Re: EMS Madara and Hashirama VS Allied Shinobi Force
There is a big difference between the two scenarios.
Originally Posted by Piratefish
Naruto was stationary at the beginning and wasn't using any jutsu, then he rushed at the wood and hit with his attack.
If Naruto is running at Hashirama first like you say, Hashirama uses this and then Naruto either gets hit or jumps back to avoid it, and breaks it later, Mini Bijuu Dama isn't getting through that so colliding with it is not an option.
Hashirama has Mokuton clones so he can block Naruto from all 3 angles.
With Naruto's speed, if he is mid attack (at three angles!) and Hashirama uses Jukai Kotan it seems more than possible ONE of them will at least have time and opportunity to make a partial hit. Which could very well be match-ending. He DEFLECTED 5 Bijuudama. His reaction-time is EXCELLENT.
Mini Bijuu Dama is nowhere near a mountain buster, the damage it caused wasn't even that impressive, even 3 of those won't break Susanoo.
No evidence supports that statement. Even an unstabilized Perfect Susano'o is likely more powerful defensively than a Complete Susano'o, but a Complete Susano'o HAS been damaged by singe Tsunade-strength punches:
Mini-Bijuudama are superior in destructive force to those, and there ARE three of them.
And Madara still block A's punch, he can very well summon Susanoo with a thought before Naruto gets him, if he can block A.
t's not as durable, true. It was still obliterated. By a single Mini-Bijuudama. Madara's facing three. Hashirama could very well be hit: Here's Madara being pretty much blitzed by the Raikage:
There WERE no Shinobi of that speed-level during the lives of the Founders, which is why Madara was surprised. And Naruto is faster than the Yondaime Raikage, there's three of him, and he has Bijuudamae. (I've decided that's the correct spelling for the plural form of the word.)
Exactly, Bijuu Dama are mountain busters not Mini Bijuu Dama, and Chou Oodama Rasengan hollows out a mountain, different from a mountain buster. Unless you have some feats for Mini Bijuu Dama that show it is far stronger than Chou Oodama Rasengan, there is no reason to believe it can even harm Susanoo, when ribcage tanked a Chou Oodama Rasengan
That's a non-senjutsu enhanced Oodama Rasengan. Vastly inferior to even a Senpo: Oodama Rasengan, not even mentioning a Mini-Bijuudama. Bijuudama are mountain-busters, and the Oodama Rasengan hasn't SHOWN any feats of that scale. I've already countered the repeated and pretty much evidence-less insistence that Hashirama won't be hit enough times, I think...
There is no evidence to believe it is stronger when all we saw Mini Bijuu Dama was break some rocks and cause a mediocre sized explosion.
No. It's FAR more concentrated for one, and the damage shown by the Mini-Bijuudama is actually HIGHER than anything shown by Oodama Rasengan. Especially non-senjutsu based Oodama's. If you can reasonably prove otherwise, I WILL change my opinion. But there's no evidence for this.
Even if it is stronger than Chou Oodama Rasengan, after factoring in the difference of power between Ribcage and PS, you can safely assume that Mini Bijuu Dama isn't going to cut it, the only thing Naruto has that can break PS is the full sized Bijuu Dama.
Naruto's BM Clones, mid attack aren't dodging this: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/589/2
Perfect Susano'o is not in any way proven faster than BM clones. Wood Dragon is an effective counter to BM Naruto in most ways, but he can form clones even while locked in battle with it. Rinse and repeat is a valid option, if it proves necessary.
and even if they do the shockwave will destroy them.