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    Madara and the Moon's Eye

    This might be farfetched and/or a too long read but bare with me

    Tsukuyomi is the god of the moon in Shinto and Japanese mythology.

    Izanagi which was summoned by the first gods ended up creating
    Amaterasu (incarnation of the sun) from Izanagi's left eye,
    Tsukuyomi (incarnation of the moon) from his right eye, and
    Susanoo (incarnation of storms and ruler of the sea) from his nose.

    Izanagi went on to divide the world between them with Tsukuyomi taking control of the night and moon.

    Sasuke used his left eye when he used his Amaterasu ability, opposed to Itachi who used his right for some reason. In this case it looks like Sasuke is the one in line with Shinto. Sasuke used his right eye to supress Amaterasu. (Which makes sense because the reason why night and day never is together is in Shinto, because Amaterasu who represents the sun was furious with Tsukuyomi who represents the night. That is why the right 'eye of the moon' would supress the Amaterasu's fire created by the left 'eye of the sungodess' and vice versa)

    With that said lets move on to tobi/madara. In Naruto 386 page 11 | One Manga Itachi says "Today Madara is a pathetic shell of his former self. He is no longer worth being considered the greatest Uchiha."

    This leads me to believe that Madara has lost some of his power, a huge key to understanding just what it is he has lost is that he(tobi) ever only shows his right eye. He is evitently covering up a secret about himself. I think he is covering up the fact that he has lost the power of is left eye, perhaps not completely who knows. Since why else would he purposely hide 50% of his EMS? Knowing this I can think of 2 plausible alternatives

    1, Either the "Moon's Eye plan" is to cause whatever havoc he can with his right eye (the right eye of the moon) possibly something that could lead to a 4th ninjawar. Possibly some kind of genjutsu on the Kages, as his eye is the one that deals with genjutsu. Something that stengthen this theory is that in Naruto 453 page 18 | One Manga he says "I've had enough of being cautious" which suggests his plans are to take action in some form (what that is will be pretty impossible to determine until we get more clues) Another reason why it's his 'eye of the moon' that is still active is that he was able to put out the trap-amaterasu that Itachi planted on Sasuke. The less convincing alternative is that

    2, He, much like Itachi, has reversed eye-order. His right eye is the Amaterasu eye meaning it's his 'eye of the moon' that has lost it's power. Therefor he means to restore it making him essentially immortal again. He could be restoring it by taking Sasuke's eye, afterall he knows Sasuke is planning to attack the Kages which means he would without a doubt have to use his MS.

    What do you think of these 2 ideas? can you think of other plausable ideas too? Feel free to discuss

    I've been thinking how Madara tends to operate when it's full moon. Helping Itachi with the Uchiha slaugher, the 9 tails attack on Konoha as examples.. I'm yet to figure out a connection with the full moon though.
     
         
    Last edited by hwahl; 08-11-2009 at 11:48 PM. Reason: updated the amaterasu vs tsukuyomi part

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    It's not long and nice story!
    Personally, I think the "Moon's Eye Plan" is some revival technique to bring someone back (I think Itachi, because Tobi needs him for some reason).

    Anyway, this is just a prediction ^^
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by hwahl View Post
    Nagato used this sealing technique to keep something as powerful as the 6'th tailed version of the Kyuubi. Some implies the Sage of the Six Paths could possibly have sealed something into the moon itself, something extremely powerful and that Madara intends to release this seal somehow. I can't grasp why the plans would be called Moon's Eye Plan in that case..
    Hmmm.. Time will tell.
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    managed to delete that post it was a bit offtopic anyhow
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    do you think he is trying to revive his brother and give him sasuke's eyes so they both have EMS???
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by kazeshini View Post
    do you think he is trying to revive his brother and give him sasuke's eyes so they both have EMS???
    I don't think his brother is extremely powerful.
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by Enrix View Post
    I don't think his brother is extremely powerful.
    maybe he is..
    but i think he might revive all Akatsuki member who had fallen.
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by Realtwisted View Post
    maybe he is..
    but i think he might revive all Akatsuki member who had fallen.
    It has something to be that existed when the Sage of the Six Paths was still alive, so it can't be the Akatsuki, because Akatsuki wasn't even created back then. And neither the brother of Madara.
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    If it's a revival technique it will not be reviving all the dead Akatsuki that I'm sure of. Or well, it can be, but in that case his plans will fail because I can't see how to fit them into the story again. They had all magnificent battles when they died, they had 'worthy' deaths. If they are revived that means they will once again have to be beaten, which is not something Kishimoto will waste his time with, as it's not gonna contribute to the story
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    It isn't the Akatsuki >.<
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by hwahl View Post
    If it's a revival technique it will not be reviving all the dead Akatsuki that I'm sure of. Or well, it can be, but in that case his plans will fail because I can't see how to fit them into the story again. They had all magnificent battles when they died, they had 'worthy' deaths. If they are revived that means they will once again have to be beaten, which is not something Kishimoto will waste his time with, as it's not gonna contribute to the story
    Or maybe is to revived his father, who he seal.
    1. He is going to Revive A Sharingan user, you need 3 sharingan user to open the seal.

