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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

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    First, he was fighting his father in a desert. Konoha is not a desert. It's constituated of wood and rocks.
    Secondly, he said it doesn't take him any effort, not "time". It does take him time to create his sand.

    You're the one overestimating Gaara if you think he can take the leaf alone. Suiton and raiton users alone would finish Gaara. Gaara has no answer for a Anbu combo like the one i presented in my previous post. Gaara is alone, you really think he can do something when he is outnumbered? If he does one move, the opponents will be doing thousand moves. How does Gaara survive that?

    Sorry, but the way i see it, ninjas like Kakashi or Gai are sure to solo him. Kakashi with his lightning or water release pretty much nullify or go thru his sand easily. Add kamui, and Gaara will end the fight without head on his shoulders. Gai's Hirudora was even powerful enough to destroy Madara's huge Susanoo and send him fly away, so he would also defeat Gaara. Tsunade has also a great chance to solo. It's not with sand that Gaara could kill her since she is pretty much immortal. Even cut apart, we have seen she can survive. So sooner or later, Gaara will get killed since he has no answer for Tsunade's punches who can even destroy Susanoos.

    Stop overestimating Gaara. He is not doing a shit in the village. The most he would do is probably killing civilians or fodders and that's even if we talk about a surprise attack
    I was certain that we were talking about a suprise attack.. And more than just civilians and fodder would die if gaara ambushed the village.. And to say it take time for gaar to create or spam large bodies of sand is also to takes time for hashirama or madara to use mokuton at a large scale.. It does not take time at all.. It only takes a hand seal.



    And after he made the hand seal this happend.



    Once that happend gaara has officially turn the hidden leaf terrain to the hidde sand villages's. So his power increases drascically.. If this was to happen via suprise attack, there is very little chance for the leaf village. We all saw how much panic the village was in when pain destroyed it with Shinra Tensei, the same applys with gaara. Many will be killed and the ones who arnt killed will try to help evacuate.

    Now there are a few who will fight, via kakashi, guy, tsunade, and other jonin. But agaisnt a flying gaara that is pretter much pointless. Gaara's ability to attack from the sky and the ground simulataneously will prove a problem for them. especially if he turn the whole terrain to sand, then they will all be walking on his turf.. Might guy, kakashi, tusnade, ino-shika-choji, or any jonin form hidden leaf cant fly other than sai, who wont stand any chance against gaara. And if they do travel on sia's birds this will most likely happen to them all.




    Im not saying gaara is unbeatable or even that the leaf cant beat him.. If they are waiting for the attack or have prepared for it then gaara is going down mid to high diff.. But is he suprise attacks them, them it puts the leaf at a HUGE disadvantage.
     
         
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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

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    1. He can create huge amounts of sand in no time, check were he made a sand avalanche against kimimaro in a grassy area.
    2. He can seal tsunade + her punches won't do any harm to Gaara, even kimimaro could not break Gaara's defense with his strongest bone while using curse mark level 2. Even orochimaro said that the bones cannot be destroyed yet Gaara did it.
    3. Hirudora is not breaking Gaara's defense because Gaara was able to block a C3 which is like 10 time stronger than hirudora without the defense getting damaged.
    4. Gaara's defense is greater and stronger than susanoo, Gaara survived under madara's meteors but madara's susanoo was destroyed by the meteors.
    5. Kamui, really? Do you think kakashi can target Gaara when sand is coming from every angle and with sand in his eyes?
    6. Water and lightning are not Gaara's weaknesses. Gaara was able to put sand in the mizukages water dragon, yet he controlled it with ease and he was able to block a v2 guillotine drop by raikage with little amount of sand.
    1) he can create lots of sand, but his control over it is slower and less stable than the sand in his gourd.
    2)orochimaru said his bones were virtually indestructible because of how dense he could make them, making regular taijutsu useless against him. He didn't say they couldn't be broken.
    3) you know how much sand Gaara used to block that bomb? He took sand from the desert outside the village to block it. He doesnt have that much nd here, even if he could convert the ground into sand like before. Hirudoras explosion is on a much wider scale than c3
    4)that is actually up for debate and I have proven its defensive capabilities and offensive abilities against other absolute defenses in the manga.
    5) do you honestly thnk that Kakashi is the only person to worry about? There are plenty of clans in the village who are also capable of fighting.
    6) it was never said that he could control it with ease in water. Gaaras sand is weak to piercing lightning techniques like raikiri.
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by fastrthnwind View Post
    1) he can create lots of sand, but his control over it is slower and less stable than the sand in his gourd.
    2)orochimaru said his bones were virtually indestructible because of how dense he could make them, making regular taijutsu useless against him. He didn't say they couldn't be broken.
    3) you know how much sand Gaara used to block that bomb? He took sand from the desert outside the village to block it. He doesnt have that much nd here, even if he could convert the ground into sand like before. Hirudoras explosion is on a much wider scale than c3
    4)that is actually up for debate and I have proven its defensive capabilities and offensive abilities against other absolute defenses in the manga.
    5) do you honestly thnk that Kakashi is the only person to worry about? There are plenty of clans in the village who are also capable of fighting.
    6) it was never said that he could control it with ease in water. Gaaras sand is weak to piercing lightning techniques like raikiri.
    2. Saying something is vertually indestructable is the same as saying it cant be broken.. People say wolverines adamantium skeleton is vertually indestructable, which also is implying that they cant be broken.

