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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

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    -_- destroyed, is that why hiruzen said to him self "I HAVE NO HOPE, I HAVE TO USE THAT JUTSU" -_- destroyed did hashi even use his wood dragon, tree world, kenjutsu skills etc before hiruzen said he had no hope -_- Did tobirama even use s/t before hiruzen gave up

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    Whose fault is it that Kishi decided to make Hashi a fk'in god in Shippuden? He's just making crap up along the way. Like the Wood Dragon. Hiruzen, had he been younger, would wreck Hashi and his brother, along with Orochimaru, more then he already did. Don't blame me for stating facts, blame Kishi for changing his mind in Shippuden. In the end, Hiruzen > Hashi.
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    1. You cant say that hashirama has more chakra then hiruzen because you have never seen hiruzen in his prime.

    2.Hiruzen knows more than 1000 jutsu, he knows every technique in the hidden leaf village. Hashirama doesnt know every jutsu from the hidden leaf village.

    3. They werent screaming, they were invisible..

    5. That was not a low scale mokuton, it was way more advanced then anything yamato has ever done. You are trolling by saying that yamato's is better. He used the tree world technique. Re-read the manga or watch the anime.. The tree world he used against hiruzen was massive, and hiruzen still broke free.



    6. he knows all of hashirama's jutsu's and he already countered his mokuton.
    You telling me hiruzen could deal with tree would, wood dragons bringer of darknesses, wood release, healing abilities, summoning kenjutsu skills etc.. -_- hiruzen they guy who couldn't even deal with the nine tails when hashi can make the nine tails his ***** blindfolded
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by Lrrrrr View Post
    Whose fault is it that Kishi decided to make Hashi a fk'in god in Shippuden? He's just making crap up along the way. Like the Wood Dragon. Hiruzen, had he been younger, would wreck Hashi and his brother, along with Orochimaru, more then he already did. Don't blame me for stating facts, blame Kishi for changing his mind in Shippuden. In the end, Hiruzen > Hashi.
    If you agree that Kishi; the Creator of this manga, has "changed his mind" about who the strongest is, then does it make sense to say Hiruzen>Hashirama...? Wouldn't it make more sense to say Hashirama>Hiruzen?
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hidden Shinobi View Post
    -_- destroyed, is that why hiruzen said to him self "I HAVE NO HOPE, I HAVE TO USE THAT JUTSU" -_- destroyed did hashi even use his wood dragon, tree world, kenjutsu skills etc before hiruzen said he had no hope -_- Did tobirama even use s/t before hiruzen gave up

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    Hiruzen was a old geezer at the time.. He only used 7 jutsus out of the +1000 that he was said to have known. His chakra was no where compair to his prime. His taijutsu was inferior to himself in his prime yet he still went toe-to-toe with hash and tobirama. In his prime Hiruzen is said to be stronger the hashirama. Whats so hard to believe about that.
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by Lrrrrr View Post
    Whose fault is it that Kishi decided to make Hashi a fk'in god in Shippuden? He's just making crap up along the way. Like the Wood Dragon. Hiruzen, had he been younger, would wreck Hashi and his brother, along with Orochimaru, more then he already did. Don't blame me for stating facts, blame Kishi for changing his mind in Shippuden. In the end, Hiruzen > Hashi.
    Never changed his mind he had this story from the beginning do you think he said hey hey I got an idea let me make a nine tails fox attack the village and make up a reason later on -_- I have scans which prove most of this stuff was thoughtout from part 1. Do you think he said haha let me just give this guy one sharingan and see where this goes -_-

    -_- wreck them more then he already did. -_- did hiruzen not have a funereal while orochimaru was a live in part 2 and still walking now.

    Did hiruzen even beat the 1st and 2nd or did he say there is no other way and used a suicide tech

    I repeat, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.

     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    1. You cant say that hashirama has more chakra then hiruzen because you have never seen hiruzen in his prime.

    2.Hiruzen knows more than 1000 jutsu, he knows every technique in the hidden leaf village. Hashirama doesnt know every jutsu from the hidden leaf village.

    3. They werent screaming, they were invisible..

    5. That was not a low scale mokuton, it was way more advanced then anything yamato has ever done. You are trolling by saying that yamato's is better. He used the tree world technique. Re-read the manga or watch the anime.. The tree world he used against hiruzen was massive, and hiruzen still broke free.



    6. he knows all of hashirama's jutsu's and he already countered his mokuton.
    1. No I am using the manga hashirama is a senju known for their chakra...
    2. That doesn't mean he can use them all ..
    3. They were punching and kicking same as screaming catch me .. No they weren't invisible long ranged hiruzen wouldn't have been able to do anything .. He only got them because they were so close
    5. Compare it to madaras then talk .. If hashirama is on par or greater than madaras mokuton then the mokuton he used there was weak and limited to as big as a roof only since the barrier was up
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    Hiruzen was a old geezer at the time.. He only used 7 jutsus out of the +1000 that he was said to have known. His chakra was no where compair to his prime. His taijutsu was inferior to himself in his prime yet he still went toe-to-toe with hash and tobirama. In his prime Hiruzen is said to be stronger the hashirama. Whats so hard to believe about that.
    No one relevant said that, yet edo madara you know the guy who looks like he could singly handedly fight the alliance said much much more about hashi.

