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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...



    obito was talking about that situation (surprise amaterasu from sasuke) that if he havent have a secret he would have die RIGHT NOW. thats itachi's only chance to kill obito caught him offguard but itachi fails
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    People seem to forget we haven't Obito's true potential yet. He still has his fire jutsu and woodstyle to utilize against kakashi/naruto, etc. Not only that, but Madara trained and taught him everything he knew, which basically makes him EMS Madara without a Susanoo. I don't think Itachi can defeat him. Itachi is smart, but so is Obito. Being called a genius is nothing new, since even Rock Lee was called a genius, but look at him now compared to Naruto.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Duh.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilt View Post
    To express amusement toward your incorrect conviction of what a pact inherently entails.
    I am not incorrect. One.can.choose to follow the pact after the.other person(s) in the pact dies, but the pact is broken by death.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Your thread is just a wishful thinking. Anyone can come up with part of mangas and believe it's the truth. What is even funny is that you cut parts of Itachis sentence to recompose it for your own will. Itachi refered to Obito(who he thought was Madara) as invincible and he admitted himself that he needed EMS to surpass him

     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    I believe a fight between these two are 50/50 on both sides. Itachi's rant about Obito was only to fuel Sasuke and to seal his false intentions into him, giving him more reason to believe he was evil. So you really can't use use what he said about Obito as a valid sorce.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    People seem to forget we haven't Obito's true potential yet. He still has his fire jutsu and woodstyle to utilize against kakashi/naruto, etc. Not only that, but Madara trained and taught him everything he knew, which basically makes him EMS Madara without a Susanoo. I don't think Itachi can defeat him. Itachi is smart, but so is Obito. Being called a genius is nothing new, since even Rock Lee was called a genius, but look at him now compared to Naruto.
    We've never seen Itachi at full power and yet owned all of his opponents. Not to mention that he never intended to kill them. And yes a great counter for Kamui is 1 of Itachi's Kage Bunshin's that can explode while being absorbed by Obito. People only give credits to Obito and Kakashi since Kamui has been seen more in the Manga. It's just another technique that has a weakness like Itachi mentioned. With that in the back of his mind he can take on anyone. And Itachi is way too smart for Obito.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    great post..chapter 609 shows easy it is to counter obito...His lack of intelligence would be his demise against Itachi
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    No he cannot hes to weak If u think izanami can be casted dont think Obito will fall for it Obito>>>itachi meybe mid dif
    In the dimension Itachi wuld be just an target.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    He can't beat obito .... That's a stupid remark tbh.

    They had a deal, Obito merely kept his deal untill itachi was dead.

    Itachi loved the leaf and the biggest threat to the leaf village was obito don't you think if he was given the chance then he would have killed him? He waited till he was dead to try and come up with a plan which back fired on him.....

    Obito merely kept his around being he was an asset to him, merely because he was a skilled ninja that would help them collect Bujjis !
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    I agree. If tobi could have killed itachi he wouldn't have made a pact with him in the first place.
    Spot on brother....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilt View Post
    Pretty obvious, I'd say, but hey, here's the argument:

    1. Obito said Itachi could kill him with knowledge



    And knowledge is gained from experience, for those of you who don't know.

    So Obito carefully guarding his secrets means he was the one keeping his distance.

    2. Why didn't Itachi kill him then?



    Why didn't the Five Kages and all of their guards kill Tobi?

    Why'd didn't Minato with all of Konoha kill Tobi?

    Because Obito can phase out of and teleport away from any fight.

    3. Itachi was the one (who couldn't teleport) surrounded by Tobi's allies.



    Why didn't Tobi defeat Itachi and control him with genjutsu like he did with Yagura?

    Why didn't Tobi store Itachi in the handy-dandy pocket-dimension until he needed him like with Torrune?

    Why didn't Tobi replace Itachi with a White Zetsu clone for Sasuke like he did with Kisame?

    Why did Tobi hide in the shadows for years when Itachi joined, and didn't emerge until just before Itachi died?

    4. Itachi was Tobi's problem.



    Regardless of translation specifics, Itachi was a problem.