    3. Im sure gaara wouldnt even have to worry about hirudora, seening how guy only uses that attack as a last resort. but even if guy did decide to use it. gaara could surrond himself in the ultimate defence which cant be broken and be fine.



    4. there are only a select few threats to gaara. Tsunade, kakashi, gai, and shikamaru and shikaku. Everyone else is fodder to gaara
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by fastrthnwind View Post
    1) he can create lots of sand, but his control over it is slower and less stable than the sand in his gourd.
    2)orochimaru said his bones were virtually indestructible because of how dense he could make them, making regular taijutsu useless against him. He didn't say they couldn't be broken.
    3) you know how much sand Gaara used to block that bomb? He took sand from the desert outside the village to block it. He doesnt have that much nd here, even if he could convert the ground into sand like before. Hirudoras explosion is on a much wider scale than c3
    4)that is actually up for debate and I have proven its defensive capabilities and offensive abilities against other absolute defenses in the manga.
    5) do you honestly thnk that Kakashi is the only person to worry about? There are plenty of clans in the village who are also capable of fighting.
    6) it was never said that he could control it with ease in water. Gaaras sand is weak to piercing lightning techniques like raikiri.
    3. C3 is able to destroy a whole village and is even stronger than C0 which has a radius of 10km while guy's biggest hirudora against kisame could not even destroy that island turtle which is not as big as a village.
    5. Sand hail takes care of kakashi, he will be thinking of how to to escape major injuries rather than attacking Gaara.
    6. But it has been shown that he controls it with no difficulties at all. You need to gather a lot of speed before you can even just injure Gaara a little on his shoulder and Gaara will be flying sky high so no worries.
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    2. Saying something is vertually indestructable is the same as saying it cant be broken.. People say wolverines adamantium skeleton is vertually indestructable, which also is implying that they cant be broken.

    3. Im sure gaara wouldnt even have to worry about hirudora, seening how guy only uses that attack as a last resort. but even if guy did decide to use it. gaara could surrond himself in the ultimate defence which cant be broken and be fine.



    4. there are only a select few threats to gaara. Tsunade, kakashi, gai, and shikamaru and shikaku. Everyone else is fodder to gaara
    2) it is considered virtually indestructible because there is no known natural way of breaking it. Wolverines bones coated wuth adamantium metal which is considered virtually indestructible because there is no other natural way to break it. However, it is still susceptible to magnetos magnetic power, rendering wolverine vulnerable against his techniques.

    Kimmis bones are stronger than any living bones which is why using regular taijutsu is fruitless against him because the wont break anything. I'm certain that using other forms of taijutsu, like jyuuken or the gates, which are unnatural forms of taijutsu would prove more useful than regular taijutsu.

    3)then Kakashi comes in with a raikiri and plows straight through it or uses lighting chain to cut it in half.

