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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Well I guess I've won this argument, as you have resorted to trolling.

    GG Troll.
    LOL Are you really THAT HAPPY that you CLAIM to have won an argument on a stupid forum that you haven't even won LOLZ. Itachi outbrains both Minato and Obito just deal with it. All you kids can come up with is Kamui this and Kamui that while others have come up with decent reasons why Itachi is able to win.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

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    How old are you bro?
    Older than Madara. TROOOOOOOOOOOOOOLOLOLOLOLO!
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by TrollingSage View Post
    Actually Danzu activated izanagi just before the attack hit.

    You can see him weaving the signs just as the attack was about to hit.
    So how did Obito overcome Amaterasu?
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

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    Older than Madara. TROOOOOOOOOOOOOOLOLOLOLOLO!
    So I guess you're admitting defeat now, right? Since you obviously can't come up with productive enough counters.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSlick View Post
    So I guess you're admitting defeat now, right? Since you obviously can't come up with productive enough counters.
    WITH PRODUCTIVE ENOUGH COUNTERS? Dude i've come up with enough counters to your ***gish Kamui and you just can't admit that i'm right that's why i turned into TROLLSTYLE.

    Are you kids really trying to win an ARGUMENT on this pathetic Base?
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Then how else did he remove the flames? And if the jutsu must be activated before the attack, as you say, why was Danzō seemingly hurt by Sasuke's Susano'o arrow before the jutsu (Izanagi) was used [1]? That page even states that wounds or death can be trolled, not 'avoided' in a sense.
    Ive no idea how he got rid of amaterasu, but it DEFINITELY wasnt izanagi, it cannot be.


    Ill explain to you again. Izanagi is an illusion used the caster. In this illusion every injury that the caster sustain's when the illusion ends, thats it. Nothing happens to the caster because its an illusion.

    In the image you showed. Danzo activated izanagi before the arrow and when he got impaled by that was izanagi, he has used it before the arrow and that image actually explains how izanagi works.

    For the briefest of moments the user casts the illusion and everything that happens in the illusion didnt happen when the illusion ends.

    Ill give you two examples of what im talking about. As we all know sasuke tricked danzo with a genjutsu and make him think that he had one more eye for izanagi;



    Basically when the eye closes is when the technique ends. Danzo wasnt sure about izanagi's duration and sasuke took advantage of this and make him think that the last eye was still open meaning izanagi was still activated, however that eye was closed. His last izanagi had ended. He attacked sasuke head on thinking that because the eye was still opened if he takes damage, its in izanagi therefore he trolls sasuke and kills sasuke.

    But he didnt know that izanagi had ended and what was about to happen wasnt izanagi but real life.

    Ill use Otbio as another example. He used izanagi before the blasts started when he grabs his mask;



    If tobi had used izanagi after the technique he would be dead because its real life. Its the illusion and that only where the user of izanagi evades death.

    I dont usually use wikipedia but they explain it alot better. I cannot be asked so ill take the easy way out.
    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Izanagi

    For tobi to have trolled amaterasu with izanagi he wouldve had to have used it before the amaterasu
     
         
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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Alright, although I can't see why the technique would have that kind of restriction. Is it only limited to what Danzō showed? Why would Uchiha sacrifice an eye for an attack that they could see coming? Of course, i'm not suggesting that such a jutsu could be used after a person has passed away. But I see no reason why it couldn't be used to, say, recover from getting stabbed in the back; the user would be totally caught by surprise, and this seems to be a scenario more suited to the use of Izanagi, as it would turn critical injuries into nothingness. Why use Izanagi to remove a jutsu or injury you could've simply avoided in the first place - if they have time to use the handseals, why not just move out the way? Anyhow, there can't be another other way for Obito to have avoided Amaterasu. He could not have used Kamui, since the flames would move with him into his pocket dimension. Unless we're saying Obito has a method of trolling Amaterasu at will (a method outside of Izanagi) - that's actually totally fine by me.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Alright, although I can't see why the technique would have that kind of restriction. Is it only limited to what Danzō showed? Why would Uchiha sacrifice an eye for an attack that they could see coming? Of course, i'm not suggesting that such a jutsu could be used after a person has passed away. But I see no reason why it couldn't be used to, say, recover from getting stabbed in the back; the user would be totally caught by surprise, and this seems to be a scenario more suited to the use of Izanagi, as it would turn critical injuries into nothingness. Why use Izanagi to remove a jutsu or injury you could've simply avoided in the first place - if they have time to use the handseals, why not just move out the way? Anyhow, there can't be another other way for Obito to have avoided Amaterasu. He could not have used Kamui, since the flames would move with him into his pocket dimension. Unless we're saying Obito has a method of trolling Amaterasu at will (a method outside of Izanagi) - that's actually totally fine by me.
    Just go back to obito vs konan. Obito had already achieved great damage BEFORE izanagi. Even after izanagi he still had these damages which was an arm. That is because its real life and not the illusion where he achieved these damage. In the illusion and there only is where you can troll damage. Any damage that wasnt during izanagi's duration is real