    And Tobi didn't make a move on Konoha until Itachi was dead.

    If Tobi betrayed a pact after the pactmaker died, that means he didn't respect the pact.

    Only the pactmaker. Tobi didn't move purely because he didn't want to cross a living Itachi.

    He had Akatsuki annihilating Konoha before Itachi's body was even cold.

    4. Tobi thought Itachi was the bee's-knees. Itachi thought Tobi ['current Madara'] was pathetic.





    And you'd be surprised how many can't differentiate 'pathetic shell of former self' from 'invincible Madara.'

    5. Tobi's Kamui has an obvious counter.



    Tobi cannot attack and defend at the same time.

    Gai countered Obito's offense with his nunchucks. It isn't unstoppable.

    But guess who has clones? Guess who can fool a Dragon Sage and EMS user with feints?

    Guess whose clones explode, which can make Obito absorb explosive damage like Konan did?

    Heck, he has exploding clones and one of the fastest ninjutsu and one the fastest jutsu molding speeds.

    Itachi's a walking counter to Obito's Kamui.

    The author wouldn't even have to create new jutsu out of nowehere for Itachi to look great...

    5. Tobi's only other primary jutsu was Izanagi



    Who was that ninja with the jutsu specifically designed to trounce Izanagi?

    Conclusion

    So, why didn't the terminally ill teenager with deteriorating eyesight that was waltzing around the enemy base as a known double-agent for nearly a decade, who was actively keeping the Big Bad from attacking Konoha again, kill the Big Bad? Because the Big Bad was hiding in the shadows. He was hiding from Itachi so effectively that even the readers didn't know he existed until the 300 chapters in.

    Take a bow sweetheart...HATSOFF...NO 1 could have put it in a better way...*****....great effort...U have put it in a such a lovely way that u havent left any valid questions unanswered...Its pretty obvious after reading ur comment that ITACHI would have owned him...

     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by IIB7252 View Post
    Spot on brother....




    Take a bow sweetheart...HATSOFF...NO 1 could have put it in a better way...*****....great effort...U have put it in a such a lovely way that u havent left any valid questions unanswered...Its pretty obvious after reading ur comment that ITACHI would have owned him...

    Those are pathetic excuses..... For one, it's a manga so everything happens for a reason. If he was to keep itachi captured then we wouldn't have seen him and he has to play a part of the story.

    Itachi didn't have anything that could hurt Itachi, infact itach never even knew who it was. Itachi didn't have a chance of killing tobi.

    Itachi was a key piece to the akatsuki and was willing going to do what Obito said, why would he keep him captured.

    Itachi couldn't hope to defeat him because itachi doesn't have to the feat's to hit him. He beat's him in intelligence although obito just stay intangible and let's itachi ware himself out. Susanoo can't keep obito away, nothiing can!

    Although put it this way, If itachi loved the leaf village, then why didn't he kill the biggest threat to the village? Considering that noone knew about tobi.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilt View Post
    Pretty obvious, I'd say, but hey, here's the argument:

    1. Obito said Itachi could kill him with knowledge



    And knowledge is gained from experience, for those of you who don't know.

    So Obito carefully guarding his secrets means he was the one keeping his distance.


    I agree with this one. If Itachi had full knowledge on Obito, he would have defeated him with preparations and a trap. After all, even Konan almost defeated Obito without full knowledge. So I agree, but it isn't really anything outstanding.


    2. Why didn't Itachi kill him then?



    Why didn't the Five Kages and all of their guards kill Tobi?

    Why'd didn't Minato with all of Konoha kill Tobi?

    Because Obito can phase out of and teleport away from any fight.
    That's not exactly the reason. Obito would have harder time escaping from a fight against Itachi than just nullifying one failed Amaterasu assassination attempt after Itachi's death. If Itachi hoped Ama trap could kill Obito then he should have known confronting Obito face to face would be even better.

    The real reason why Itachi did not do anything is because of hype. Obito was believed to be Madara by Itachi, and Itachi preferred not to fight him since he thought he would have lost. That's why he resorted to a post-death trap (which Obito called a fail even though he was surprised).

