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    Re: Chiyo vs Zabuza

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunagura View Post
    if you have S ranks justu doesn't mean it stronger, it difficult. if you talk about rank chiyo have S rank just and zabuza have nonn. does that mean chiyo win automatic?

    and the water jutsu tok so long to make it tok 47 hand seals and he will be dead before he even finish that.
    Actually Giant Vortex Jutsu has 18 handseals (Water Dragon Jutsu has 44), and if he's hidden in the mist, he has plenty of times to make those seals, and please write proper, it's irritating to read. *took
     
         

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    Re: Chiyo vs Zabuza

    Quote Originally Posted by Piratefish View Post
    Yeah, he'll start out with Water Clones for sure, but we don't KNOW that those posess information transfer abilities. If they do, he may have a shot. He might even have a better chance if he dispells the mist (puppets don't exactly react like regular people when faced with gigantic swords to the jugular), and he can instead focus on grinding them (and the granny) to paste.

    I do believe Chiyo will win, but it's also entirely possible she'll assume she's killed Zabuza after giving him enough punishment to take down a NORMAL ninja. Silly Chiyo! Don't you know RIDICULOUS amounts of OVERKILL is the only way to take down Zabuza?


    But yeah, you were able to change your mind in a matchup involving your favorite character? That's really ****ing rare around here. Creds go to you.
    That's true, however knowing his incredible sensing abilities with sound, he should be able to sense other presense's, in other words, sense more than 1 person/thing in the area, giving him an idea that somethings up. Plus Chiyo was famous, so he'd probably already know that they are puppets. So with that being said it is possible Zabuza has a shot, actually a good chance, but Chiyo would win more times out of ten than Zabuza.

    Haha yeah, it's rare I change my mind because most people on here can't use logic in their explanations, like I made a thread Zabuza vs Darui and people told me Darui would win because he could "just use Black Panther through the mist", even though with mist, the water molecules are to spread out to allow things to be conducted into it, and when Kakashi and Ameyuri Ringo used lightning in the mist, none of it got conducted.

    Maybe I am being too logical with that haha but yea, who do you think would win, Zabuza or Darui?
     
         

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    Re: Chiyo vs Zabuza

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    That's true, however knowing his incredible sensing abilities with sound, he should be able to sense other presense's, in other words, sense more than 1 person/thing in the area, giving him an idea that somethings up. Plus Chiyo was famous, so he'd probably already know that they are puppets. So with that being said it is possible Zabuza has a shot, actually a good chance, but Chiyo would win more times out of ten than Zabuza.

    Haha yeah, it's rare I change my mind because most people on here can't use logic in their explanations, like I made a thread Zabuza vs Darui and people told me Darui would win because he could "just use Black Panther through the mist", even though with mist, the water molecules are to spread out to allow things to be conducted into it, and when Kakashi and Ameyuri Ringo used lightning in the mist, none of it got conducted.

    Maybe I am being too logical with that haha but yea, who do you think would win, Zabuza or Darui?
    I'd say Darui, on the basis of him being:

    Roughly level with Zabuza in kenjutsu: He outmatched Suigetsu without trouble, and is capable of Lightning Transmission, presumably allowing him to destroy the Kubikiri Hocho if they fenced long enough,

    Not too far behind in Suiton, if at all, as he can create offensive/defensive (it was a standard Wall, right?) techniques of a decent size while at the same time creating a Raiton tech, implying him able to use far more complex ones if he devotes his entire concentration,

    And far ahead in Raiton. This is pretty clear. He can enhance his kenjutsu, Suiton and presumably ninja-tools (kunai, shruiken, whatnot) with it, and that seems to be his main usage of the field. Also, Black Lightning Techniques, like the Black Panther, can be used to match or even overpower Zabuza's large-scale Suiton,

    Pretty decent with Ranton, which grants him the ability to not HAVE TO overpower or match Zabuza in the field of large-scale Suiton but rather use precision to flow around them. Ranton, possibly, could grant him the ability to shock things through the mist (far from certain, but as it's a mix of water and lightning it seems POSSIBLE) and could concievably grant him other means of dealing with it. My own on-the-spot invention, the Ranton: Lazer Carnival which is just a spiraling Lazer Circus in every direction, would shock Zabuza presumably enough to find him in the mist, or if not offer enough sound to locate him (lightning-water hitting flesh makes a different sound than it not hitting anything). Presumably Darui would know an all-direction Ranton, is what I'm trying to say.

