So is it confirmed? Hirudora can break Madara's Susanoo? (Incomplete version).

[BlackBison]

First we need to understand that not a lot of time has passed between madara getting hit by hirudora and the juubi finally being revived. This can be seen in the picture of madara because he still has smoke and dust flying behind him, away from the juubi so it's not the juubi that caused the smoke around madara. Next, we need to understand that gai got a surprise attack on madara while he was looking away. Hirudora most likely barely did any damage but the pure force of the attack was enough to looden his grip with the move. Hirudora is a formidable attack so its understandable that his grip would loosen, since he was sent flying.

Still madara was a straight up boss in the one and only panel he had.

[Sexy Steel]

an incomplete version meaning a susano with skin and skelenton yes it would cause damage and possible break susano but it won't do enough to cause considerable damage (like bleeding and so on)
after all if tsunade's kick was enough to cause that much damage a kinjutsu like that of the morning tiger should also be able to

none the less this doesn't mean it can destroy a complete susano like PS or that of itachi and sasuke's current susano.

nice thread i agree

[Memoria]

Yes it clearly damaged him, you can see the scratches on his face/armor. And the fact that he didn't show in the whole chapter in combination with the mokuton's grip loosening only adds to this valid assumption.

[Slug Princess]

First of all don't bring your foolish comments here, this isn't a vs thread so don't make it one.

Second of all, look at that black hole in his chest, he was regenerating.

hahahahah, that's his hand, hahahahah

[KidGamer65]

hahahahah, that's his hand, hahahahah

, read the other posts, this has been clarified.

[MilwaukeegHost]

He mayve broke it but its the incomplete version. Bone susanoo is the weakest. Or he tried to absorb it. But Idont think it hurt him at all actually

Nothing can "hurt" him, he's edo. He is laying on his @$$ though so the technique obviously overpowered him. And he had to deactivate Sussano'o. That means that move was no F'ing Joke.


Tsunade was able to break that Sussano'o by just punching it. If you think Tsunade's single punch is greater than Hirudora, you're crazy. Of course Hirudora can break Madara (incomplete) Sussanoo

[Piratefish]

Hirudora doesn't actually cause external wounds, and the fact that Madara was absent from the battle this whole chapter and that Susano'o is gone is pretty compelling evidence.

[tracytracy22]

Yeh I think your right. And we have to remember that was only a mini version. He was using it without the gates. Imagine what damage it could have done had he had the gates open and used the proper version.

[Sasuke1025]

Yeh I think your right. And we have to remember that was only a mini version. He was using it without the gates. Imagine what damage it could have done had he had the gates open and used the proper version.

He can't do tht if he's not in gates -.- he was in 7 gate when he did it

OT: we all have 2 remember tht the time when GAI did hirudora 2 madara n in the end of todays chapter was probably under a min. U can c the smoke still rising from hirudoras explosion. If he was damage he would've still b healing because he wouldn't heal tht fast so no I doubt tht hirudora broke through madara susanoo

[Q of the Sharingan]

The timeline for this chapter was not long. Only a few blows were traded. People are making it seem like a half hour passed during this chapter. Madara was shown in a relaxed pose, which he would not have been in if he was reforming. Remember that when people reform, they are incapacitated. I believe that Hirodora pushed Madara back enough that his control of the mokuton weakened. Also there is a shockwave/explosion when the attack hits. I do not think that it actually caused Madara any damage, probably just damaging his Susanoo. Kishi would have shown Madara reforming if the attack did damage to him like he has when every other edo was hit with a big attack and it damaged them. We saw no such damage so the OP's speculations do not hold much strength.

[ItachisCrow]

whats ur question ask me...I am waiting...

5 posts in a row?
Learn to edit, "brother".

[tracytracy22]

He can't do tht if he's not in gates -.- he was in 7 gate when he did it

OT: we all have 2 remember tht the time when GAI did hirudora 2 madara n in the end of todays chapter was probably under a min. U can c the smoke still rising from hirudoras explosion. If he was damage he would've still b healing because he wouldn't heal tht fast so no I doubt tht hirudora broke through madara susanoo

But when he attacked madara, it didnt look like he had the gates open. He probably can perform it with the gates closed but on a much smaller scale and with greater chakra drain.