    4) you have inuzuka s who could use their drilling taijutsu techniques against him, the akimichis who use super strength and their size to crush his sand, the hyuugas who can use their jyuuken to disable his sand armor, naras to immobilize him, yamanakas to get into his mind, aburames to eat through the sand. I think he would have some MAJOR problems against this village
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Gaara get's fodderized by half of leaf
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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    well, if he prepare yes he can, even kakashi or gai can't stop him
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by Narutofan4203 View Post
    Gaara get's fodderized by half of leaf
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    you mean gaara fodderizes half the leaf.
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    hahahahaha he would be killed easy
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Gaara

    - The one who was made kazekage at the age 15
    - The one who was made regimental comander over entire allied forces (over Kakashi)
    - The one who Defeated 3 previous kages back-to-back
    - The one who would have been responsible for Edo EMS madara's defeat.
    - The one who was proclaimed the Gold Egg of the Kage
    - Whose KKG is just as unique as Hashirama's Mokuton

    And you people say he would lose to Kakashi.. SMH
    Saying Kakashi can beat Gaara is like saying The White Fang could beat Hashirama.. Just not happening.
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by fastrthnwind View Post
    2) it is considered virtually indestructible because there is no known natural way of breaking it. Wolverines bones coated wuth adamantium metal which is considered virtually indestructible because there is no other natural way to break it. However, it is still susceptible to magnetos magnetic power, rendering wolverine vulnerable against his techniques.

    Kimmis bones are stronger than any living bones which is why using regular taijutsu is fruitless against him because the wont break anything. I'm certain that using other forms of taijutsu, like jyuuken or the gates, which are unnatural forms of taijutsu would prove more useful than regular taijutsu.

    3)then Kakashi comes in with a raikiri and plows straight through it or uses lighting chain to cut it in half.

    4) you have inuzuka s who could use their drilling taijutsu techniques against him, the akimichis who use super strength and their size to crush his sand, the hyuugas who can use their jyuuken to disable his sand armor, naras to immobilize him, yamanakas to get into his mind, aburames to eat through the sand. I think he would have some MAJOR problems against this village
    Imobilising him is of no use as he only needs his mind to control the sand, he can block other attacks as well and do not forget that he can sink all of them in to the ground and crush them or let them suffocate.
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hafiz Dembos View Post
    Imobilising him is of no use as he only needs his mind to control the sand, he can block other attacks as well and do not forget that he can sink all of them in to the ground and crush them or let them suffocate.
    He does actually use his hands and body to control the sand. Remember how even shikamaru saved lee from being killed by Immobilising him with his shadow jutsu.

    Tblocking against all of their attacks is going to be very difficult especially when you have oversized akimichis who would require a village full of sand to stop, Aburame buys who will be eating away at it and inuzukas who will be drilling against it.
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by MickNerks View Post
    Gaara
    - The one who was made kazekage at the age 15
    Yet he got defeated by Deidara in his own desert, a Deidara not even trying to kill him
    - The one who was made regimental comander over entire allied forces (over Kakashi)
    He was a kage after all. How would it sound if we see a jounin leading a Kage leader? Onoki wasn't a comander, but judging by what he did against Madara, it's obvious he is the strongest current kage. So title means nothing
    - The one who Defeated 3 previous kages back-to-back
    Which 3kages did he defeated? Which manga were you reading? I noticed he fought his father, who decided to go on his own, and also 2nd Mizukage, who he defeated, but only with an entire army behind him to help him, plus another kage(Onoki) and even Naruto's KM clone. Sandaime Raikage was defeated by Naruto's clone, and Muu wasn't even defeated. So who are the 3kages Gaara defeated? Is it in Gaara shippuden?
    - The one who would have been responsible for Edo EMS madara's defeat.
    Really? Edo Madara was defeated? This sentence pretty much says it all. You are a Gaara fanboy, no doubt. I now understand why you overrate him this much
    And you people say he would lose to Kakashi.. SMH
    Saying Kakashi can beat Gaara is like saying The White Fang could beat Hashirama.. Just not happening.
    Yes i believe he beats Gaara. And with current feats, i'm even sure he takes this mid difficulty at most
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Yet he got defeated by Deidara in his own desert, a Deidara not even trying to kill him
    He was a kage after all. How would it sound if we see a jounin leading a Kage leader? Onoki wasn't a comander, but judging by what he did against Madara, it's obvious he is the strongest current kage. So title means nothing

    Which 3kages did he defeated? Which manga were you reading? I noticed he fought his father, who decided to go on his own, and also 2nd Mizukage, who he defeated, but only with an entire army behind him to help him, plus another kage(Onoki) and even Naruto's KM clone. Sandaime Raikage was defeated by Naruto's clone, and Muu wasn't even defeated. So who are the 3kages Gaara defeated? Is it in Gaara shippuden?
    Really? Edo Madara was defeated? This sentence pretty much says it all. You are a Gaara fanboy, no doubt. I now understand why you overrate him this much

    Yes i believe he beats Gaara. And with current feats, i'm even sure he takes this mid difficulty at most
    It is no use arguing with you man, moving on.
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hafiz Dembos View Post
    It is no use arguing with you man, moving on.
    Stating facts hurts your personal feelings concerning Gaara?
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by fastrthnwind View Post
    He does actually use his hands and body to control the sand. Remember how even shikamaru saved lee from being killed by Immobilising him with his shadow jutsu.