    Only real problem is the mist, but using something similar to the (non-canon, but likely) Ranton tech I outlined, or simply using the water in the air to power a large-scale Suiton SHOULD allow him to deal with it without much trouble. Darui seems both too canny and too capable to succumb to the Kirigakure no Jutsu.

    So, roughly mid diff, may be both high or low, depending on a number of factors.

    Do you agree?
     
         

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    Re: Chiyo vs Zabuza

    Quote Originally Posted by Piratefish View Post
    I'd say Darui, on the basis of him being:

    Roughly level with Zabuza in kenjutsu: He outmatched Suigetsu without trouble, and is capable of Lightning Transmission, presumably allowing him to destroy the Kubikiri Hocho if they fenced long enough,

    Not too far behind in Suiton, if at all, as he can create offensive/defensive (it was a standard Wall, right?) techniques of a decent size while at the same time creating a Raiton tech, implying him able to use far more complex ones if he devotes his entire concentration,

    And far ahead in Raiton. This is pretty clear. He can enhance his kenjutsu, Suiton and presumably ninja-tools (kunai, shruiken, whatnot) with it, and that seems to be his main usage of the field. Also, Black Lightning Techniques, like the Black Panther, can be used to match or even overpower Zabuza's large-scale Suiton,

    Pretty decent with Ranton, which grants him the ability to not HAVE TO overpower or match Zabuza in the field of large-scale Suiton but rather use precision to flow around them. Ranton, possibly, could grant him the ability to shock things through the mist (far from certain, but as it's a mix of water and lightning it seems POSSIBLE) and could concievably grant him other means of dealing with it. My own on-the-spot invention, the Ranton: Lazer Carnival which is just a spiraling Lazer Circus in every direction, would shock Zabuza presumably enough to find him in the mist, or if not offer enough sound to locate him (lightning-water hitting flesh makes a different sound than it not hitting anything). Presumably Darui would know an all-direction Ranton, is what I'm trying to say.

    Only real problem is the mist, but using something similar to the (non-canon, but likely) Ranton tech I outlined, or simply using the water in the air to power a large-scale Suiton SHOULD allow him to deal with it without much trouble. Darui seems both too canny and too capable to succumb to the Kirigakure no Jutsu.

    So, roughly mid diff, may be both high or low, depending on a number of factors.

    Do you agree?
    This is what I believe:

    1. I think Zabuza's taijutsu/kenjutsu is better than Darui's, the only reason why Darui beat out Suigetsu is because Suigetsu turned himself into water when being hit, which then he got electricuted and numb because of Darui's channeled lightning. Zabuza is a legendary swordsman, I would say Darui's a decent-pretty good kenjutsu user who could hold his own for a decent amount of time if they engaged. I don't think Darui would cut all the way through the Executioner blade because when Sasuke used his lightning enhanced blade on the Executioner blade while Killer B was wielding it, it only cut through a little and then it took the Raikage's power to snap it. Even if Darui did cut through it, since Zabuza is more skilled, he can probably draw a little blood from Darui and rebuild the blade. I found this, http://www.*****************/showthread.php?t=833335

    2. Laser Circus is a move where the user can bend the direction the lasers move in, however it requires accuracy to do so to hit the target, so if Darui can't find Zabuza then he can't aim to hit him. Even if Darui randomly aimed his lasers around the area, the chances of one of them hitting Zabuza is very low and if one was coming Zabuza's way, just like Kakashi sensed and saw the shuriken Zabuza threw at him, Zabuza could just jump out of the way because it's not a barrage of them like there were against the Gold and Silver brothers.

    3. Darui's suiton isn't comparable to Zabuza's, true he can create a wall with it(Water Wall), but that can only lead Zabuza to use a Water Clone with it, which Darui would then channel lightning through the water just like he did against sasuke and destroy the clone, which would lower his guard because he would think he defeated Zabuza (clone feint) and allow Zabuza to sneak up behind him and then, just like Kakashi, be kicked into the water and then be caught in a Water Prison. If a 3 tomoe Kakashi couldn't keep up, then Darui roughly around the same level but without sensing abilities and a Sharingan definetly can't.