    3. Itachi was the one (who couldn't teleport) surrounded by Tobi's allies.



    Why didn't Tobi defeat Itachi and control him with genjutsu like he did with Yagura?
    Because Yagura started the blood mist even before Obito was evil, which implies he was controlled by Madara at first, not Obito. Obito most likely just continued what Madara started.
    Besides, Itachi is better in genjutsu than Yagura. It would be more difficult to put him in it.

    Why didn't Tobi store Itachi in the handy-dandy pocket-dimension until he needed him like with Torrune?
    Why should he? They were cooperating anyway for the whole time, even though it was a pact of convenience rather than friendship. Imprisoning him would create a risk of Itachi stopping this cooperation.
    Why didn't Tobi replace Itachi with a White Zetsu clone for Sasuke like he did with Kisame?
    Because Itachi's death was one of the reasons as to why Sasuke joined Obito and that was the plan.
    Why did Tobi hide in the shadows for years when Itachi joined, and didn't emerge until just before Itachi died?
    Again - why should he? Nagato, Zetsu and Itachi knew about Obito anyway (even though they thought he was Madara, except for Zetsu). It's not like he pretended to be a goofus because of Itachi.
    4. Itachi was Tobi's problem.



    Regardless of translation specifics, Itachi was a problem.

    And Tobi didn't make a move on Konoha until Itachi was dead.

    If Tobi betrayed a pact after the pactmaker died, that means he didn't respect the pact.

    Only the pactmaker. Tobi didn't move purely because he didn't want to cross a living Itachi.

    He had Akatsuki annihilating Konoha before Itachi's body was even cold
    .

    They had a pact, as I said. If it would truly be nuisance to Obito, he would have simply ordered Nagato to kill Itachi. You might argue whether Itachi was stronger than MS Obito and some even argue (though it's stupid) whether Nagato can kill Itachi, but even the most devoted fanboys would agree that Obito and Nagato together would rape Itachi badly.

    4. Tobi thought Itachi was the bee's-knees. Itachi thought Tobi ['current Madara'] was pathetic.





    And you'd be surprised how many can't differentiate 'pathetic shell of former self' from 'invincible Madara.'
    He told this to Sasuke so it is likely it was a lie just like other things.

    5. Tobi's Kamui has an obvious counter.



    Tobi cannot attack and defend at the same time.

    Gai countered Obito's offense with his nunchucks. It isn't unstoppable.
    No one said it was.
    But guess who has clones? Guess who can fool a Dragon Sage and EMS user with feints?
    Itachi has clones and so does Kakashi. Itachi can fool a Dragon Sage and EMS user with feints but Kakashi can fool Itachi with feints. In other words, this argument doesn't really work, since Kakashi can do all this as well but has some hard time against Obito right now. Thinking that Itachi's case would be different is pure speculation.
    Guess whose clones explode, which can make Obito absorb explosive damage like Konan did?
    Again, Kakashi can do even better in this situation, since he has a raiton bunshin, which paralyzes the opponent on contact. And somehow he still cannot compete with Obito.
    Heck, he has exploding clones and one of the fastest ninjutsu and one the fastest jutsu molding speeds.
    Sorry for bringing Kakashi all the time, but he's on similar level to Itachi and is currently fighting Obito, so he's a perfect example. Kakashi has raiton bunshins and a much wider spectrum of techniques.
    Itachi's a walking counter to Obito's Kamui.
    According to what's going on, it's Kakashi who's a perfect counter to Obito.
    The author wouldn't even have to create new jutsu out of nowehere for Itachi to look great...
    5. Tobi's only other primary jutsu was Izanagi



    Who was that ninja with the jutsu specifically designed to trounce Izanagi?
    I agree with this, Izanagi would be useless against Itachi.

