LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

[TheSages456]

*Could* As in past tense, it's made clear because that's exactly what Tsunade was talking about before he said that, the past.

Madara's wood style is on par with Hashi as shown here:

And Mito was there during the battle at the VOTE to aid him.

massive downplay of this kind has already been countered in many threads before this. you brought nothing new to the table.

[TheSages456]

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OR it is prob due to the fact Hashi knows Madara's playbook and has sealing techs, i.e, a sure fire way to beat an Edo.

sure you can stay in denail all you want as long as you know that the manga says that you are wrong.

[Exaar]

Also i'll add one more thing to people/Fanboys who believe Dan's statement as Fact.

Muu also Stated that onoki was the only person that could defeat him, Does this also mean Muu > EVery current living shinobi apart from onoki?.

[Thundercles]

sure you can stay in denail all you want as long as you know that the manga says that you are wrong.

The manga also says Hiruzen was the strongest Kage. So that makes you equally wrong.

[Thundercles]

Also i'll add one more thing to people/Fanboys who believe Dan's statement as Fact.

Muu also Stated that onoki was the only person that could defeat him, Does this also mean Muu > EVery current living shinobi apart from onoki?.

This.

[TheSages456]

The manga also says Hiruzen was the strongest Kage. So that makes you equally wrong.

manga says that nobody believed in hashiramas strength.

[Thundercles]

manga says that nobody believed in hashiramas strength.

Proof?

[Senju Kinko]

I just realized this today, while debating on youtube. Kishimoto already proved hiruzen's title "God of shinobi" wrong.

People didn't want to be believe it through Madara Uchiha. But a more confirmed person has proved it wrong.

I bet you all know his name. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you Tsunade's lover... DAN

This Man stated: Only hashirama could possibly stop Madara. LOL.

Funny part about that is.. Hashirama was way before Dan's time. lol. He was a jounin when Sarutobi was the Hokage ;p. And he had seen his prime. =3. :P:D

Is this the same dan who said he's gonna become hokage lmao

How about you go in the belly of the death god and ask hashirama about that lol

[TheSages456]

Proof?

the manga stated that his strength was a fairytail like rikudo sennin. does the majority believe in rikudo. nope. people like shikaku state that legends are exaggerated and he is one of the people that kabuto was probably speakin about that were doubtful of hashiramas strength. get it through your head. tales of hashiramas strength were a bedtime story.

[Omnipotent]

I just realized this today, while debating on youtube. Kishimoto already proved hiruzen's title "God of shinobi" wrong.

People didn't want to be believe it through Madara Uchiha. But a more confirmed person has proved it wrong.

I bet you all know his name. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you Tsunade's lover... DAN

This Man stated: Only hashirama could possibly stop Madara. LOL.

Funny part about that is.. Hashirama was way before Dan's time. lol. He was a jounin when Sarutobi was the Hokage ;p. And he had seen his prime. =3. :P:D

Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel. Dan probably never saw Hiruzen fight.

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

Iruka is the one who made this awful statement that have driven people in a infinite debate?

1. Iruka never saw Hiruzen in his Prime.

2. Iruka knows nothing about Hashirama.

3. Iruka is a weakling, simply seeing a fireball amaze him, he saw some jutsu from the Hokage and got all excited and called him the best when he never saw the previous Hokage power.

4. Didn't Hiruzen himself say the Fourth Hokage was the best?

5. The story has changed a lot from Naruto to Shippuden.

6. Kishi is desperately trying to make up by making Madara always speak of Hashirama. Yet the Hashi hater/Hiruzen Fanboys can't admit it.

7. No one wants Hiruzen DNA :P jk :o

8. Hashirama > Hiruzen.

9. Deal with it.

[Owarij]

the manga stated that his strength was a fairytail like rikudo sennin. does the majority believe in rikudo. nope. people like shikaku state that legends are exaggerated and he is one of the people that kabuto was probably speakin about that were doubtful of hashiramas strength. get it through your head. tales of hashiramas strength were a bedtime story.

manga also said that there are ninjas on hashiramas level who aren't alive... Point? He's obviously not the only ninja that strong

[Thundercles]

the manga stated that his strength was a fairytail like rikudo sennin. does the majority believe in rikudo. nope. people like shikaku state that legends are exaggerated and he is one of the people that kabuto was probably speakin about that were doubtful of hashiramas strength. get it through your head. tales of hashiramas strength were a bedtime story.