    4. If Darui were to channel lightning threw Zabuza's Water Dragon or Giant Vortex Jutsu, it would only lead Darui to getting even more damaged and the most, slightly hinder Zabuza because if Zabuza used Water Dragon or Giant Vortex Jutsu, it wouldn't stop the technique, it would go through it (channel lightning into it) which would enhance it, making the force even greater when coming at Darui and flow all the way back to Zabuza, and since both are long range techs, that would give Zabuza enough time to jump out of the water, seeing the lightning travel through it, and protect himself. So that would be an invalid argument because not only would Darui be physically damaged by the water, but electrocuted by Black Lightning, putting him on the verge of death.

    Basically since Darui doesn't have sensing abilities, I doubt he can pull off beating Zabuza if Kakashi with Sharingan and his dogs to sense and react barely could.

    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=273510 for more reasoning, you have some good points, but I still think Zabuza has a higher chance.
     
         
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    Re: Chiyo vs Zabuza

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    This is what I believe:

    1. I think Zabuza's taijutsu/kenjutsu is better than Darui's, the only reason why Darui beat out Suigetsu is because Suigetsu turned himself into water when being hit, which then he got electricuted and numb because of Darui's channeled lightning. Zabuza is a legendary swordsman, I would say Darui's a decent-pretty good kenjutsu user who could hold his own for a decent amount of time if they engaged. I don't think Darui would cut all the way through the Executioner blade because when Sasuke used his lightning enhanced blade on the Executioner blade while Killer B was wielding it, it only cut through a little and then it took the Raikage's power to snap it. Even if Darui did cut through it, since Zabuza is more skilled, he can probably draw a little blood from Darui and rebuild the blade. I found this, http://www.*****************/showthread.php?t=833335

    2. Laser Circus is a move where the user can bend the direction the lasers move in, however it requires accuracy to do so to hit the target, so if Darui can't find Zabuza then he can't aim to hit him. Even if Darui randomly aimed his lasers around the area, the chances of one of them hitting Zabuza is very low and if one was coming Zabuza's way, just like Kakashi sensed and saw the shuriken Zabuza threw at him, Zabuza could just jump out of the way because it's not a barrage of them like there were against the Gold and Silver brothers.

    3. Darui's suiton isn't comparable to Zabuza's, true he can create a wall with it(Water Wall), but that can only lead Zabuza to use a Water Clone with it, which Darui would then channel lightning through the water just like he did against sasuke and destroy the clone, which would lower his guard because he would think he defeated Zabuza (clone feint) and allow Zabuza to sneak up behind him and then, just like Kakashi, be kicked into the water and then be caught in a Water Prison. If a 3 tomoe Kakashi couldn't keep up, then Darui roughly around the same level but without sensing abilities and a Sharingan definetly can't.

    4. If Darui were to channel lightning threw Zabuza's Water Dragon or Giant Vortex Jutsu, it would only lead Darui to getting even more damaged and the most, slightly hinder Zabuza because if Zabuza used Water Dragon or Giant Vortex Jutsu, it wouldn't stop the technique, it would go through it (channel lightning into it) which would enhance it, making the force even greater when coming at Darui and flow all the way back to Zabuza, and since both are long range techs, that would give Zabuza enough time to jump out of the water, seeing the lightning travel through it, and protect himself. So that would be an invalid argument because not only would Darui be physically damaged by the water, but electrocuted by Black Lightning, putting him on the verge of death.

    Basically since Darui doesn't have sensing abilities, I doubt he can pull off beating Zabuza if Kakashi with Sharingan and his dogs to sense and react barely could.

    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=273510 for more reasoning, you have some good points, but I still think Zabuza has a higher chance.
    We should argue about this in a different thread, IS there a Darui vs Zabuza one? Rest assured, however, that I'm very keen on arguing about this.
     
         

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    Re: Chiyo vs Zabuza

    Quote Originally Posted by Piratefish View Post
    We should argue about this in a different thread, IS there a Darui vs Zabuza one? Rest assured, however, that I'm very keen on arguing about this.
    Yea didn't you click that link? the one where i said "for more reasoning" its my thread Darui vs Zabuza
     
         

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    Re: Chiyo vs Zabuza

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    Yea didn't you click that link? the one where i said "for more reasoning" its my thread Darui vs Zabuza
    Well, I did, but I don't have an account there.
     
