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    Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    I honestly think Kishi is not going to give Hiruzen amazing feats to live up to his hype,
    and I also believe we are never going to see ''PRIME'' Hiruzen in action either.
    so where do you rank hiruzen

    heres some examples

    - above Danzo

    - above Onoki

    -above Jiraiya

    -above Orochimaru

    -above Tsunade

    -above Hanzo

    -above Mei

    Who you think he can beat with his feats so far [doesn't have to be from this list]
    ps don't say ''if he was in his prime'' crap it won't help your argument
     
         
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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    With his feats he can't beat anyone on that list.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Hiruzen is weak and is still using Shurikens...
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    above mei and hanzo below the rest.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Everyone beats him from that list.
     
         

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    strongest kage of his era ....
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    I find it funny that after seeing how Tobirama's ultimate edo tensei continuous explosive paper bomb technique failed, Hiruzen still used shuriken as if they could do something more. I thought someone uses his most powerful moves in these conditions? Or does it mean it's Hiruzen's most powerful move? It seems that Kishi won't give him more fire power which is pretty sad considering he was apparently called a god of shinobi
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Quote Originally Posted by T Bogard View Post
    I find it funny that after seeing how Tobirama's ultimate edo tensei continuous explosive paper bomb technique failed, Hiruzen still used shuriken as if they could do something more. I thought someone uses his most powerful moves in these conditions? Or does it mean it's Hiruzen's most powerful move? It seems that Kishi won't give him more fire power which is pretty sad considering he was apparently called a god of shinobi
    Did you read the part where it was stated they were merely testing juubito's abilities.

    Hiruzen did in 10 seconds what none of us or the other kages for that matter could do in 2 chapters. And that is live up to his professor status and completely analyze obito's complex jutsu, while engaged in battle.

    The shurikens where that best choice, if you think about it becuase they have no nature, so he could clearly see what property obito's attacks had without his attack nature conflicting with obito's. The man is brilliant and credit should be givin.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Quote Originally Posted by T Bogard View Post
    I find it funny that after seeing how Tobirama's ultimate edo tensei continuous explosive paper bomb technique failed, Hiruzen still used shuriken as if they could do something more. I thought someone uses his most powerful moves in these conditions? Or does it mean it's Hiruzen's most powerful move? It seems that Kishi won't give him more fire power which is pretty sad considering he was apparently called a god of shinobi
    this man speaks the truth :scorps:
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeBa View Post
    strongest kage of his era ....
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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    With his feats he can't beat anyone on that list.
    the list was an example
    i meant who can he beat at ''all'' with his feats
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Until we see more, why even disrespect him this way.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    Until we see more, why even disrespect him this way.
    But I'm not i love the character but his feats lack luster.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Quote Originally Posted by SonTj View Post
    But I'm not i love the character but his feats lack luster.
    Actually Mick is right.

    Hiruzen displayed incredible intelligence.

    He used a barrage of shuriken since:

    1. The explosions block field of vision and as such the Hokages gained no intel from them.

    2. Shurikens can't be countered by Preta Path.

    3. They do not block sight so they saw what Obito did to counter them.

    Respect for the Old Man, he lives up to his '' Professor '' status.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    Actually Mick is right.

    Hiruzen displayed incredible intelligence.

    He used a barrage of shuriken since:

    1. The explosions block field of vision and as such the Hokages gained no intel from them.

    2. Shurikens can't be countered by Preta Path.

    3. They do not block sight so they saw what Obito did to counter them.

    Respect for the Old Man, he lives up to his '' Professor '' status.
    Or simply because the shurikens were stronger than his C rank Katons or Dotons.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEvilOne View Post
    Or simply because the shurikens were stronger than his C rank Katons or Dotons.
    If he wanted to dish damage he would have used bunshins and Enma.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    If he wanted to dish damage he would have used bunshins and Enma.
    you know whats weird hiruzen is known for his kage bunshins jutsus but we get kage bunshins shurikens but not 1 clone yet, then tobirama is known for his mastery of suiton but we get hiraishin and kage bunshin instead, we can't even get suiton bunshins what you doing kishi?
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    If he wanted to dish damage he would have used bunshins and Enma.
    He obviously didn't wanted to sacrifice Enma.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEvilOne View Post
    He obviously didn't wanted to sacrifice Enma.
    That may be true. But he's a Hokage, come on. Obviously he has jutsus better than a rank C katon.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Databook 2 states that Shuriken Kage Bunshin can create thousands of shuriken. Must have been a retcon.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Quote Originally Posted by T Bogard View Post
    I find it funny that after seeing how Tobirama's ultimate edo tensei continuous explosive paper bomb technique failed, Hiruzen still used shuriken as if they could do something more. I thought someone uses his most powerful moves in these conditions? Or does it mean it's Hiruzen's most powerful move? It seems that Kishi won't give him more fire power which is pretty sad considering he was apparently called a god of shinobi
    They are testing Juubito's abilities and powers to understand what he has in his arsenal intead of attacking blindly; and then they would probably pick more effective techs from their arsenal and make their strategy for it. It is like the first chapter of them displaying something; it would be more interesting if their abilities show extensions and progressions within chapters.

    OT: I don't think he would defeat any of those people in that list; but the way he fought and observed this chapter proved that he is indeed a "professor" of a ninja.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    Quote Originally Posted by Syndicate View Post
    Databook 2 states that Shuriken Kage Bunshin can create thousands of shuriken. Must have been a retcon.
    It probally isnt retcon.

    He probally just didnt feel as though 1000 would be necesarry.
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    As of now, no one. But as time goes on and he regenerates. . He'll probably be the one to exploit or inform the others of all weaknesses that appear on Juubito!
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    You said no hype, that's just not fair to him. What feats does he have besides 3 chapters with laughable chakra reserves against two (albeit weakened) Hokage?
     
         

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    Re: Rank Hiruzen (no hype)

    I see Hiruzen's (and all Kages) strength this way: the person was made Kage because at that time, they were generally considered to be the strongest ninja in the village. When Tobirama died, Hiruzen was strongest in Konoha. When Minato became Hokage, it was because everyone agreed that Minato was then more powerful than Hiruzen. When Minato died, everyone looked around and decided that Hiruzen was strongest again.
    What we've seen of prime Hiruzen is his statue face in the cliff.
     
         

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