    Also hiruzen gave up before hashi and tobi could even break a sweat
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hidden Shinobi View Post
    You telling me hiruzen could deal with tree would, wood dragons bringer of darknesses, wood release, healing abilities, summoning kenjutsu skills etc.. -_- hiruzen they guy who couldn't even deal with the nine tails when hashi can make the nine tails his ***** blindfolded
    Yes he can.. That man has a arsenal of many justu's we havent seen yet. He was faster and stronger in his prime than what we saw in his battle against oro. Hiruzen in his prime was the perfect shinobi.. He wasnt given the nickname God of Shinobi for no reason. He already showed he was capable of countering everything hashirama has.

    You act like hiruzen hasent mastered medical jutsu himself. he mastered all forms of jutsu including medical..
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

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    Still no scan huh?
    Sure when you provide one... Blaze has been the one whose been providing.. unless your blaze?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    I didnt jump position i already explained why hiruzen is the strongest hokage. It you who dont seem to understand why he is the strongest hokage. It has not so much to do with raw power like you think. Ive also explained why hashirama has very good counters for madara.

    Ill upload you the full chapter;



    Any way it seems you cannot hold the end of the bargain. I gave you manga links you gave me nothing.

    If you cannot upload a single manga chapter where it says hashirama is the strongest hokage, you have not much to cling onto. Why is it so hard to upload this one chapter, which if you did will make your argument a whole lot stronger.

    I need to go bed :scorps:
    Dude.. do you even know what the strongest means???? Hashirama's counters don't apply to Sarutobi?? what?

    You never asked for a link i believe..But I believe someone has already given the link to the statement Dan made. Which is more credible then yours.

    Opinion of Madara Uchiha on who can stop his Perfect Susano'o (The guy who has lived through 3 Hokage reigns)



    Even the current Kages aren nothing in front of him , was this said about Sarutobi?? nope. :





    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    Yes he can.. That man has a arsenal of many justu's we havent seen yet. He was faster and stronger in his prime than what we saw in his battle against oro. Hiruzen in his prime was the perfect shinobi.. He wasnt given the nickname God of Shinobi for no reason. He already showed he was capable of countering everything hashirama has.

    You act like hiruzen hasent mastered medical jutsu himself. he mastered all forms of jutsu including medical..
    Don't make up shit thats not even hinted.....
     
         
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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

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    Never changed his mind he had this story from the beginning do you think he said hey hey I got an idea let me make a nine tails fox attack the village and make up a reason later on -_- I have scans which prove most of this stuff was thoughtout from part 1. Do you think he said haha let me just give this guy one sharingan and see where this goes -_-

    -_- wreck them more then he already did. -_- did hiruzen not have a funereal while orochimaru was a live in part 2 and still walking now.

    Did hiruzen even beat the 1st and 2nd or did he say there is no other way and used a suicide tech

    I repeat, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.

    No point in making a long paragraph bacause it still doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen was holding his own against 3 powerful opponents and in the end defeated the 1st and 2nd hokage, and almost Oro. Not sure what your definition of "Defeated" is, but if he chased Oro out the village, and sealed the hokages forever, I'm sure that's a defeat. Yeah, Oro was walking after that battle, but he was suffering more then Hiruzen, which is a win on Hiruzens part. When I said he made crap up along the way, I didn't mean the nine tails attack, nor the sharingan, I was talking about Hashi and his powers. Plus, half that power isn't even what Hashi could do I bet, only reason that Madara could make all that is because he's edo, and has unlimited Chakra.
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    I think some people need to go read the manga again
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by Lrrrrr View Post
    No point in making a long paragraph bacause it still doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen was holding his own against 3 powerful opponents and in the end defeated the 1st and 2nd hokage, and almost Oro. Not sure what your definition of "Defeated" is, but if he chased Oro out the village, and sealed the hokages forever, I'm sure that's a defeat. Yeah, Oro was walking after that battle, but he was suffering more then Hiruzen, which is a win on Hiruzens part. When I said he made crap up along the way, I didn't mean the nine tails attack, nor the sharingan, I was talking about Hashi and his powers. Plus, half that power isn't even what Hashi could do I bet, only reason that Madara could make all that is because he's edo, and has unlimited Chakra.
    You need to learn what defeats means. I stopped there, defeat does not been suicide. He had no hope of beaten them

    He held his own, but is he not hokage? Minato could hold his own as well these people are not fodders of course they will last a bit.
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    You act like hiruzen hasent mastered medical jutsu himself. he mastered all forms of jutsu including medical..
    no, no he hasn't. Just because he knows a 1000 jutsus doesn't make any stronger because by that logic Kakashi must be stronger than everyone. Ohnoki has shown far more feats as an old man and doesn't have to rely on the lame excuse of not being in his prime anymore. So how come Hiruzen has to?
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    Yes he can.. That man has a arsenal of many justu's we havent seen yet. He was faster and stronger in his prime than what we saw in his battle against oro. Hiruzen in his prime was the perfect shinobi.. He wasnt given the nickname God of Shinobi for no reason. He already showed he was capable of countering everything hashirama has.