         

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    Re: Chiyo vs Zabuza

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    Well, I did, but I don't have an account there.
    No my last link
     
         

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    Re: Chiyo vs Zabuza

    Okay, let's see.
    [QUOTE=ShaneEyyy;9194413]This is what I believe:

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    1. I think Zabuza's taijutsu/kenjutsu is better than Darui's, the only reason why Darui beat out Suigetsu is because Suigetsu turned himself into water when being hit, which then he got electricuted and numb because of Darui's channeled lightning. Zabuza is a legendary swordsman, I would say Darui's a decent-pretty good kenjutsu user who could hold his own for a decent amount of time if they engaged. I don't think Darui would cut all the way through the Executioner blade because when Sasuke used his lightning enhanced blade on the Executioner blade while Killer B was wielding it, it only cut through a little and then it took the Raikage's power to snap it. Even if Darui did cut through it, since Zabuza is more skilled, he can probably draw a little blood from Darui and rebuild the blade. I found this, http://www.*****************/showthread.php?t=833335
    Darui's not BETTER at kenjutsu, that's for sure. However, he does have an advantage in an extended engagement, if he doesn't bleed heavily on his opponent's blade, as even if his Lightning-Current is inferior to both Sasuke's and his power is inferior to the Raikage's he'll damage his opponent's sword with every strike. After a while it'll be harder and harder for Zabuza to land a hit as his blade gets progressively weaker and smaller.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    2. Laser Circus is a move where the user can bend the direction the lasers move in, however it requires accuracy to do so to hit the target, so if Darui can't find Zabuza then he can't aim to hit him. Even if Darui randomly aimed his lasers around the area, the chances of one of them hitting Zabuza is very low and if one was coming Zabuza's way, just like Kakashi sensed and saw the shuriken Zabuza threw at him, Zabuza could just jump out of the way because it's not a barrage of them like there were against the Gold and Silver brothers.
    Within the mist there's no given that Zabuza could dodge Ranton moves, they're superior to shruiken and Zabuza doesn't have Kakashi's senses or Sharingan reflexes (he trusts his opponents to make noise while HE doesn't for his Silent Killing). I figure Darui could aim the Ranton in a spiral (to maximize area coverage) and have a decent chance of hitting Zabuza or at least a clone. If he's close/moving in for the kill (and when isn't Zabuza doing THAT) he'll have a hard time dodging as Darui can follow him with the lazers if he hears anything and they're moving in the same direction (away from Darui) anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    3. Darui's suiton isn't comparable to Zabuza's, true he can create a wall with it(Water Wall), but that can only lead Zabuza to use a Water Clone with it, which Darui would then channel lightning through the water just like he did against sasuke and destroy the clone, which would lower his guard because he would think he defeated Zabuza (clone feint) and allow Zabuza to sneak up behind him and then, just like Kakashi, be kicked into the water and then be caught in a Water Prison. If a 3 tomoe Kakashi couldn't keep up, then Darui roughly around the same level but without sensing abilities and a Sharingan definetly can't.
    We've never seen Darui use Suiton to his full ability with it, and though he doesn't specialize in it like Zabuza, or use it as actively in combat, he HAS used decent Water Techs while using another technique at the same time. Which means that if he used all his concentration/power on a single technique, it would be far more powerful than the Water Wall he used. Zabuza probably has the edge, but not massively, and can't really expect to surprise Darui with any of his Suiton as he's both a fairly ordinary Water user and Darui has a similar knowledge-base concerning techniques. Darui is also pretty intelligent, as seen in the KinGin fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    4. If Darui were to channel lightning threw Zabuza's Water Dragon or Giant Vortex Jutsu, it would only lead Darui to getting even more damaged and the most, slightly hinder Zabuza because if Zabuza used Water Dragon or Giant Vortex Jutsu, it wouldn't stop the technique, it would go through it (channel lightning into it) which would enhance it, making the force even greater when coming at Darui and flow all the way back to Zabuza, and since both are long range techs, that would give Zabuza enough time to jump out of the water, seeing the lightning travel through it, and protect himself. So that would be an invalid argument because not only would Darui be physically damaged by the water, but electrocuted by Black Lightning, putting him on the verge of death.
    I think if Black Lightning were used it would end up as a conflict between the strengths of the techniques. However, it IS possible it'll end up as you describe. Black Lightning seems more potent than Zabuza's jutsu though, and we don't have much knowledge of its physical properties. It HASN'T mixed with water BEFORE. Maybe it can't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    Basically since Darui doesn't have sensing abilities, I doubt he can pull off beating Zabuza if Kakashi with Sharingan and his dogs to sense and react barely could.
    He has other options, like using up the moisture in the air with large Suiton. Kakashi didn't actually use his dogs to sense anything, but I agree that his senses are keener than Darui's.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=273510 for more reasoning, you have some good points, but I still think Zabuza has a higher chance.
    Zabuza DOES have a shot at this, but I feel Darui would take it 7 or 8 times out of 10. Maybe 6.
     
