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    Re: Only a SAGE can be Jinchurriki of the Juubi !!!

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    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/446/9

    Look at this page. It specifies that he appeared to teach everyone the divine power of chakra and he didn't get freat power until after he became the Jinchuriki. I am not going to find all the pages for everything.
    No it doesn't say that ridukou senin learned ninjutsu after becoming the jubi. I think he got a huge boost from the Juubi, and it was due to the juubi he got his "creation of all things", but as Jiraya says. The ridukou senin traveled all over the world and taught ninjutsu. I will agree to the extent where there is a lot of hints saying that ridukou senin had rinnengan while he was traveling and teaching ninjutsu, but this is no proof that he was jinchuriki of the jubi yet.[/QUOTE]

    It is said in the Manga that the powers of the Bijuus are not just the power of the Juubi but also that all of the powers were of the Juubi as well. The Juubi was comprised of Pure Natural Energy which can be made into basically everything with the power of Creation of All Things. Who knows really me or you can be right because it has been said int he manga that they are not just split chakra but also the powers are split from the Juubi as well. You can also be right because of the forms that Rikudo Sennin made them to be. So why would he only give Kurama sensing of Negative energy and healing?
    Hmm I think the creation magic is linked to the juubi, so it must be somewhat linked to natural energy as well. I think he gave Kurama his healing and sensing abilities, because Kurama was/is the strongest of the 9. It would only make sense to give the one with most power the tools to learn how to use his powers in the right way.


    I am sorry but you cannot deny that when the Juubi himself has both the Rinnegan and Sharingan eyes mixed. Plus you need both the Sharingan and Senju DNA just to get the Rinnegan which the Juubi obviously have. Unless you are telling me that the Juubi is the summon of Rikudo Sennin. Which in my eyes would not make him the saviour of the world but someone who was trying to clean up his mess. Also if he had such great power before the Juubi woulnd't he have had the power to stop the War way before he defeated the Juubi without needing the Juubi's power??

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/11

    Here is the Manga where you can obviously see the eyes used to use Creation of All Things which just so happen to be the same eyes of the Juubi. Is that coincidence?? I think not.
    Yeah I don't think that it is a coincidence, and I don't think the Juubi was his summon, of course it wasn't. However, I simply tried to question the theory, since there is no actual proof except of the visual proof.

    The reason I don't think the rinnengan came from the Juubi, is because Madara was able to awaken them again. As a matter of fact a Jinchuriki doesn't pass ANY of the beasts abilities on to his child. Then why would the sharingan be passed on to the child of the so6p?

    There is another possibility, and that is that the Juubi was evil. It didn't want to be controlled by the so6p, so it left some of its chakra in his eyes, so it could be passed down through generations, so that whoever would awake these eyes, would be able to revive the juubi again. - But then again it is said that the so6p gave his eye abilities to his son. So which is it? I still see too many flaws about this, to just start making conclusion. I don't say that the eye of the juubi doesn't look like it, but there may be other reasons for the way it looks, and Kishi might just want to cause confusion.


    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/467/14

    Here is that page that you were looking for and a powerful technique to seal anything is called Fuinjutsu. We can get an idea of the technique used on the Juubi from the same sealing technique that Naruto used on Kurama. Kurama himself thought that it was Rikudo Sennin.

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/572/11

    It says right here that they were not led down the right path when they were in him so the Juubi did not just agree to go inside him to create peace especially when he was a blob of hatred and negative energy.

    How would he have Ninjutsu to defeat the Juubi if he created Ninshu which became Ninjutsu after he defeated the Juubi. He defeated the Juubi to protect the world then he went around the world spreading his religion Ninshu, to stop the wars, which became Ninjutsu. I believe that he was a Master Fuinjutsu and Sage Mode, all which used in the most efffective ways can defeat a lot of anything especially when the Juubi is made of Pure Natural Energy. Maybe he manipulated the Juubi's energy somehow by being a Master of Natural Energy somehow. The powers of Nature energy go much farther than just enhancing your physical abilities but also give advanced users the ability to see in the future like how the Great Toad Sage does.
    Well about this I can just refer to what I said earlier, but it is true that with sealing techniques and natural energy you can accomplish a lot. This is also what I said before. Whether he taught nijutsu before or after sealing the juubi will be proven, if Kishi makes it sure that the rinnengan comes from the Juubi itself. You have proven that. We will have to wait and see.