So this actually proves nothing. It is all speculation. At least with Hiruzen, Oro stated that if he were 10 years younger he could've beat him along with the Edo's. Hiruzen never refuted the statement the he was stronger than the Kage and he seems like a very humble man. Madara only stated what he did because #1 he has a great respect for Hashi due to their previous battles (before the 3rd's time) #2 Hashi has sealing techs that are perfect against Edo's #3 Hashi knows his playbook.

All you need to know is this: Whether Madara says this or that, he is going to be defeated. Whether it is Naruto w/ Sasuke or anyone, he is going to lose. So Madara can make a ****ing rap album about his love for Hashi all he wants, but in the end.. he is going to lose to someone who isnt Hashi.

[Thundercles]

Iruka is the one who made this awful statement that have driven people in a infinite debate?

1. Iruka never saw Hiruzen in his Prime.

2. Iruka knows nothing about Hashirama.

3. Iruka is a weakling, simply seeing a fireball amaze him, he saw some jutsu from the Hokage and got all excited and called him the best when he never saw the previous Hokage power.

4. Didn't Hiruzen himself say the Fourth Hokage was the best?

5. The story has changed a lot from Naruto to Shippuden.

6. Kishi is desperately trying to make up by making Madara always speak of Hashirama. Yet the Hashi hater/Hiruzen Fanboys can't admit it.

7. No one wants Hiruzen DNA :P jk :o

8. Hashirama > Hiruzen.

9. Deal with it.

Iruka's words are Kishi's words. End of argument right there.

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

the manga stated that his strength was a fairytail like rikudo sennin. does the majority believe in rikudo. nope. people like shikaku state that legends are exaggerated and he is one of the people that kabuto was probably speakin about that were doubtful of hashiramas strength. get it through your head. tales of hashiramas strength were a bedtime story.

^^^^^^^^^

+ rep.

[Thundercles]

manga also said that there are ninjas on hashiramas level who aren't alive... Point? He's obviously not the only ninja that strong

Exactly, and remember Hashi did lose in battle to someone who wasn't Madara. So, like it has been stated: Naruto is rock, paper, scissors.

[TheSages456]

manga also said that there are ninjas on hashiramas level who aren't alive... Point? He's obviously not the only ninja that strong

yup, hiruzen is automatically on the level to bust moutains without effort just because you want him to be. its obvious that there isnt a prime hiruzen. kishi is wrapping up the manga and your boyfriend isnt gonna be shown in his "prime"

So this actually proves nothing. It is all speculation. At least with Hiruzen, Oro stated that if he were 10 years younger he could've beat him along with the Edo's. Hiruzen never refuted the statement the he was stronger than the Kage and he seems like a very humble man. Madara only stated what he did because #1 he has a great respect for Hashi due to their previous battles (before the 3rd's time) #2 Hashi has sealing techs that are perfect against Edo's #3 Hashi knows his playbook.

All you need to know is this: Whether Madara says this or that, he is going to be defeated. Whether it is Naruto w/ Sasuke or anyone, he is going to lose. So Madara can make a ****ing rap album about his love for Hashi all he wants, but in the end.. he is going to lose to someone who isnt Hashi.

its already stated in the manga that hashiramas power was a fairytale and it was stated in the manga that people were skeptical about legends and kabuto said that he wanted to the people who were were not credulous about hashiramas power wrong.

manga canon>your bullshit

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

Hiruzen is commonly known as the Senju whoop ass'er.

How he got that nickname?

Go and ask Tobirama and Hashirama, wherever they are.

[LegendaryAce]

Iruka is the one who made this awful statement that have driven people in a infinite debate?

1. Iruka never saw Hiruzen in his Prime.

2. Iruka knows nothing about Hashirama.

3. Iruka is a weakling, simply seeing a fireball amaze him, he saw some jutsu from the Hokage and got all excited and called him the best when he never saw the previous Hokage power.

