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    Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Pretty obvious, I'd say, but hey, here's the argument:

    1. Obito said Itachi could kill him with knowledge



    And knowledge is gained from experience, for those of you who don't know.

    So Obito carefully guarding his secrets means he was the one keeping his distance.

    2. Why didn't Itachi kill him then?



    Why didn't the Five Kages and all of their guards kill Tobi?

    Why'd didn't Minato with all of Konoha kill Tobi?

    Because Obito can phase out of and teleport away from any fight.

    3. Itachi was the one (who couldn't teleport) surrounded by Tobi's allies.



    Why didn't Tobi defeat Itachi and control him with genjutsu like he did with Yagura?

    Why didn't Tobi store Itachi in the handy-dandy pocket-dimension until he needed him like with Torrune?

    Why didn't Tobi replace Itachi with a White Zetsu clone for Sasuke like he did with Kisame?

    Why did Tobi hide in the shadows for years when Itachi joined, and didn't emerge until just before Itachi died?

    4. Itachi was Tobi's problem.



    Regardless of translation specifics, Itachi was a problem.

    And Tobi didn't make a move on Konoha until Itachi was dead.

    If Tobi betrayed a pact after the pactmaker died, that means he didn't respect the pact.

    Only the pactmaker. Tobi didn't move purely because he didn't want to cross a living Itachi.

    He had Akatsuki annihilating Konoha before Itachi's body was even cold.

    4. Tobi thought Itachi was the bee's-knees. Itachi thought Tobi ['current Madara'] was pathetic.





    And you'd be surprised how many can't differentiate 'pathetic shell of former self' from 'invincible Madara.'

    5. Tobi's Kamui has an obvious counter.



    Tobi cannot attack and defend at the same time.

    Gai countered Obito's offense with his nunchucks. It isn't unstoppable.

    But guess who has clones? Guess who can fool a Dragon Sage and EMS user with feints?

    Guess whose clones explode, which can make Obito absorb explosive damage like Konan did?

    Heck, he has exploding clones and one of the fastest ninjutsu and one the fastest jutsu molding speeds.

    Itachi's a walking counter to Obito's Kamui.

    The author wouldn't even have to create new jutsu out of nowehere for Itachi to look great...

    5. Tobi's only other primary jutsu was Izanagi



    Who was that ninja with the jutsu specifically designed to trounce Izanagi?

    Conclusion

    So, why didn't the terminally ill teenager with deteriorating eyesight that was waltzing around the enemy base as a known double-agent for nearly a decade, who was actively keeping the Big Bad from attacking Konoha again, kill the Big Bad? Because the Big Bad was hiding in the shadows. He was hiding from Itachi so effectively that even the readers didn't know he existed until the 300 chapters in.
     
         
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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    I feel like you need more information to make a good argument for this
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Stopped.reading at he didn't give a damn about the.pact because that's just a fanboy thing to say.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    Stopped.reading at he didn't give a damn about the.pact because that's just a fanboy thing to say.
    When someone turns on a pact the moment the person they made it with dies, then they didn't give a damn about it. If facts make you stop reading, then you should stop reading altogether.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilt View Post
    When someone turns on a pact the moment the person they made it with dies, then they didn't give a damn about it. If facts make you stop reading, then you should stop reading altogether.
    Why should he keep a pact with a dead man? That is like a country having a treaty with another country that doesn't exist anymore.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Why should he keep a pact with a dead man? That is like a country having a treaty with another country that doesn't exist anymore.
    Yes I agree it's completely pointless
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Why should he keep a pact with a dead man? That is like a country having a treaty with another country that doesn't exist anymore.
    Let me answer your question with an analogy. If I made a pact with you to never have sex with your wife, and didn't do so for years, but then had sex with your wife after you died, but before your body was cold, then I didn't care about the pact. I cared about you reacting to me breaking the pact.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilt View Post
    Let me answer your question with an analogy. If I made a pact with you to never have sex with your wife, and didn't do so for years, but then had sex with your wife after you died, but before your body was cold, then I didn't care about the pact. I cared about you reacting to me breaking the pact.
    Well she's not his wife anymore she's a widow ... So the title of wife goes away and makes it Fair game
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilt View Post
    Let me answer your question with an analogy. If I made a pact with you to never have sex with your wife, and didn't do so for years, but then had sex with your wife after you died, but before your body was cold, then I didn't care about the pact. I cared about you reacting to me breaking the pact.
    Wow this is stupid u proved the other guys point if he dies that woman is no longer be his wife so u r not having sex with his wife cause she is now a widow so there is no point in keeping the pact
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilt View Post
    When someone turns on a pact the moment the person they made it with dies, then they didn't give a damn about it. If facts make you stop reading, then you should stop reading altogether.
    Not really. A pact ends with death. That's just a fact.