         

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    Re: Chiyo vs Zabuza

    Okay, let's see.
    This is what I believe:

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    1. I think Zabuza's taijutsu/kenjutsu is better than Darui's, the only reason why Darui beat out Suigetsu is because Suigetsu turned himself into water when being hit, which then he got electricuted and numb because of Darui's channeled lightning. Zabuza is a legendary swordsman, I would say Darui's a decent-pretty good kenjutsu user who could hold his own for a decent amount of time if they engaged. I don't think Darui would cut all the way through the Executioner blade because when Sasuke used his lightning enhanced blade on the Executioner blade while Killer B was wielding it, it only cut through a little and then it took the Raikage's power to snap it. Even if Darui did cut through it, since Zabuza is more skilled, he can probably draw a little blood from Darui and rebuild the blade. I found this, http://www.*****************/showthread.php?t=833335
    Darui's not BETTER at kenjutsu, that's for sure. However, he does have an advantage in an extended engagement, if he doesn't bleed heavily on his opponent's blade, as even if his Lightning-Current is inferior to both Sasuke's and his power is inferior to the Raikage's he'll damage his opponent's sword with every strike. After a while it'll be harder and harder for Zabuza to land a hit as his blade gets progressively weaker and smaller.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    2. Laser Circus is a move where the user can bend the direction the lasers move in, however it requires accuracy to do so to hit the target, so if Darui can't find Zabuza then he can't aim to hit him. Even if Darui randomly aimed his lasers around the area, the chances of one of them hitting Zabuza is very low and if one was coming Zabuza's way, just like Kakashi sensed and saw the shuriken Zabuza threw at him, Zabuza could just jump out of the way because it's not a barrage of them like there were against the Gold and Silver brothers.
    Within the mist there's no given that Zabuza could dodge Ranton moves, they're superior to shruiken and Zabuza doesn't have Kakashi's senses or Sharingan reflexes (he trusts his opponents to make noise while HE doesn't for his Silent Killing). I figure Darui could aim the Ranton in a spiral (to maximize area coverage) and have a decent chance of hitting Zabuza or at least a clone. If he's close/moving in for the kill (and when isn't Zabuza doing THAT) he'll have a hard time dodging as Darui can follow him with the lazers if he hears anything and they're moving in the same direction (away from Darui) anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    3. Darui's suiton isn't comparable to Zabuza's, true he can create a wall with it(Water Wall), but that can only lead Zabuza to use a Water Clone with it, which Darui would then channel lightning through the water just like he did against sasuke and destroy the clone, which would lower his guard because he would think he defeated Zabuza (clone feint) and allow Zabuza to sneak up behind him and then, just like Kakashi, be kicked into the water and then be caught in a Water Prison. If a 3 tomoe Kakashi couldn't keep up, then Darui roughly around the same level but without sensing abilities and a Sharingan definetly can't.
    We've never seen Darui use Suiton to his full ability with it, and though he doesn't specialize in it like Zabuza, or use it as actively in combat, he HAS used decent Water Techs while using another technique at the same time. Which means that if he used all his concentration/power on a single technique, it would be far more powerful than the Water Wall he used. Zabuza probably has the edge, but not massively, and can't really expect to surprise Darui with any of his Suiton as he's both a fairly ordinary Water user and Darui has a similar knowledge-base concerning techniques. Darui is also pretty intelligent, as seen in the KinGin fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    4. If Darui were to channel lightning threw Zabuza's Water Dragon or Giant Vortex Jutsu, it would only lead Darui to getting even more damaged and the most, slightly hinder Zabuza because if Zabuza used Water Dragon or Giant Vortex Jutsu, it wouldn't stop the technique, it would go through it (channel lightning into it) which would enhance it, making the force even greater when coming at Darui and flow all the way back to Zabuza, and since both are long range techs, that would give Zabuza enough time to jump out of the water, seeing the lightning travel through it, and protect himself. So that would be an invalid argument because not only would Darui be physically damaged by the water, but electrocuted by Black Lightning, putting him on the verge of death.
    I think if Black Lightning were used it would end up as a conflict between the strengths of the techniques. However, it IS possible it'll end up as you describe. Black Lightning seems more potent than Zabuza's jutsu though, and we don't have much knowledge of its physical properties. It HASN'T mixed with water BEFORE. Maybe it can't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    Basically since Darui doesn't have sensing abilities, I doubt he can pull off beating Zabuza if Kakashi with Sharingan and his dogs to sense and react barely could.
    He has other options, like using up the moisture in the air with large Suiton. Kakashi didn't actually use his dogs to sense anything, but I agree that his senses are keener than Darui's.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=273510 for more reasoning, you have some good points, but I still think Zabuza has a higher chance.
    Zabuza DOES have a shot at this, but I feel Darui would take it 7 or 8 times out of 10. Maybe 6.
     