4. Didn't Hiruzen himself say the Fourth Hokage was the best?

5. The story has changed a lot from Naruto to Shippuden.

6. Kishi is desperately trying to make up by making Madara always speak of Hashirama. Yet the Hashi hater/Hiruzen Fanboys can't admit it.

7. No one wants Hiruzen DNA :P jk :o

8. Hashirama > Hiruzen.

9. Deal with it.

I was going to say something but this sums it all ..let the hiruzen vs hashirama thing die till kishi talks or we see more about any of these 2

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

Exactly, and remember Hashi did lose in battle to someone who wasn't Madara. So, like it has been stated: Naruto is rock, paper, scissors.

Who ever said he lost to someone???
Hashirama was incredibly strong but that doesn't mean he was invincible. We don't know how he died so stop your ignorant bullshit. He maybe died the same way as his brother against many skilled shinobi or any other scenario. Your rock, paper, scissors excuse doesn't work in this case.

[Thundercles]

yup, hiruzen is automatically on the level to bust moutains without effort just because you want him to be. its obvious that there isnt a prime hiruzen. kishi is wrapping up the manga and your boyfriend isnt gonna be shown in his "prime"


its already stated in the manga that hashiramas power was a fairytale and it was stated in the manga that people were skeptical about legends and kabuto said that he wanted to the people who were were not credulous about hashiramas power wrong.

manga canon>your bullshit

Manga canon? The manga canon casts doubt on Hashi's power. Manga canon makes a factual statement about Hiruzen's.

Who ever said he lost to someone???
Hashirama was incredibly strong but that doesn't mean he was invincible. We don't know how he died so stop your ignorant bullshit. He maybe died the same way as his brother against many skilled shinobi or any other scenario. Your rock, paper, scissors excuse doesn't work in this case.

It says in the first databook that he died in one of the many wars, so I'm pretty sure he died in battle. And that was to someone/a group of ninja, whatever. And it isn't ignorant to believe that Hashi was defeated by someone. It is realistic logic. If Naruto has taught anything, it is this: Anyone can lose due to the right circumstances.

[Thundercles]

Anyways, back to topic, it does not prove Hiruzen's hype to be wrong. Just that Hashi is perfect for Madara.

[TheSages456]

Manga canon? The manga canon casts doubt on Hashi's power. Manga canon makes a factual statement about Hiruzen's.



It says in the first databook that he died in one of the many wars, so I'm pretty sure he died in battle. And that was to someone/a group of ninja, whatever. And it isn't ignorant to believe that Hashi was defeated by someone. It is realistic logic. If Naruto has taught anything, it is this: Anyone can lose due to the right circumstances.

manga canon says that hashiramas power was so great that nobody thought that such a strong shinobi could exist so they merely shrugged off the tales of his strength. people believed in hiruzens strength wholeheartedly.

[Thundercles]

manga canon says that hashiramas power was so great that nobody thought that such a strong shinobi could exist so they merely shrugged off the tales of his strength. people believed in hiruzens strength wholeheartedly.

I, absolutely, believe that Hashi's power was unreal, but that doesn't mean Hiruzen didnt have the techs or cunning to beat him. David beat Goliath with a sling-shot. "Given the right circumstances, anyone can lose to anyone...except Ten-ten."

[TheSages456]

I, absolutely, believe that Hashi's power was unreal, but that doesn't mean Hiruzen didnt have the techs or cunning to beat him. David beat Goliath with a sling-shot. "Given the right circumstances, anyone can lose to anyone...except Ten-ten."

so your speculating basically. unless hiruzen uses reaper death seal(he needs to be close unlike minato. hashiramas forest obliterates him from a distance) he can do nothing to hashirama. as it stands now hashirama is superior. kishi made a loophole which entails nobody believing in hashiramas strength then people saying that hiruzen is the strongest. he basically retconned hiruzens hype as the strongest hokage.

konohamaru can kill madara with a sneak rasengan to the back when he doesnt have susano up but fights dont start out like that so this "anyone can beat anybody" argument is pretty baseless since something that ridiculous has never happened. kishi wouldnt make konohamru look like a threat to madara at all no matter the conditions because they are on different levels.