    However, I agree with you that Itachi could kill Tobi using his intelligence.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    Not really. A pact ends with death. That's just a fact..
    Is that a fact? lol
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

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    Is that a fact? lol
    What's the point of this post?
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilt View Post
    When someone turns on a pact the moment the person they made it with dies, then they didn't give a damn about it. If facts make you stop reading, then you should stop reading altogether.
    This isn't Harry Potter dear...
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilt View Post
    When someone turns on a pact the moment the person they made it with dies, then they didn't give a damn about it. If facts make you stop reading, then you should stop reading altogether.
    While I may agree with the fact that Itachi was a problem for Obito, he didn't kill him because Obito was obviously intelligent enough not to leave an opening. Godly intelligence this, wtf op that. Itachi wins no matter what. That, in and of itself is fanboyism.

    Intelligence creates openings, however small, but the fact of the matter is Obito was nearly as intelligent, if not just as intelligent, for doing what he did. In the process, Itachi died.....Twice. Is Obito still alive? Yes, he is. Itachi wasn't as intelligent as you all praise him to be simply because he squandered his life needlessly. Everything he's done, he's failed at, sadly. He didn't protect the leaf, he didn't change Sasuke, nor did he kill Obito. Not bashing, but if you want to talk about facts, those are the facts.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    No need to read, I completely agree. It's obvious imo. Obito is more powerful than Itachi, but Itachi's godly intelligence is what could've ended Obito if Itachi had known all of his secrets. Kishi doesn't have 99% of the characters praise Itachi's abilities, potential, and intelligence for nothing.
     
         
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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiLeeHatake View Post
    No need to read, I completely agree. It's obvious imo. Obito is more powerful than Itachi, but Itachi's goldy intelligence is what could've ended Obito if Itachi had known all of his secrets. Kishi doesn't have 99% of the characters praise Itachi's abilities, potential, and intelligence for nothing.
    this pretty much sums up what i was gonna say...
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

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    this pretty much sums up what i was gonna say...
    Great minds think alike they say.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiLeeHatake View Post
    No need to read, I completely agree. It's obvious imo. Obito is more powerful than Itachi, but Itachi's godly intelligence is what could've ended Obito if Itachi had known all of his secrets. Kishi doesn't have 99% of the characters praise Itachi's abilities, potential, and intelligence for nothing.
    This.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    I agree. If tobi could have killed itachi he wouldn't have made a pact with him in the first place.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    I agree. If tobi could have killed itachi he wouldn't have made a pact with him in the first place.
    Spot on brother....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilt View Post
    Pretty obvious, I'd say, but hey, here's the argument:

    1. Obito said Itachi could kill him with knowledge



    And knowledge is gained from experience, for those of you who don't know.

    So Obito carefully guarding his secrets means he was the one keeping his distance.

    2. Why didn't Itachi kill him then?



    Why didn't the Five Kages and all of their guards kill Tobi?

    Why'd didn't Minato with all of Konoha kill Tobi?

    Because Obito can phase out of and teleport away from any fight.

    3. Itachi was the one (who couldn't teleport) surrounded by Tobi's allies.



    Why didn't Tobi defeat Itachi and control him with genjutsu like he did with Yagura?

    Why didn't Tobi store Itachi in the handy-dandy pocket-dimension until he needed him like with Torrune?

