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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    And how do you know this?

    I think you're misunderstanding. Kirin is not a long-range, powerful futon jutsu, so according to that manga it will not harm the Sandaime Raikage in the extremely unlikely event that Sasuke would even be able to use it against him.

    Basically, in a raiton-only fight, Sasuke has no chance.
    he obvisously is gonna have shinobi to replace the ones that die,, if he didnt there would be no eight tails subduing team.

    im not misunderstanding. I know that kirin isnt a futon jutsu but it can still kill the raikage. Also if you say that only long range futon jutsu can harm him than how did hellstab harm? If the lightning jutsu is strong enough than it will harm him and even kill him
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaBrothers View Post
    Itachi did activate susanoo and without it he wouldve died

    there is absolutely no lightning jutsu that has the power of kirin.

    Kirin is much stronger than frs and plus kirin is a piercing technique if kirin were to hit him it would go straight through his skull
    It is Not stronger than the Rasen Shuriken - it Has the Same power






    They have the Same power , But Kirin is more of a Piercing explosion , while the Rasen Shuriken is a Spherical Cutting tornado technique

    Dont confuse yourself , i know you are a Sasuke fan , but accepting facts wont hurt
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    he obvisously is gonna have shinobi to replace the ones that die,, if he didnt there would be no eight tails subduing team.

    im not misunderstanding. I know that kirin isnt a futon jutsu but it can still kill the raikage. Also if you say that only long range futon jutsu can harm him than how did hellstab harm him? If the lightning jutsu is strong enough than it will harm him and even kill him. Thats what i was trying to say.
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaBrothers View Post
    he obvisously is gonna have shinobi to replace the ones that die,, if he didnt there would be no eight tails subduing team.

    im not misunderstanding. I know that kirin isnt a futon jutsu but it can still kill the raikage. Also if you say that only long range futon jutsu can harm him than how did hellstab harm? If the lightning jutsu is strong enough than it will harm him and even kill him
    That's your assumption, and nothing else.

    By saying that, you're going against the manga. If the manga says only long range, futon jutsu can harm him, then it implies that he is invulnerable to other affinities (especially raiton, which is his own affinity). And you're trying to go against this, I mean your avatar is kirin and your sig is Sasuke so of course they're almighty.
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoSageUzumaki View Post
    It is Not stronger than the Rasen Shuriken - it Has the Same power






    They have the Same power , But Kirin is more of a Piercing explosion , while the Rasen Shuriken is a Spherical Cutting tornado technique

    Dont confuse yourself , i know you are a Sasuke fan , but accepting facts wont hurt
    Kirin's explosion was much bigger and like i said before kirin is a piercing attack which is very different from frs.
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    That's your assumption, and nothing else.

    By saying that, you're going against the manga. If the manga says only long range, futon jutsu can harm him, then it implies that he is invulnerable to other affinities (especially raiton, which is his own affinity). And you're trying to go against this, I mean your avatar is kirin and your sig is Sasuke so of course they're almighty.
    Exactly .......

    It is like he is trying to read between the lines

    - and in between the Lines it is -" Sasuke OP , Sasuke is God , Sasuke is the strongest , Sasuke Sasuke Sasuke"

    He reads straight into Kishimoto's mind , He can probably read urs too , be carefull

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaBrothers View Post
    Kirin's explosion was much bigger and like i said before kirin is a piercing attack which is very different from frs.
    It was not .


    That was a close up of a Hill , that was not that big .

    And Kirin harmed the Tip of it. It is a close up , do not confuse things

    - i am an Itachi fan , i watched that battle a lot of times

    Wind > Lightning

    / our Argument
     
         
    Last edited by NarutoSageUzumaki; 11-19-2012 at 01:10 AM.

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    That's your assumption, and nothing else.

