Who was the best water release (suiton) user?

[regii sanguinis]

What do you mean Kisane doesn't have mastery in suiton. he created 6-7 original jutsu while Tobirama has made 1 to none. Sure h can creatr water from air but what else can he do. all hype

its because based on their most basic, Tobirama is already leagues beyond Kisame is water mastery.. Kisame's use of water jutsu isn't all unique, they are indeed far more powerful, but does not differ much from others.. this is mainly because of his raw chakra reserves.. but not because of his mastery.. being able to survive against the Gold and Silver Brothers (take note, they are Kumo Ninjas meaning, most possible raiton user with Kyubi chakra) and only being killed by the Kinkaku Force which is made up of 20 highly skilled ninjas (possible Kakashi level ninjas, or safe to say, Darui lvl ones) says a lot of his power, while what has already shown proves his mastery..

[Retsu]

Not this again. People, please, for the last time.
Tobirama didn't create water out of thin air during his fight with Hiruzen. That was only in the anime.
Here are the sequence of techniques he used and you can clearly see the water coming out of his mouth just like Kisame does. Just open the spoiler tag.

See, the water is coming from his mouth, he is not pulling it out of air moisture or whatever you are saying. He is, indeed, making his own water, but from his mouth just like Kisame does.
By the way, there are many people that are expecting too much from Tobirama just because he happens to be Hashirama's brother. Having a familiar bond with a legendary character doesn't automaticaly Tobirama legendary as well. Familiar sucess doesn't equals strength.

the thread is about who's the better water user, manga stated tobirama was able to create water from thin air, and said he was the worlds best at water release, evidently the fights were not as flashy in part 1, limiting how powerful tobirama actually appeared, but it's obvious tobirama is the best water user.

[TouchMyMangos]

the thread is about who's the better water user, manga stated tobirama was able to create water from thin air, and said he was the worlds best at water release, evidently the fights were not as flashy in part 1, limiting how powerful tobirama actually appeared, but it's obvious tobirama is the best water user.

where it say this?

[Shadow Abyss]

the thread is about who's the better water user, manga stated tobirama was able to create water from thin air, and said he was the worlds best at water release, evidently the fights were not as flashy in part 1, limiting how powerful tobirama actually appeared, but it's obvious tobirama is the best water user.

The manga didn't say anything. A random ANBU fodder said and I doubt any of them ever saw Kisame fighting. An info coming from a character is not the same thing than an info coming from Kishimoto himself, Kisame wasn't even introduced in the manga when that fight happened
Remember these are the guys that get impressed by anything, you are taking them way too seriously. Tobirama was a great water user in the past and maybe this statement was true during his time, but I believe he got surpassed.

[Retsu]

where it say this?

Can't be bothered with trawling through part 1 manga pages for one little phrase, but it should be on narutopedia

[~Dream~]

Kisame, we haven't the the extent and the plethora of Tobirama's.

[TouchMyMangos]

Can't be bothered with trawling through part 1 manga pages for one little phrase, but it should be on narutopedia

it never said that.

[Retsu]

it never said that.

Tobirama was primarily known for his mastery of Water Release. He could perform powerful water-style techniques in areas that lacked bodies of water by creating his own water out of thin air or producing it from his mouth, and perform some of the most complex water-style techniques, such as the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique, with a single hand seal. This among other reasons is why he is revered as the greatest known Water Release manipulator in the series.[18]

straight off of narutopedia

[TouchMyMangos]

Tobirama was primarily known for his mastery of Water Release. He could perform powerful water-style techniques in areas that lacked bodies of water by creating his own water out of thin air or producing it from his mouth, and perform some of the most complex water-style techniques, such as the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique, with a single hand seal. This among other reasons is why he is revered as the greatest known Water Release manipulator in the series.[18]

straight off of narutopedia

shame it never said that in the manga

[Retsu]

shame it never said that in the manga

oh well, it still stands that he's the best at water release, so it's not like I'm mad

[TouchMyMangos]

oh well, it still stands that he's the best at water release, so it's not like I'm mad

what kisame shown >> Mei >> tobirama

[Retsu]

what kisame shown >> Mei >> tobirama

what was said of tobirama>>>>Mei>kisame

[TouchMyMangos]

what was said of tobirama>>>>Mei>kisame

what was said of tobirama = nothing lmfao

[Retsu]

what was said of tobirama = nothing lmfao

if it helps you sleep at night, go ahead and believe that, lmfao

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Tobirama
Kisame
Mei

[kisamerox9]

Kisame isn't even really that good with water, he's more dangerous from absorbing an opponents chakra, tobirama can't be compared to any users, because he's had very little screen time, but kisame has nothing on tobirama when it comes to water, never have I seen anyone say anything about his water release, the only thing that makes him a threat is the fact that he can suck chakra, and his high reserves, other than that though he's nothing special. Even tobirama's part 1 anime fight had more impressive water release moves than kisame, all he does is over power ppl with his absurd chakra levels and leaching there chakra to heal.

if kisame couldn't absorb chakra his water release moves wouldn't really be deadly, while tobirama was said to be the best at it in the world, without cheap gimmicks such as chakra absorbing. ppl said hashirama was all hype last year and now look how powerful he is, and tobirama is his brother, who was said to be almost as strong. if that's the case, then tobirama would make kisame look like a novice in water release, and the only thing that could keep him alive is his chakra absorbtion.