[killer b the shit]

Gai beasted him so what? Gai is a beast, a green beast, and Madara is dope too. Dope chapter.

[tazze019]

Hirudura owned incomplete susano. If you look at the picture carefully using your head you will realize that Madara got knock down by Hirudura. Look at the rocks were Madara sitting, it was caused by the impact of his fall.

Edit: Actually, We never seen Hirudura's full potential. When we first time we saw Gai's using Hirudara, it was used underwater that might have weaken the blow. Second, Gai was wrapped in mokuton and he can even move his hand properly

[LogicalReason x]

Kyuubi broke through Mokuton why can't Hachibi?

[Scryed]

I'm sure that by now you've realized that that "hole" is his hand.

As for Madara just "chillin", the only reason I agree to this would be because his Mokuton weakened to the extent in which the Hachibi broke out of its restrains. I wouldn't think he loosened the grip on purpose if he said that he was going to get serious in this battle. Though him having said that would also mean that he wouldn't just sit around "chillin".

[akshayhp]

has anyone noticed that madara is sitting against a crater most likely caused by him slamming into the wall/rock?

[Theserpent]

Everyone is just grasping at straws. NOTHING in that picture shows ANY amount of damage. Those "scratches" that are supposedly signs of damage is part of how Madara was drawn. He wasn't damaged in the slightest. He sat out because he knew how utterly worthless the kakashi-obito fight was and didn't lower himself by butting in.

[Theserpent]

Kyuubi broke through Mokuton why can't Hachibi?

Because the hachibi didn't do anything, gai did the attack.

[Gouryuuka]

The Hirudora probably was able to break the Susanoo from sheer force. Madara was probably recuperating from a minor throwdown from the concussive force of the blast. The Susanoo probably took most of the damage before subsiding.

[Walking Zodiac]

Heres my prediction summary: Naruto gives chakra to Gai and runs out of bijuu mode( I know worse possible scenario, but thats what I like) and summons ma, pa and they merge with him. Simultaneously Obito warps kakashi again into his realm(obito rushes in as well), and they duke it out; kakashi decides its best if he handles Obito on his own. The juubi roars and sends a shock wave that knocks gai, naruto and bee back. Madara is sitting above the juubi's eye, out of its eye shoots a tailed beast beam at them; Gai goes death gate and with the palm of his hand slices the beam in half sending it shooting into the sky. Bee takes Gai( gai also takes off his weights) in his hand and launches him at madara and the juubi. At the same time naruto does kage bunshin and summons 2-3,000 clones; The ground starts cracking as the chakra levels are very strong. Gai takes a hit by shinra tensei but bursts through it. At the same time naruto's clones which have turned into rocks appear at the juubi's feet(remember they are all sagemode clones) they grab the juubi's feet but are only destroyed by its power. Gai is about punch madara when madara blocks with his fan, the fan shatters; madara breaks out a susanoo sword and pierces gai in the chest; Gai breaks out hiruodora one last time. blowing madara to pieces and taking off two of the juubi's tails. Gai falls to the ground simply dead. Chapter 611: Naruto gets angry and breaks out BM/SM. Madara revives claims he needs to capture a bijuu it doesn't matter which one. The juubi is about to slam its hand on naruto, bee goes normal cloak with tsamehada and slices off some chakra; it becomes way bigger than normal. He throws it at madara, madara simply takes and smashes it with susanoo. The juubi is about to smash them again with a tail when the kages show up( mei does a lava jutsu immobilizing the juubi for a short period). Naruto asks where Tsunade is, the kages don't tell him, instead they say "We'll tell you later, now we must defeat madara". Next time: The Will of Fire.