    By saying that, you're going against the manga. If the manga says only long range, futon jutsu can harm him, then it implies that he is invulnerable to other affinities (especially raiton, which is his own affinity). And you're trying to go against this, I mean your avatar is kirin and your sig is Sasuke so of course they're almighty.
    lol how is that my assumption?

    im not going against the manga, didnt the 3rd raikage harm himself with a lightning jutsu? Just because I think kirin looks cool doesnt mean i think its almighty
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaBrothers View Post
    lol how is that my assumption?

    im not going against the manga, didnt the 3rd raikage harm himself with a lightning jutsu? Just because I think kirin looks cool doesnt mean i think its almighty
    but it was his ultimate weapon , Used with his Ultimate power at Point Blank range.

    And Naruto's Rasengan helped Propel it even more at that Close Range
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoSageUzumaki View Post
    Exactly .......

    It is like he is trying to read between the lines

    - and in between the Lines it is -" Sasuke OP , Sasuke is God , Sasuke is the strongest , Sasuke Sasuke Sasuke"

    He reads straight into Kishimoto's mind , He can probably read urs too , be carefull


    It was not .


    That was a close up of a Hill , that was not that big .

    And Kirin harmed the Tip of it. It is a close up , do not confuse things

    - i am an Itachi fan , i watched that battle a lot of times

    Wind > Lightning

    / our Argument
    I assure you im not a crazed sasuke fanboy.

    ive watched the episode it shows kirin destroying the whole uchiha hideout, which is the size of the mountain. Also if you read the wiki its says that kirin has the power to obliterate a mountain.
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaBrothers View Post
    I assure you im not a crazed sasuke fanboy.

    ive watched the episode it shows kirin destroying the whole uchiha hideout, which is the size of the mountain. Also if you read the wiki its says that kirin has the power to obliterate a mountain.
    it says a Hill

    as they were on a Hill

    FRS can cut a mountan in Half , and then explode
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoSageUzumaki View Post
    but it was his ultimate weapon , Used with his Ultimate power at Point Blank range.

    And Naruto's Rasengan helped Propel it even more at that Close Range
    it doesnt mater if it is his ultimate jutsu kirin is still much stronger than it

    He still stabbed himself when he and hachibi fought.
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaBrothers View Post
    it doesnt mater if it is his ultimate jutsu kirin is still much stronger than it

    He still stabbed himself when he and hachibi fought.
    it is stronger

    But

    Kirin does not stab

    it explodes .

    it is an aerial attack , while a Rasen-Shuriken can be used both to Cut and to explode
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoSageUzumaki View Post
    it says a Hill

    as they were on a Hill

    FRS can cut a mountan in Half , and then explode
    in the wiki it says mountain

    where was it stated that frs can cut a mountain in half
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaBrothers View Post
    lol how is that my assumption?

    im not going against the manga, didnt the 3rd raikage harm himself with a lightning jutsu? Just because I think kirin looks cool doesnt mean i think its almighty
    How is it not your assumption? You're the one who's assuming this.

    A mere wound from his Hell Stab, not to mention that he was out of chakra and he fell on himself. Furthermore, that was plot to give Naruto a way to beat the Third Raikage.
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaBrothers View Post
    in the wiki it says mountain

    where was it stated that frs can cut a mountain in half




    in that Picture , a rasen shuriken flew by Cutting everything in his path through the whole battlefield , and then it exploded
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoSageUzumaki View Post
    it is stronger

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    Kirin does not stab

    it explodes .

    it is an aerial attack , while a Rasen-Shuriken can be used both to Cut and to explode
    kirin actually pierces and explodes.

    Thats true, but can it cut a mountain in half?
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    I thought it was obvious that Sasuke is the greatest raiton user in terms of mastery. And meanwhile a bunch of clueless morons argue amongst themselves about things non-sequitur and that has nothing to do with the thread.

    This isn't about two raiton users battling with their respective raitons. That automatically rules out everyone on the list despite their lightning release prowess (i.e. Kakashi is stronger than Darui, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's the superior raiton user. This thread is more or less about who has the most proficiency of the art).

