY.

If he's running flat out, WHY would you believe he WOULDN'T outpace Perfect Susano'o's Sword?

Depends if 3rd Raikage can kill Madara before he uses PS, Madara does underestimate his enemies alot, IMO if Madara doesn't use PS he loses High diff, if he does he wins mid-high diff.

EDO Madara does, EMS would be a lot more cautious. One does not survive the pre-Village era as the SECOND STRONGEST in the WORLD by acting like he did against the Kages. He wanted them to know despair, not take them out efficiently.

Why would PS end the battle in Madara's favour? The Third TANKS Bijuudama and SHREDS the Hachibi:

[USSJ Future Trunks]

if he can survive against him he can survive and beat Sandaime.

yet hashirama did not beat sandaime