[Carlhens]

Madara taking a break like he was fighting on high level

[Theserpent]

Heres my prediction summary: Naruto gives chakra to Gai and runs out of bijuu mode( I know worse possible scenario, but thats what I like) and summons ma, pa and they merge with him. Simultaneously Obito warps kakashi again into his realm(obito rushes in as well), and they duke it out; kakashi decides its best if he handles Obito on his own. The juubi roars and sends a shock wave that knocks gai, naruto and bee back. Madara is sitting above the juubi's eye, out of its eye shoots a tailed beast beam at them; Gai goes death gate and with the palm of his hand slices the beam in half sending it shooting into the sky. Bee takes Gai( gai also takes off his weights) in his hand and launches him at madara and the juubi. At the same time naruto does kage bunshin and summons 2-3,000 clones; The ground starts cracking as the chakra levels are very strong. Gai takes a hit by shinra tensei but bursts through it. At the same time naruto's clones which have turned into rocks appear at the juubi's feet(remember they are all sagemode clones) they grab the juubi's feet but are only destroyed by its power. Gai is about punch madara when madara blocks with his fan, the fan shatters; madara breaks out a susanoo sword and pierces gai in the chest; Gai breaks out hiruodora one last time. blowing madara to pieces and taking off two of the juubi's tails. Gai falls to the ground simply dead. Chapter 611: Naruto gets angry and breaks out BM/SM. Madara revives claims he needs to capture a bijuu it doesn't matter which one. The juubi is about to slam its hand on naruto, bee goes normal cloak with tsamehada and slices off some chakra; it becomes way bigger than normal. He throws it at madara, madara simply takes and smashes it with susanoo. The juubi is about to smash them again with a tail when the kages show up( mei does a lava jutsu immobilizing the juubi for a short period). Naruto asks where Tsunade is, the kages don't tell him, instead they say "We'll tell you later, now we must defeat madara". Next time: The Will of Fire.

No. Just... no.

[Vexorian]

I'm more inclined to believe that Hirudora can break a stage 2 Susano'o and above. Shit, Sasuke's stg 2 Susano'o got sliced open by Danzo's mid-level wind technique(albeit enhanced by the summon.) I'm definitely supporting that the Susano'o was broken, and Madara would have taken substantial damage if he'd been alive. Hirudora is no joke.

Furthermore, this is just my opinion which may actually be plausible, but if Madara has an unlimited chakra pool, then can he not simply enhance his Susanoo's defense far above the level it would be if he were living? I mean, they're fighting a downhill battle against a person who cannot die, and cannot tire. That's just a thought. So yes, Hirudora breaks a Stage 2 Susano'o.

[spatha]

agree, with the exception that he can feesibly beat even EMS users with 7th gate. We have seen ameterasu latch onto chakra shells and burn through them, but it is unknown, and seems unlikely that it could latch onto a powerful gust of wind like gai would be able to produce punching the air toward ameterasu. If i recall correctly, gai also once either used or suggested with plenty of confidence that he could contend with most any uchiha by looking at his feet the whole time during a fight, so assuming that wasn't just him being cocky, he can thus negate any controlling genjutsu. Anything shy of madaras perfect susoono could very likely be shattered by 7th gate gai because it is arguable that while in 7th gate he is, if not stronger than raikage, most certainly stronger than tsunade (only during that short time frame) and we have seen her crack through an imperfect susoono. Honestly the only people in general i see him losing to handily is an ET summon simply because with overall infinite chakra, and perpetual regeneration, gai has no way to truly defeat an ET since i dont recall ever seeing him use a sealing tech (correct me if im mistaken?). Now for personal fights as opposed to general. Sasuke would not hold a flame to gai in taijutsu, nor would his general ninjutsu techs have any effect, so i see him getting frustrated and start spamming ameterasu which wouldn't blind him now but would still wear him out using it, leaving him dead on his feet unless he covered the entire battle field with it. Itachi, while i feel more cunning, wouldn't fare much better. In his human form, he was sickly so that puts him at a big disadvantage, but for fairness lets assume he was healthy. Even when healthy itachi was never known for large chakra reserves so he would have to use his techs sparingly, and assuming gai could fight without looking above his feet, it would also render itachi's sharingan more or less useless since he only attained MS while alive meaning a few ameterasu and he loses his eye for the battle, and a much smaller window to use susoono, also noting that gai should be able to dodge the sword, and the yata mirror should have little effect since gai uses mainly taijutsu (no chakra of any kind to counter). Itachi was also not known for having much stamina even when healthy, so his only hope would be a quick finish with taijutsu but in my opinion, gai is one of the few who could outperform itachi in taijutsu technique, fully becoming the ultimate bad matchup for living healthy itachi.