    Tblocking against all of their attacks is going to be very difficult especially when you have oversized akimichis who would require a village full of sand to stop, Aburame buys who will be eating away at it and inuzukas who will be drilling against it.
    Remember, he was able to block five legged susanoo swords while saving another kage using ordinary desert sand which is not as powerful as his gourd sand. His sand could be said to be harder than steel and diamond hard since he is able to incorporate the hardest earth minerals(diamond, gold, iron) into his sand, so no drilling or insects will work and as for the akimichi, there attacks are formidable only when they use that butterfly thing and only choji can use it very well but Gaara can immobilize him and sink him and he could also block choji's punch or rolling using a similar defense mentioned above, by the way even if Gaara wins it will be with high difficulty and non of the konoha guys including guy, kakashi and tsunade can take on Gaara alone but their number counts.
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Stating facts hurts your personal feelings concerning Gaara?
    No, although you have changed your avatar, you are still "Bogard" by the way please tell me how old you are, pretty pleeeaaase.
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hafiz Dembos View Post
    No, although you have changed your avatar, you are still "Bogard" by the way please tell me how old you are, pretty pleeeaaase.
    I don't know what my avatar or my age has to do with it. We're only arguing, but it seems you have no counter arguments, or simply you like Gaara too much that it hurts you when someone proves you that Gaara is far from being the best, and because you have no counter arguments or simply can't argue(since they are facts), you change the discussion into asking my age as if it would be usefull in the debate
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

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    Remember, he was able to block five legged susanoo swords while saving another kage using ordinary desert sand which is not as powerful as his gourd sand. His sand could be said to be harder than steel and diamond hard since he is able to incorporate the hardest earth minerals(diamond, gold, iron) into his sand, so no drilling or insects will work and as for the akimichi, there attacks are formidable only when they use that butterfly thing and only choji can use it very well but Gaara can immobilize him and sink him and he could also block choji's punch or rolling using a similar defense mentioned above, by the way even if Gaara wins it will be with high difficulty and non of the konoha guys including guy, kakashi and tsunade can take on Gaara alone but their number counts.
    Yes he was able to block some swords from susanoo. Then they combined their efforts and smacked him off his sand cloud. I t can't be said to be harder than diamond because it isn't made of diamond, its made of the hardest minerals compacted, but drills are used to cut through the ground in the first place. The bugs will be absorbing the chakra out of the sand so that it eventually falls away out of gaaras control.

    The amount of sand needed to completely immobilize an akimichis of chouji/chouzas size would be almost equal to the amount of sand use to block the c3 bomb and there is two of them. Gaaras sand defense is good, but it will be crushed underneath the incredible mass and force of choujis/chouzas punch unless all of the sand is used to defend against it. There is no debating against this. This is an unstoppable force vs a very moveable and malleable object. The only exception is the gedo mazou which would an immovable object.

    And sinking a several hundred foot tall person into the ground. That will take all of his concentration to do against one.

    I can clearly say that chouji/chouza could solo with their size. Gai could solo with his speed/strength Kakashi could solo with his lightning techniques and Kamui, which there is no defense against.
     
         

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    Re: If Gaara attacked the leaf village!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    I don't know what my avatar or my age has to do with it. We're only arguing, but it seems you have no counter arguments, or simply you like Gaara too much that it hurts you when someone proves you that Gaara is far from being the best, and because you have no counter arguments or simply can't argue(since they are facts), you change the discussion into asking my age as if it would be usefull in the debate
    Okay, Kakashi, tsunade and guy, non of them can defeat Gaara one on one. Tsunade can be sealed easily, Kakashi can be beaten as well, only guy can pose a threat but he will lose at last. And have you forgotten that Gaara can make many clones that can even regenerate and can do jutsus just like Gaara, so he uses them to counter their number and considering that one of them can use many jutsus simultaneously about ten of them then with the real Gaara will spell out D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R for the ninjas of konoha. And PLEASE how old are you ?
     
         

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