    As for the bold, the possibilities are endless. As the manga says



    "During an important fight where uchiha were not allowed to fail izanagi was extremely useful". This could very well translate to basically casting the illusion therefore for that brief moment they are invincible if they along with their opponent inflict fata damage upon each other, they survive because its an illusion on themselves. Their opponent however dies.

    The scenario where danzo tried to kill sasuke by taking the blow head on and thinking he would survive because its izanagi is a great example.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Just go back to obito vs konan. Obito had already achieved great damage BEFORE izanagi. Even after izanagi he still had these damages which was an arm. That is because its real life and not the illusion where he achieved these damage. In the illusion and there only is where you can troll damage. Anyway damage that wasnt during izanagi's duration is real

    As for the bold, the possibilities are endless. As the manga says



    "During an important fight where uchiha were not allowed to fail izanagi was extremely useful". This could very well translate to basically casting the illusion therefore for that brief moment they are invincible if they along with their opponent inflict fata damage upon each other, they survive because its an illusion on themselves. Their opponent however dies.

    The scenario where danzo tried to kill sasuke by taking the blow head on and thinking he would survive because its izanagi is a great example.
    Well yeah, Izanagi is only influencing the injuries received for that set period of time - for Obito, it would've been the 'injuries' he sustained while inside the Kami no Shisha, not for those picked up beforehand. What you're saying is true, but i'm asking you if it's only restricted to these examples. It doesn't make sense for people to be using Izanagi when they can simply avoid the attack. Has the manga said that Izanagi's effectiveness is only limited to when it's activated before the injury is sustained? And you have to consider Obito's example, because if what you're saying is completely set in stone, Obito can overcome Amaterasu without Kamui and without Izanagi. That makes him even more hax.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Well yeah, Izanagi is only influencing the injuries received for that set period of time - for Obito, it would've been the 'injuries' he sustained while inside the Kami no Shisha, not for those picked up beforehand. What you're saying is true, but i'm asking you if it's only restricted to these examples. It doesn't make sense for people to be using Izanagi when they can simply avoid the attack. Has the manga said that Izanagi's effectiveness is only limited to when it's activated before the injury is sustained? And you have to consider Obito's example, because if what you're saying is completely set in stone, Obito can overcome Amaterasu without Kamui and without Izanagi. That makes him even more hax.
    Again even after tobi used izanagi, his injuries that he sustained before izanagi was there even after izanagi. Only in the illusion and there only can you evade damage.

    Im not certain what tobi used to evade amaterasu, perhaps he also can put it out via his ms. However it definitely wasnt izanagi. He would have to have used it before amaterasu and when he was caught off guard like that. he clearly didnt think that such a thing could happen
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    konan put obito in a tight spot, and she had knowledge just think of what would happen if itachi had that kind of knowledge ?

    obito has said he would he dead if he didn't keep a few secrets from itachi. (this is in fact the reason konan lost that fight, because she didn;t have knowlegde of inzanagi, in itachi's case i think it's the opposite, itachi doesn't know about kamui but he knows of izanagi.)
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Again even after tobi used izanagi, his injuries that he sustained before izanagi was there even after izanagi. Only in the illusion and there only can you evade damage.
    Yeah, because Izanagi isn't for an infinite period of time. If you have an Izanagi lasting only 30 seconds then only injuries sustained in that 30 second period would be wiped. And i'm asking you.

    Im not certain what tobi used to evade amaterasu, perhaps he also can put it out via his ms. However it definitely wasnt izanagi. He would have to have used it before amaterasu and when he was caught off guard like that. he clearly didnt think that such a thing could happen
    Alright, it would only make things easier for him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    konan put obito in a tight spot, and she had knowledge just think of what would happen if itachi had that kind of knowledge ?

    obito has said he would he dead if he didn't keep a few secrets from itachi. (this is in fact the reason konan lost that fight)
    He never said he'd lose to Itachi in a fight if the latter had knowledge.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Yeah, because Izanagi isn't for an infinite period of time. If you have an Izanagi lasting only 30 seconds then only injuries sustained in that 30 second period would be wiped. And i'm asking you.



    Alright, it would only make things easier for him.