    Conclusion

    So, why didn't the terminally ill teenager with deteriorating eyesight that was waltzing around the enemy base as a known double-agent for nearly a decade, who was actively keeping the Big Bad from attacking Konoha again, kill the Big Bad? Because the Big Bad was hiding in the shadows. He was hiding from Itachi so effectively that even the readers didn't know he existed until the 300 chapters in.]
    That's kind of a repetition.
    I gave my points, now I'll also conclude and give the arguments as to why Itachi maybe could have NOT killed Obito.
    1) As I said, Itachi would be dead if Obito wanted it much. Proof: He was ordering Nagato around, he could order him to get rid of Itachi.
    2) Obito was wise enough not to reveal everything to Itachi. That's why Itachi was fooled into believing he was Madara and therefore was afraid to face him in battle. Proof: Itachi resorted to post-death assasination trap instead of fighting him.
    3) Even if they fought face to face, it's not like Itachi would win for sure, even with knowledge. Both would stand a chance.


    Quote Originally Posted by ixc View Post
    We've never seen Itachi at full power and yet owned all of his opponents. Not to mention that he never intended to kill them. And yes a great counter for Kamui is 1 of Itachi's Kage Bunshin's that can explode while being absorbed by Obito. People only give credits to Obito and Kakashi since Kamui has been seen more in the Manga. It's just another technique that has a weakness like Itachi mentioned. With that in the back of his mind he can take on anyone. And Itachi is way too smart for Obito.
    . He was ABOVE his full power, as he was immortal and had infinite chakra, yet he still would have been smashed hard by Nagato if it wasn't for Naruto and Bee.
     
         
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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Itachi was obito's pawn....he needed powerful akatsuki members to complete his plan
    When kabuto fought the uchiha bros., he stated that he needed itachi to be his gineu pig
    in edo form. he has the most potiential in akatsuki and tobi could not
    let him go to waste until his plans meets the criteria.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Everyone who understands the manga, knows Obito feared Itachi. The only people that dont want to accept this are Minato fans or w/e because they dont want more hype going for Itachi.
     
         
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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    I won't disagree in case you end up cutting yourself or doing w/e hardcore Itachi devotees do nowadays.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinimaster View Post
    Everyone who understands the manga, knows Obito feared Itachi. The only people that dont want to accept this are Minato fans or w/e because they dont want more hype going for Itachi.
    I wonder why do people even compare Itachi to Minato.
    They're two entirely different characters and frankly, Itachi's got nothing on Minato.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Takos View Post
    I wonder why do people even compare Itachi to Minato.
    They're two entirely different characters and frankly, Itachi's got nothing on Minato.
    Thats funny because ive been wondering the same thing the other way around for a long time. To me Itachi is better than Minato in almost everything.
     
         
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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by ixc View Post
    We've never seen Itachi at full power and yet owned all of his opponents. Not to mention that he never intended to kill them. And yes a great counter for Kamui is 1 of Itachi's Kage Bunshin's that can explode while being absorbed by Obito. People only give credits to Obito and Kakashi since Kamui has been seen more in the Manga. It's just another technique that has a weakness like Itachi mentioned. With that in the back of his mind he can take on anyone. And Itachi is way too smart for Obito.
    I'm pretty sure we have since he had infinite chakra and immortality as an edo tensei. Besides we've seen pretty much all of Itachi's jutsus: Izanami, Susanoo, Amaterasu, etc. So yeah, we know what he's capable of, but Obito still has a lot up his sleeve.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by ixc View Post
    We've never seen Itachi at full power and yet owned all of his opponents. Not to mention that he never intended to kill them. And yes a great counter for Kamui is 1 of Itachi's Kage Bunshin's that can explode while being absorbed by Obito. People only give credits to Obito and Kakashi since Kamui has been seen more in the Manga. It's just another technique that has a weakness like Itachi mentioned. With that in the back of his mind he can take on anyone. And Itachi is way too smart for Obito.
    Itachi never knew anything about the other dimension, he never knew much about his abilities at all i recon. Just because you know doesn't mean that itachi would have known, heck he never even knew who tobi was, he still though it was Madara.