    Why didn't Tobi replace Itachi with a White Zetsu clone for Sasuke like he did with Kisame?

    Why did Tobi hide in the shadows for years when Itachi joined, and didn't emerge until just before Itachi died?

    4. Itachi was Tobi's problem.



    Regardless of translation specifics, Itachi was a problem.

    And Tobi didn't make a move on Konoha until Itachi was dead.

    If Tobi betrayed a pact after the pactmaker died, that means he didn't respect the pact.

    Only the pactmaker. Tobi didn't move purely because he didn't want to cross a living Itachi.

    He had Akatsuki annihilating Konoha before Itachi's body was even cold.

    4. Tobi thought Itachi was the bee's-knees. Itachi thought Tobi ['current Madara'] was pathetic.





    And you'd be surprised how many can't differentiate 'pathetic shell of former self' from 'invincible Madara.'

    5. Tobi's Kamui has an obvious counter.



    Tobi cannot attack and defend at the same time.

    Gai countered Obito's offense with his nunchucks. It isn't unstoppable.

    But guess who has clones? Guess who can fool a Dragon Sage and EMS user with feints?

    Guess whose clones explode, which can make Obito absorb explosive damage like Konan did?

    Heck, he has exploding clones and one of the fastest ninjutsu and one the fastest jutsu molding speeds.

    Itachi's a walking counter to Obito's Kamui.

    The author wouldn't even have to create new jutsu out of nowehere for Itachi to look great...

    5. Tobi's only other primary jutsu was Izanagi



    Who was that ninja with the jutsu specifically designed to trounce Izanagi?

    Conclusion

    So, why didn't the terminally ill teenager with deteriorating eyesight that was waltzing around the enemy base as a known double-agent for nearly a decade, who was actively keeping the Big Bad from attacking Konoha again, kill the Big Bad? Because the Big Bad was hiding in the shadows. He was hiding from Itachi so effectively that even the readers didn't know he existed until the 300 chapters in.

    Take a bow sweetheart...HATSOFF...NO 1 could have put it in a better way...*****....great effort...U have put it in a such a lovely way that u havent left any valid questions unanswered...Its pretty obvious after reading ur comment that ITACHI would have owned him...

     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by IIB7252 View Post
    Spot on brother....




    Take a bow sweetheart...HATSOFF...NO 1 could have put it in a better way...*****....great effort...U have put it in a such a lovely way that u havent left any valid questions unanswered...Its pretty obvious after reading ur comment that ITACHI would have owned him...

    Those are pathetic excuses..... For one, it's a manga so everything happens for a reason. If he was to keep itachi captured then we wouldn't have seen him and he has to play a part of the story.

    Itachi didn't have anything that could hurt Itachi, infact itach never even knew who it was. Itachi didn't have a chance of killing tobi.

    Itachi was a key piece to the akatsuki and was willing going to do what Obito said, why would he keep him captured.

    Itachi couldn't hope to defeat him because itachi doesn't have to the feat's to hit him. He beat's him in intelligence although obito just stay intangible and let's itachi ware himself out. Susanoo can't keep obito away, nothiing can!

    Although put it this way, If itachi loved the leaf village, then why didn't he kill the biggest threat to the village? Considering that noone knew about tobi.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    I agree. If tobi could have killed itachi he wouldn't have made a pact with him in the first place.
    im completely agree tobi only makes pacts with people he fears as in kabuto and itachi end of
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Oh yeah, don't forget plot no jutsu. Kishi wouldn't have had Itachi kill Obito, the frickin main antagonist. That's Naruto's job.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    You're acting like Itachi didn't know Obito was the leader of the akatsuki, talking about how he was hiding until Itachi died Pfft Obito was hiding cause he couldn't reveal himself yet he didn't reveal himself as leader until after Yahiko died.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Great post! I agree, I really believe Itachi could have killed him, had Obito been dumb enough to have told him everything. Defiantly Obito was scared to make a move on Konoha, while Itachi was there, no doubt.
     
         

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