If Kisame couldn't absorb chakra.
Chakra absorbtion is Kisame's specialty,that's like saying if Diedaras attacks couldn't explode he wouldn't be good. Your post is very illogical in the beggining you say the Tobirama can't be compared to any other user. But you go on to say that he can't be compared to any other suiton users because he has no screen time, but you go on to compare Kisame to Tobirama.
Your post is just dumb

[Retsu]

If Kisame couldn't absorb chakra.
Chakra absorbtion is Kisame's specialty,that's like saying if Diedaras attacks couldn't explode he wouldn't be good. Your post is very illogical in the beggining you say the Tobirama can't be compared to any other user. But you go on to say that he can't be compared to any other suiton users because he has no screen time, but you go on to compare Kisame to Tobirama.
Your post is just dumb

you're just butt hurt your favorite character isn't the best water user, go to bed

[kisamerox9]

its because based on their most basic, Tobirama is already leagues beyond Kisame is water mastery.. Kisame's use of water jutsu isn't all unique, they are indeed far more powerful, but does not differ much from others.. this is mainly because of his raw chakra reserves.. but not because of his mastery.. being able to survive against the Gold and Silver Brothers (take note, they are Kumo Ninjas meaning, most possible raiton user with Kyubi chakra) and only being killed by the Kinkaku Force which is made up of 20 highly skilled ninjas (possible Kakashi level ninjas, or safe to say, Darui lvl ones) says a lot of his power, while what has already shown proves his mastery..

Who else has moves that absorb chakra and become stronger abd larger?. Who else can create 1000 sharks in an instant? Who else can manipulate a huge body of water to form around them? What is not unique about his style?

[kisamerox9]

you're just butt hurt your favorite character isn't the best water user, go to bed

Run out of arguments I see. Now you've just started to trash talk typical from illogical people like you

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Kisame by feats... I couldn't care less about the hype about Tobirama. Just to let you know Kisame man-handled the eight-tails easily, and has the same chakra as a Bijuu once he fuses with Samehada.

Its sad that he had to get trolled by Gai, and had to fight without the sword when he was already injured.

[End of Days]

But you go on to say that he can't be compared to any other suiton users because he has no screen time, but you go on to compare Kisame to Tobirama.
Your post is just dumb

you're just butt hurt your favorite character isn't the best water user, go to bed

a war between fans

[kral]

Wen kissame can do water techs with 1 hand he will b better but until them he won't be. Sorry just truth.

[Shadow Abyss]

Wen kissame can do water techs with 1 hand he will b better but until them he won't be. Sorry just truth.

But Kisame DOES water techniques with only one seal.
He just needs to clap his hands to flood a forest.

[Retsu]

Run out of arguments I see. Now you've just started to trash talk typical from illogical people like you

I've already proven why I think tobi's better than kisame, you're no one I need to prove anything to, but I'll break it down anyways, tobirama was able to take a jutsu that required more handsigns than any other and condensed it to one, and his water release was hyped, no one else I can think of had this hype on suiton, furthermore he is hashi's bro, ppl wanna act like that means nothing but it means a lot, hashirama is stupidly strong, and tobirama was supposed to be right behind him.

Kisame doesn't really use water offensively, he's more likely to just trap you in his dome, absorb your chakra and beat you to death with his sword, and anyone could vomit water on kisames level if they had bijuu levels of chakra and on top of this the ability to absorb jutsu, but kisame will never be able to use the water dragon jutsu with 1 sign.

Tobirama is actually winning his fights with water, while kisame wins through power, stamina, and absorbing the opponents chakra, if there were a fight where he had to rely soley on water, without absorbing someones strength, I know he'd do worse than tobirama.

[kisamerox9]

I've already proven why I think tobi's better than kisame, you're no one I need to prove anything to, but I'll break it down anyways, tobirama was able to take a jutsu that required more handsigns than any other and condensed it to one, and his water release was hyped, no one else I can think of had this hype on suiton, furthermore he is hashi's bro, ppl wanna act like that means nothing but it means a lot, hashirama is stupidly strong, and tobirama was supposed to be right behind him.

Kisame doesn't really use water offensively, he's more likely to just trap you in his dome, absorb your chakra and beat you to death with his sword, and anyone could vomit water on kisames level if they had bijuu levels of chakra and on top of this the ability to absorb jutsu, but kisame will never be able to use the water dragon jutsu with 1 sign.

Tobirama is actually winning his fights with water, while kisame wins through power, stamina, and absorbing the opponents chakra, if there were a fight where he had to rely soley on water, without absorbing someones strength, I know he'd do worse than tobirama.

can you show proof that he only needed on handseal, from the manga?