    As far as your question as to why no one including the Sage couldn't be a product alone be the product of both the Uchiha and Senju is that all the attributes of both Clans are definitely inherent of the Juubi eyes and all. You can't believe that Rikudo Sennin who housed basically all the energy of the world inside of himself couldn't gain power of Great Eyes and Great Body to pass it on to his sons without still being great because it isn't all of his power??
    I think what I meant was that even the so6p must have been the product of some warmongering clans. I was simply trying to say that it's also possible that his rinnengan was inherited from his ancestors.
    Madara never said that the sharingan comes from the rinnengan. In fact it is the opposite. The rinnengan is an upgrade to the sharingan, but it can't be obtained by a "pure" uchiha through natural means. That is you need DNA from senju. But why can an Uzumaki still carry the eyes? What if Uzumaki is in fact the product of senju+uchiha? I am not saying this is my belief, but I think it is an interesting perspective, and it can work as another hypothesis or possibility as for where the rinnengan comes from, just to look at more possibilities than the obvious one, which is the Juubi.

    Come to think about it I think that there is some kind of connection to the Senju and Senjutsu Mode that Naruto uses. Why? Because just like all of Naruto's abilities are just enhanced the same happens for a Senju. Maybe the Body that everyone is talking about is a product of the Nature Energy that the Juubi was made of. So it would stand that the younger brother got very powerful Nature Energy infused within himself naturally and the elder brother got the eyes and chakra. Senjutsu energy would definitely make a clan like the Senju naturally stronger than any other clans just like how Senjutsu Energy enhances all of Naruto's Abilities. That would also explain why Hashirama has the ability to use a powerful version of Moukouton(Just like how Kabuto used his ability from Jugo's Clan to move the earth) while also able to heal without hand signs(Just how Kurama heals Naruto by being only Yang Energy-Physical Energy-Body). WOW!!!! It would also explain why when anyone gets Hashirama's cells that their power is automatically boosted 10 fold just like how Sage Mode does to Naruto. IDK I think that it makes sense and is very much connected which would also explain why it is so much easier for Hashirama and anyone with his cells are able to control the chakra of a Bijuu so easily.
    Yes I think this too. And I also have a feeling that Shikkotsu Forest might be, where Madara trained - and probably also Obito then. We know that Obito wants / needs to become the jinchuriki of the Juubi, but can he really control it without natural energy?
     
         

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    Re: Only a SAGE can be Jinchurriki of the Juubi !!!

    You may be right but I feel like madara has already thought of this hell he's thought of every thing else, how to get the first DNA and trick everyone to thinking he was dead to operate in noticed, how he would come back after his death (althought that one went slightly different than he had hoped but it ended up working out for the better anyway lol), oh endos are going back to the spirit world f*** that I'm staying, I'm pretty sure he has a way to become the jubis Jin you just can't underestimate based god
     
         

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    Re: Only a SAGE can be Jinchurriki of the Juubi !!!

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    No it doesn't say that ridukou senin learned ninjutsu after becoming the jubi. I think he got a huge boost from the Juubi, and it was due to the juubi he got his "creation of all things", but as Jiraya says. The ridukou senin traveled all over the world and taught ninjutsu. I will agree to the extent where there is a lot of hints saying that ridukou senin had rinnengan while he was traveling and teaching ninjutsu, but this is no proof that he was jinchuriki of the jubi yet.

    Hmm I think the creation magic is linked to the juubi, so it must be somewhat linked to natural energy as well. I think he gave Kurama his healing and sensing abilities, because Kurama was/is the strongest of the 9. It would only make sense to give the one with most power the tools to learn how to use his powers in the right way.