    Itachi had no counter against Obito. Sure he could trick him also you can't base an entire fight against him hitting obito with a blown up clone.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    I'm pretty sure we have since he had infinite chakra and immortality as an edo tensei. Besides we've seen pretty much all of Itachi's jutsus: Izanami, Susanoo, Amaterasu, etc. So yeah, we know what he's capable of, but Obito still has a lot up his sleeve.
    You're so wrong.. Every time we see itachi he brings up something new... from the crow summoning, to the new water jutsu he had... but the one thing that makes me positive we haven't seen his full arsenal,

    Simply this scan, Kakashi's comment about itachi not showinig his full power.. note at this time kakashi wasn't aware of itachi's other abiltiies like Tsukyomi, amaterasu and susanno... Which means he was referring to the LAST time he saw itachi, aka age 10-13, while he was in anbu

    Itachi has shown many different genjutsu, and has shown he's skilled in fuinjutsu as well.. even creating his own abilities... if you think that a few fire jutsu and 2 water jutsu was all he had at that time, no
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    I'm pretty sure we have since he had infinite chakra and immortality as an edo tensei. Besides we've seen pretty much all of Itachi's jutsus: Izanami, Susanoo, Amaterasu, etc. So yeah, we know what he's capable of, but Obito still has a lot up his sleeve.
    Quote Originally Posted by Takos View Post
    . He was ABOVE his full power, as he was immortal and had infinite chakra, yet he still would have been smashed hard by Nagato if it wasn't for Naruto and Bee.
    Are you guys stupid? I'm talking about an Itachi that is alive. Everyone is overpowered when they're in Edo form, Itachi however was godlike but still we haven't seen him at full power when he was alive.

    Yes we've seen him using Izanami, Sasuno'o, Amaturasu and Tsukuyomi but he never fought at full power because he never intended to kill anyone thus he was holding back. Just because he has shown his most powerfull techniques doesn't say he went full out against his opponents. He has only showed his arsenal of techniques because Kishi wanted to show us what Itachi is capable of.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFlash1 View Post
    Itachi never knew anything about the other dimension, he never knew much about his abilities at all i recon. Just because you know doesn't mean that itachi would have known, heck he never even knew who tobi was, he still though it was Madara.

    Itachi had no counter against Obito. Sure he could trick him also you can't base an entire fight against him hitting obito with a blown up clone.
    Itachi wouldn't let himself get killed so easily, i bet with you that when Obito would have used Kamui once to avoid an attack of Itachi, Itachi would have found a way to counter it in less than 5 seconds. Or atleast found a way to pro-long the match just long enough to find a way to counter. But Obito clearly was afraid of Itachi, he clearly stated that if he didn't keep a few secrets from Itachi he would have been dead with other words LIKE I SAID IF Obito had to use Kamui in a fight against Itachi, Itachi would know about his ''secret'' and find a way to counter it. Besides after the latest chapter i must say that Obito is far overrated. Like i said people have seen Kamui a few times now and think it's the best technique and that there's no way to counter is just like Minato's Flying Thunder God, well ''Every jutsu has a weakness'' - Uchiha Itachi.
     
         

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    Re: Itachi could have killed Obito...

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    Are you guys stupid? I'm talking about an Itachi that is alive. Everyone is overpowered when they're in Edo form, Itachi however was godlike but still we haven't seen him at full power when he was alive.

    Yes we've seen him using Izanami, Sasuno'o, Amaturasu and Tsukuyomi but he never fought at full power because he never intended to kill anyone thus he was holding back. Just because he has shown his most powerfull techniques doesn't say he went full out against his opponents. He has only showed his arsenal of techniques because Kishi wanted to show us what Itachi is capable of.
    are you stupid? As an edo he had infinite stamina and chakra. When he was alive, he could barely pull of 3 of those moves and would get backlash from them. So absolutely not.
     
         

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    are you stupid? As an edo he had infinite stamina and chakra. When he was alive, he could barely pull of 3 of those moves and would get backlash from them. So absolutely not.
    Dude he had infinite stamina WHO GIVES A ****? That still doesn't mean that he has shown his full power. He got a blacklash because he was ill and the MS had a huge impact on him because he was almost blind. Besides Itachi is way too smart to let a fight last long enough to drain his chakra levels to 0, as we've seen in his matches he ended them in no time. The only 2 matches that lasted longer was against Sasuke because he had to wait for Orochimaru to show up and against Kabuto because he knew he had nothing to lose because of the infinite chakra.
     
         

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