    You act like hiruzen hasent mastered medical jutsu himself. he mastered all forms of jutsu including medical..
    Come on man look at oonoki he would rape hiruzen they are about the same age give or take .. What hiruzen showed was disappointing and blaming it on age ? Please hiruzen got the god of shinobi for knowing all those and he mastered all form .. I can say so did hashirama clan hype - if you think hiruzen beats hashirama in med jutsu then I have nothing to say.. Hiruzen could have used these med jutsu or other sealing techs if he mastered it all
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

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    1. No I am using the manga hashirama is a senju known for their chakra...
    2. That doesn't mean he can use them all ..
    3. They were punching and kicking same as screaming catch me .. No they weren't invisible long ranged hiruzen wouldn't have been able to do anything .. He only got them because they were so close
    5. Compare it to madaras then talk .. If hashirama is on par or greater than madaras mokuton then the mokuton he used there was weak and limited to as big as a roof only since the barrier was up
    1. And hiruzen is known for having enourmous and immense chakra levels too. So you cant say who has more.

    2.yes it does.. its already been proven.


    3. What are you talking about???

    4. madara and hashirama's mokuton is on the same level. And it was restricted to the barrier but it was still great enough to fill the entire barrier. Dont try to downplay his greatest technique to make him seem weaker as a edo.
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

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    No one relevant said that, yet edo madara you know the guy who looks like he could singly handedly fight the alliance said much much more about hashi.

    Also hiruzen gave up before hashi and tobi could even break a sweat
    SOO, only people who are OP should have their words taking as fact... the whole manga would be ruined if we followed your logic. Madara never said hashirama was the strongest hokage. Nowhere in shuppuden is it said that hashirama is the strongest hokage, yet in pt 1 it is quoted many times that hiruzen is the strongest shinobi to ever live, that he is the strongest hokage konoha ever produced, and that he was the strongest kage during his reign. All of these statement refer to him in his prime. Not the old guy you keep restricting him to.
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    1. And hiruzen is known for having enourmous and immense chakra levels too. So you cant say who has more.

    2.yes it does.. its already been proven.


    3. What are you talking about???

    4. madara and hashirama's mokuton is on the same level. And it was restricted to the barrier but it was still great enough to fill the entire barrier. Dont try to downplay his greatest technique to make him seem weaker as a edo.
    2. No he can't... He does not have Mokuton. He cannot use FTG. He doesn't have tsunade's regeneration. He doesn't have a sharingan to use Amaterasu, Susano'o. All of those are hidden leaf Jutsus.
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hidden Shinobi View Post
    You need to learn what defeats means. I stopped there, defeat does not been suicide. He had no hope of beaten them

    He held his own, but is he not hokage? Minato could hold his own as well these people are not fodders of course they will last a bit.
    You stopped there? Why? Because you know I'm right, and you're relying on what Madara is saying. Hmm... Let's see, Hiruzen was showed defeating Hashi and his brother (Yes, he defeated them because they couldn't do anything anymore, they were sealed, end of that) vs. Madara saying only Hashi can beat him w/o having any proof of that. Hmmm.. Wonder what's more reliable Face it, Hiruzen owned Hashi and Tobirama, and is the strongest Hokage to ever exist.
     
         

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    Re: LOLL Kishimoto proves Sarutobi's hype wrong, LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    1. And hiruzen is known for having enourmous and immense chakra levels too. So you cant say who has more.

    2.yes it does.. its already been proven.


    3. What are you talking about???

    4. madara and hashirama's mokuton is on the same level. And it was restricted to the barrier but it was still great enough to fill the entire barrier. Dont try to downplay his greatest technique to make him seem weaker as a edo.
    1. ... You're saying hiruzen has more chakra or on par with hashirama ? That's like comparing Kakashi and tsunade dude
    2. Sorry about that ( why didn't he use a couple of jutsu to stop them. Without killing himself if he had so many?
    3 . They came short range after he went blind why didn't they stay long range and kill him? It states they were only toying with him and it was orochimarus mistake to do so if he wanted he could have killed him he realised to late.. Logical thing to do would be blind him - go long range and spam techs and chuck Kunais seeing as how when hiruzen got punched he was abit puzzled I'd Say chances are he would have died

    4. The tech he used was on a smaller scale .. I didn't see 80% of what he could apparently do with mokuton in that fight ..he was limited to what he could do because Orochimaru was stupid to try toy with hiruzen .. If they fought again hiruzen would die fast .. Without all the toying around and talking ... All the things they used against him didn't really show any killing intent or wasn't enough to kill him ( Orochimaru wanted to beat hiruzen physiologically )
     
         

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