    Yeah I don't think that it is a coincidence, and I don't think the Juubi was his summon, of course it wasn't. However, I simply tried to question the theory, since there is no actual proof except of the visual proof.

    The reason I don't think the rinnengan came from the Juubi, is because Madara was able to awaken them again. As a matter of fact a Jinchuriki doesn't pass ANY of the beasts abilities on to his child. Then why would the sharingan be passed on to the child of the so6p?

    There is another possibility, and that is that the Juubi was evil. It didn't want to be controlled by the so6p, so it left some of its chakra in his eyes, so it could be passed down through generations, so that whoever would awake these eyes, would be able to revive the juubi again. - But then again it is said that the so6p gave his eye abilities to his son. So which is it? I still see too many flaws about this, to just start making conclusion. I don't say that the eye of the juubi doesn't look like it, but there may be other reasons for the way it looks, and Kishi might just want to cause confusion.



    Well about this I can just refer to what I said earlier, but it is true that with sealing techniques and natural energy you can accomplish a lot. This is also what I said before. Whether he taught nijutsu before or after sealing the juubi will be proven, if Kishi makes it sure that the rinnengan comes from the Juubi itself. You have proven that. We will have to wait and see.


    I think what I meant was that even the so6p must have been the product of some warmongering clans. I was simply trying to say that it's also possible that his rinnengan was inherited from his ancestors.
    Madara never said that the sharingan comes from the rinnengan. In fact it is the opposite. The rinnengan is an upgrade to the sharingan, but it can't be obtained by a "pure" uchiha through natural means. That is you need DNA from senju. But why can an Uzumaki still carry the eyes? What if Uzumaki is in fact the product of senju+uchiha? I am not saying this is my belief, but I think it is an interesting perspective, and it can work as another hypothesis or possibility as for where the rinnengan comes from, just to look at more possibilities than the obvious one, which is the Juubi.


    Yes I think this too. And I also have a feeling that Shikkotsu Forest might be, where Madara trained - and probably also Obito then. We know that Obito wants / needs to become the jinchuriki of the Juubi, but can he really control it without natural energy?
    Oh k I agree with you and don't agree with you on some things but all I can say is that let's just wait to see what Kishi brings us in the next couple of weeks and if either of us are right.

    P.S I have to say this. How could you know if it is impossible for a Jinchuriki could pass on Bijuu abilities on to their children. There have only really been two children born to a Jinchuriki and that is Naruto and Gaara both who have phenomenally control over their Bijuu powers. Gaara I don't really know about him because his father was a powerful sand user so it almost just makes it coincidence of him having Shukaku with powerful sand abilities so I will kind of stand on the fence on this one. But it is kind of interesting to see that he still had the Sand Manipulation power even after his Bijuu was extracted. So yes I still kind of think that a Jinchuriki can pass on Bijuu powers on to their heirs. The only definitive thing about both Naruto and Gaara is that they both have marks just like their Bijuus that they were housed with during their mother's pregnancy. So we will find out in the next couple of weeks.
     
         

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    Re: Only a SAGE can be Jinchurriki of the Juubi !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MilwaukeegHost View Post
    I'm definetally NOT saying that Madara doesnt know the requirements of becoming the Juubi Jinchurriki. I just think he's a F'ing liar. Think about it. Instead of starting the "ritual", Madara automatically wants to start fighting utilizing the Juubi Power. He may have been lying to Obito this whole time about Infinity Tsyconami (sorry mispell), he may have just wanted to have the power of the Juubi and Rule the REAL WORLD the whole time. Its time for a plot twist in the near future.....










    Yes. Madara/ Obito are CONTROLLING the Juubi, but they are not the JINCHURRIKI. I think that you cannot store an infinite amount of chakra (Karuma said its unmeasurable) into your body unless you have ACCESS to an infinite amount of chakra yourself. Only a SAGE could do this.