    He never said he'd lose to Itachi in a fight if the latter had knowledge.
    he said he would be dead if itachi knew all about him, i know obito meant that if he had no defense for amaterasu he would be dead.

    but what he refers to is that if itachi knew of obito's powers itachi would have approached obito differently, itachi just used amaterasu because he knew obito had no counters for it (at least that's what he thought because he had limited knowledge )
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    he said he would be dead if itachi knew all about him, i know obito meant that if he had no defense for amaterasu he would be dead.

    but what he refers to is that if itachi knew of obito's powers itachi would have approached obito differently, itachi just used amaterasu because he knew obito had no counters for it (at least that's what he thought because he had limited knowledge )
    He said he'd have been dead 'right now' had Itachi known that he had some sort of counter to Amaterasu (and tried something else instead). That doesn't equate to 'Itachi could defeat me in the past". If you read the whole chapter then you would've seen that the entire conversation revolved around Itachi's Amaterasu transcription seal and it's plantation in Sasuke. Not that Itachi could've defeated him in the past. There wasn't even a mention of a one on one fight.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    He said he'd have been dead 'right now' had Itachi known that he had some sort of counter to Amaterasu (and tried something else instead). If you read the whole chapter then you would've seen that the entire conversation revolved around Itachi's Amaterasu transcription seal and it's plantation in Sasuke. Not that Itachi could've defeated him in the past. There wasn't even a mention of a one on one fight.
    my post had nothing to do with itachi defeating obito in the past, i just stated that things would be different if itachi has knowledge which is what obito was trying to say and i also made a reference to konan
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Yeah, because Izanagi isn't for an infinite period of time. If you have an Izanagi lasting only 30 seconds then only injuries sustained in that 30 second period would be wiped. And i'm asking you.
    Thats basically it. To upload image's.

    Tobi had sustained damage before izanagi here;

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/509/14

    He used izanagi here;

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/4

    When he went to get nagato's rinnegan after using genjutsu on konan to get this info he still had the injuries he had before izanagi;

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/16
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    my post had nothing to do with itachi defeating obito in the past, i just stated that things would be different if itachi has knowledge which is what obito was trying to say and i also made a reference to konan
    I was not only referring to your recent post, but another you had actually made earlier on in this thread, a statement which was completely fallacious in the sense that it implied Itachi could've killed Obito in a one on one fight.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    I was not only referring to your recent post, but another you had actually made earlier on in this thread, a statement which was completely fallacious in the sense that it implied Itachi could've killed Obito in a one on one fight.
    that's what i posted what i posted :sy:

    i didn't quote anyone did i was simply correcting what i said. (or a change of opinion)
     
         
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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Thats basically it. To upload image's.

    Tobi had sustained damage before izanagi here;

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/509/14

    He used izanagi here;

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/4

    When he went to get nagato's rinnegan after using genjutsu on konan to get this info he still had the injuries he had before izanagi;

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/16
    From what I understand, you're saying that Izanagi must be activated before the injury is received because that is how Danzō approached the situation. I am merely asking you if the manga has stated that Izanagi is limited to this approach only. Because from where I stand, the jutsu could infact be used the moment a critical blow has already been dealt; and it's that brief period of time which the jutsu can erase. That brief period of time in which the injury was inflicted becomes an illusion, my example being Obito vs Amaterasu. It just doesn't make sense to me that this forbidden jutsu would/could only be used for predictable scenarios. If it were so predictable, why sacrifice an eye for it? Why not do something else about it? I got the impression that Izanagi could also be used to troll the moments where Uchiha simply were not allowed to fail - moments that they could not foresee.
     
         
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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Noddy View Post
    Well yeah, Izanagi is only influencing the injuries received for that set period of time - for Obito, it would've been the 'injuries' he sustained while inside the Kami no Shisha, not for those picked up beforehand. What you're saying is true, but i'm asking you if it's only restricted to these examples. It doesn't make sense for people to be using Izanagi when they can simply avoid the attack. Has the manga said that Izanagi's effectiveness is only limited to when it's activated before the injury is sustained? And you have to consider Obito's example, because if what you're saying is completely set in stone, Obito can overcome Amaterasu without Kamui and without Izanagi. That makes him even more hax.
    Well think about Sasuke vs Deidara. When Deidara was about to blow himself up and Sasuke could do nothing about it. Izanagi would have been useful then. Another example would be Madara's meteors or Chibaku tensei. All good examples of jutsus you can see coming but can do nothing to avoid them. Having izanagi would be useful in those scenarios.
    And also don't forget the sharingan has pre cog abilties.
    And about what Tobi did to the flames. Am pretty sure he simply warped it to his pocket dimension. It sounds like the obvious thing to do doesnt it?
     
         
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