    But i just wonder why he going do the Moon pla in the Kage summit?
    maybe he need to sacrifice stronger ninja,^^
     
         
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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    When I read the part with controlling the kages, it made me wonder, I've been against all those tobi=danzou threads, and understands that he cant be at 2 places at once, and there are many arguements against it, but Danzou did control the current mizukage at the meeting, why not the whole bunch? maybe thats the moons eye plan, just a thought.
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by Realtwisted View Post
    Or maybe is to revived his father, who he seal.
    1. He is going to Revive A Sharingan user, you need 3 sharingan user to open the seal.
    I'm sorry I don't understand. Madara's father? and what seal?
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by squiremarcus View Post
    I'm sorry I don't understand. Madara's father? and what seal?
    lol, you haven't heard about the Story...
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    I'm trying to think of reasons myself why you think it's a revival technique, do you have any reason to believe it's a revival tech and something to back that up with, or is it an intuition?
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by Realtwisted View Post
    lol, you haven't heard about the Story...
    yea I looked it up online. that's just some theory someone made and yet you lol at me?

    anyway, pertaining to the moon's eye plan, I think that sounds cool but only time will tell
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by hwahl View Post
    I'm trying to think of reasons myself why you think it's a revival technique, do you have any reason to believe it's a revival tech and something to back that up with, or is it an intuition?
    i think he going sacrifice a lot people to this eye moon plan.
    Omg my God, i can't wait to next week!!
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by Namikaze Naruto View Post
    When I read the part with controlling the kages, it made me wonder, I've been against all those tobi=danzou threads, and understands that he cant be at 2 places at once, and there are many arguements against it, but Danzou did control the current mizukage at the meeting, why not the whole bunch? maybe thats the moons eye plan, just a thought.
    well it's probably theoretically possible that madara is able to materialize his chakra (much like the tailed beasts are materialized chakra) and with that, able to be at multiple positions. (like how naruto's punches went straight through tobi, and how he wasn't damaged by deidara's selfdestruction, teleportation or not) BUT I strongly believe that Danzo is nothing but someone who found power through sharingan and got water over his head. He acts like he is concerned with his own agenda and there's really nothing solid that tying him and madara up.. it's not that I mean to bash your idea I just can't see Danzo as a bigger part of something
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by hwahl View Post
    well it's probably theoretically possible that madara is able to materialize his chakra (much like the tailed beasts are materialized chakra) and with that, able to be at multiple positions. (like how naruto's punches went straight through tobi, and how he wasn't damaged by deidara's selfdestruction, teleportation or not) BUT I strongly believe that Danzo is nothing but someone who found power through sharingan and got water over his head. He acts like he is concerned with his own agenda and there's really nothing solid that tying him and madara up.. it's not that I mean to bash your idea I just can't see Danzo as a bigger part of something
    omg, i cant wait till the manga tells us all about madara, danzou, tobi shit,..... damn sharingan, uchiha should never have been introduced in the story... damn supernatural stuff.-
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    It's a fantastic theory, hwahl.

    Great basis, and quite likely in my own opinion.
    I remember reading on leafninja, ages ago when people were still guessing about the potential of the Mangekyou Sharingan, it said something about Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi being two thirds of some god(dess) related thing.
    This must be what it spoke of.

    Keep up the good work
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    He wants to get Rikudou Sennin who got sealed in the moon with Chibaku Tensei and wants to use his awesome eyes to rule the world :D
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Also a possibility
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by Kisuke Kakashi View Post
    Also a possibility
    If that crazy theory proves true I will be very satisfied with the manga
     
         

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    Re: Madara and the Moon's Eye

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyria View Post
    He wants to get Rikudou Sennin who got sealed in the moon with Chibaku Tensei and wants to use his awesome eyes to rule the world :D
    I definitely think that it's some variation of what you said. It makes sense given that Madara was annoyed that Nagato used Rinne Tensei for Konoha and not him.

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    Naruto 453 page 18 | One Manga

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    After which he immediately began this plan, correct?
     
         

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