    Karuma would still be inside of him. ALL THE BIJUU would be inside of naruto. Their consciousness would still be inside of him, so Karuma could still talk to him. The Juubi has no mind of its own right now, its devoid of any consciousness. The the bijuu consciousness would still exist inside Naruto.











    Ok.

    If you dont need to be a Sage, Please explain something to me. How in the hell could any shinobi seal an INFINITE amount of chakra inside of his body?!? Why do you think only Uzumaki's were the Jinchurriki for the 9 Tails?!?

    I believe that Madara can NEVER be the jinchurriki for the Juubi, and HE KNOWS THIS. He has been lying to Obito. He just wants INFINITE POWER, which he has while controlling the Juubi. He can control the juubi because he has the EYES and BODY, but he cannot be its JINCHURRIKI.
    So far your argument has nothing to do with sages, but with uzumaki.
    And the sage being an uzumaki is complete bollocks as well.

    The sage was something special, completely unique.
    Most likely because he ( and no, the belief he had rinnegan from the start is also, most likely wrong ) body and willpower he was able to be its jinchuuriki, anyone can be a jinchuuriki, you just need enough willpower.
     
         

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    Re: Only a SAGE can be Jinchurriki of the Juubi !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by dhaoracle View Post
    Oh k I agree with you and don't agree with you on some things but all I can say is that let's just wait to see what Kishi brings us in the next couple of weeks and if either of us are right.

    P.S I have to say this. How could you know if it is impossible for a Jinchuriki could pass on Bijuu abilities on to their children. There have only really been two children born to a Jinchuriki and that is Naruto and Gaara both who have phenomenally control over their Bijuu powers. Gaara I don't really know about him because his father was a powerful sand user so it almost just makes it coincidence of him having Shukaku with powerful sand abilities so I will kind of stand on the fence on this one. But it is kind of interesting to see that he still had the Sand Manipulation power even after his Bijuu was extracted. So yes I still kind of think that a Jinchuriki can pass on Bijuu powers on to their heirs. The only definitive thing about both Naruto and Gaara is that they both have marks just like their Bijuus that they were housed with during their mother's pregnancy. So we will find out in the next couple of weeks.
    Yes marks but not actual powers. But now that you mention Gaara, had is quite different since he had shukaku sealed even before his birth. So this might have given her mom the same powers as shukaku, since it technically was sealed in both of them. So possibly it did pass on powers to Gaara.

    I also think that Shukaku wasn't evil, but Gaara was filled with hatred, so it was Gaara unconscious doing bad things with shukakus powers. This way, when Gaara actually turned good, and he might have given Gaara his powers. So it might be possible.

    Another thing is, if this is actually the case, it would also open the possibility that Shukaku gave Naruto some of his chakra back in their fight. Shukaku might have realized already at that time that Naruto would have a great importance, since he changed Gaara. This would also allow Naruto to awaken powers from all 9 bijus, which in turn could make it possible for him to fight the juubi.
     
         

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    Re: Only a SAGE can be Jinchurriki of the Juubi !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by valandil988 View Post
    You forget that Madara is an Edo Tensei, Ie infinite Chakra is supposedly at his command already. I don't think he would go daft over some psuedo hyperbeam attacks lol. When he has a fully realized Rinnegan with infinite chakra with which to use it.

    Your idea about Sage mode is interesting, there is no true limit to how much chakra Naruto can siphon but there is a limit to how much he can balance with his own chakra without dieing. Lets say Naruto enters Sage mode upon the moment the Juubi is sealed with him, is it possible that using an out of control sage mode transformation he could potentially balance the foul chakra of the Juubi with his out Natual energies. That way you could seal the juubi without destroying the host. Naruto would be a conduit for nature in a way in essence he would be god-like just like the SO6P was said to be.