    This isn't about any other jutsu or style. This isn't Rasenshuriken vs. Kirin. This is simply about who is the most adept user of the lightning style and art.

    I go with Sasuke. Then the 3rd Raikage. Why? Simply because Kirin is the highest level raiton in the series as it's raw lightning. Sasuke is the only person in the manga shown with the ability to tame sheer lightning. No one else but him can do this. While the 3rd's signature raiton technique is something extremely similar to the Chidori in terms of mechanics and style.

    Based on feats, here is a canon list of the best lightning release users from greatest to least (descending order):

    1. Sasuke
    2. 3rd Raikage
    3. 4th Raikage/A
    4. Darui
    5. Kakashi
    6. 2nd Raikage - We've seen nearly nothing from this guy
    7. Ameyuri Ringo - Ruled out due to non-canonical likeness. Anime does not qualify. Otherwise Raiga of the Seven Swordsman of the Mist and others would be on this list.


    These are the most honed lightning release (raiton) users that were listed. Again, from greatest to least.
     
         
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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Kirin would surely be an example of Sasukes expertise as a fire release user. The creation of the technique requires only fire. His lightning release is only used to direct it, which I agree is pretty skilled but does not make him the best lightning release user.
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaBrothers View Post
    kirin actually pierces and explodes.

    Thats true, but can it cut a mountain in half?
    well you see . the thing with explosions in this manga .

    everyone seems to survive them
    but not stabs

    Kirin is stronger , but it's piercing power is distributed all over the place of impact .

    thus is does not act like a stab


    the 3rd Stabbed himself with his own jutsu at Point blank range+ Naruto pushed his hand


    Sasuke can beat the 3rd , but not with Kirin . comeon
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    How is it not your assumption? You're the one who's assuming this.

    A mere wound from his Hell Stab, not to mention that he was out of chakra and he fell on himself. Furthermore, that was plot to give Naruto a way to beat the Third Raikage.
    im not assuming that. In the manga it states that the third raikage had an eight tales subduing team

    Yes now imagine how much more damage kirin will do to the raikage.
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoSageUzumaki View Post
    well you see . the thing with explosions in this manga .

    everyone seems to survive them
    but not stabs

    Kirin is stronger , but it's piercing power is distributed all over the place of impact .

    thus is does not act like a stab


    the 3rd Stabbed himself with his own jutsu at Point blank range+ Naruto pushed his hand


    Sasuke can beat the 3rd , but not with Kirin . comeon
    Yea but Sasuke has one main piercing lightning bolt that will pierce THEN explode.

    with kirin's lightning speed it will be like it is point blank range.

    I said if kirin does hit the third raikage then he would be most likely defeated
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaBrothers View Post
    Yea but Sasuke has one main piercing lightning bolt that will pierce THEN explode.

    with kirin's lightning speed it will be like it is point blank range.

    I said if kirin does hit the third raikage then he would be most likely defeated
    I did not deny that it stabs , read it again


    its stabbing power is distributed all over the spot of impact which is immense , thus it is not as concentrated as a stab would be.

    Hellstab is 1 Finger of concentrated chakra of Lightning , that is stronger than Raikiri and Chidori
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    U're talkin abt da raiton users by the techniques they have or how they use their techniques? @Forget me not
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Kakashi has the tools to tame raw lightning but does not have the fire jutsu to create it. So in theory, Kakashi could redirect Kirin if Sasuke tried to us it on him.

    The tools being sharingan and lightning release.
     
         

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    Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

    Quote Originally Posted by NarutoSageUzumaki View Post
    I did not deny that it stabs , read it again


    its stabbing power is distributed all over the spot of impact which is immense , thus it is not as concentrated as a stab would be.

    Hellstab is 1 Finger of concentrated chakra of Lightning , that is stronger than Raikiri and Chidori
    ok i get what you were saying with that.

    But kirin's power is still much stonger than hellstab so why wouldnt it be able to defeat third raikage?
     
         

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