    But for this to work he has to be able to do something that the toads have said is impossible gather Senjutsu continuously while moving for as long as it is sealed inside him. Either that or sit in one place forever lol. If this is possible then the SO6P probably new a great deal more about Senjutsu than Naruto so perhaps there is a way to gather Senjutsu while moving, naruto is just unaware of it, not to mention that conceptually Naruto is never still when entering SM, the planet is rotating and moving hence so is he moving. With this idea its not even the body of the sage thats needed you just have to know how to gather senjutsu, even badly, you just need to balance the chakras sure durability would help your body do this but I have a suspicion it isnt needed. How else did the SO6P become the Juubi's host if he got the body and the eyes from the Juubi?

    This is probably what killed the original SO6P imagine the strain, no human mind could take that for more than a life time, even if he had the potential to live longer.



    I see what you mean. But I dont agree.

    I do NOT think that Edo = Infinite Chakra. I believe it allows you to REGENERATE chakra infinitely, but not have it endlessly. This is proven with Muu, he did a split technique and needed to REGENERATE his chakra before summoning Madara.





    Quote Originally Posted by rai shado View Post
    The Death god couldn't seal all of Kurama's chakra so he only sealed half of it. He then sealed the other half in Naruto, using a very high quality seal as well, as said by Bee when Naruto told him what seal he had. He could have sealed all of it in Naruto but didn't, I don't know why, probably because Naruto was still a baby and wouldn't be able to control the chakra that leaked out.




    My point here was to show how much chakra is in Karuma alone. If he (by himself) is barely able to be sealed inside someone, imagine how much chakra you'd have to have to be the jinchurriki of the Juubi itself (all 9 bijuu)? Karuma said its so much chakra it cannot be measured, no one but someone with infinite chakra could do this. A Sage.




    Quote Originally Posted by Rot View Post
    You guys are confusing Rinnegan+Senju DNA = Sage

    Thats not what a Sage is, if you remember when Naruto was training at the Frog Mountain place that old geezer Frog told him that the Sage of Six Paths himself taught Senjutsu to the old frog/snake/(slug?) Sage's, this is why they are the "Great Sages" and the only ones who the So6P taught Senjutsu too

    So6P didn't teach all Senjutsu to one animal Sage, he split it out to three. The Frog Sage, The White Snake Sage and we can assume, The Slug Sage. Those animals were originally summons So6P had contracts with, him teaching them Senjutsu shows that you don't need Rinnegan or Senju DNA to use/learn Senjutsu and become a Sage. Madara nor Obito were taught nor use Senjutsu, they have the So6P body and eyes but lack the technique of using Natural Chakra.

    We now know the Juubi is equal to all the Natural Chakra on the planet. Naruto has been taught how to use Senjutsu by the Frog Sage's, and he is Uzumaki, giving him the "reserves" to be able to host immense amounts of chakra, Naruto will become the next So6P without the Rinnegan, probably with the help of Sasuke (Sasuke is changing back to good, lets face it, he had to redeem himself)



    I agree. I dont know if he will become the "SO6P", but he will def become the Jinchurriki of the Juubi. No one else can handle infinite natural chakra (but Kabuto maybe).




    Quote Originally Posted by apple pie of doom View Post
    So far your argument has nothing to do with sages, but with uzumaki.
    And the sage being an uzumaki is complete bollocks as well.

    The sage was something special, completely unique.
    Most likely because he ( and no, the belief he had rinnegan from the start is also, most likely wrong ) body and willpower he was able to be its jinchuuriki, anyone can be a jinchuuriki, you just need enough willpower.



    Seriously dude...?

    Anyone cannot be the jinchurriki. Sorry. There is a REASON that shinobi from the UZUMAKI CLAN specifically were brought to Konoha for the express purpose of being the 9 Tails Jinchurriki. Why not just use the shinobi inside of the Leaf already, IF ANYONE CAN BE A JINCHURRIKI?!?

    You need enough chakra reserves to house this incredible amount of chakra that the bijuu have. Not EVERYONE has enough chakra to do this, forget willpower. Willpower is a requirement too, but you need to be able to atleast survive the bonding process and have enough chakra to surpress the tailed beast's chakra.
     
         

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