         

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    Re: Chiyo vs Zabuza

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneEyyy View Post
    Actually Giant Vortex Jutsu has 18 handseals (Water Dragon Jutsu has 44), and if he's hidden in the mist, he has plenty of times to make those seals, and please write proper, it's irritating to read. *took
    okay still chiyo have no problem doing that, 16 hans seal is enoung to kill zabuza and there other 7 puppet that wating to kill him any time.
     
         
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    Re: Chiyo vs Zabuza

    [QUOTE=Piratefish;9207766]Okay, let's see.
    This is what I believe:


    Darui's not BETTER at kenjutsu, that's for sure. However, he does have an advantage in an extended engagement, if he doesn't bleed heavily on his opponent's blade, as even if his Lightning-Current is inferior to both Sasuke's and his power is inferior to the Raikage's he'll damage his opponent's sword with every strike. After a while it'll be harder and harder for Zabuza to land a hit as his blade gets progressively weaker and smaller.

    No it won't, the only reason why the Executioner Blade got snapped in the first place was by brutal force by the Raikage, if Zabuza and Darui engaged it wouldn't constantly get weaker and smaller, as shown when Suigetsu used the half of the sword to fight Darui, and the sword didn't take any more damage to it. I can show you a scan if you want. Zabuza is beating out Darui if they engage in Kenjutsu.




    Within the mist there's no given that Zabuza could dodge Ranton moves, they're superior to shruiken and Zabuza doesn't have Kakashi's senses or Sharingan reflexes (he trusts his opponents to make noise while HE doesn't for his Silent Killing). I figure Darui could aim the Ranton in a spiral (to maximize area coverage) and have a decent chance of hitting Zabuza or at least a clone. If he's close/moving in for the kill (and when isn't Zabuza doing THAT) he'll have a hard time dodging as Darui can follow him with the lazers if he hears anything and they're moving in the same direction (away from Darui) anyway.

    You're right, he doesn't have Kakashi's senses, he has advanced better senses, which makes up for his lack of Sharingan with reacting. Zabuza would be able to sense a laser coming at him because it was noted in the manga that even the slightest movement of the eye can give yourself away to Zabuza. If he's moving in and a laser is coming at him, Darui CANNOT follow him where he hears him because just as you said, Zabuza is silent, Darui won't be able to sense and aim at him. Even if a laser hit Zabuza, it wouldn't even cause major damage, as shown when he used Laser Circus against Kinkaku and he got barraged with lasers, but didn't have to reanimate much, if I recall, not at all. Laser Circus would be a lucky move in the mist if it hit Zabuza, but he would have to spread them out and 1-2 lasers won't kill him.
    We've never seen Darui use Suiton to his full ability with it, and though he doesn't specialize in it like Zabuza, or use it as actively in combat, he HAS used decent Water Techs while using another technique at the same time. Which means that if he used all his concentration/power on a single technique, it would be far more powerful than the Water Wall he used. Zabuza probably has the edge, but not massively, and can't really expect to surprise Darui with any of his Suiton as he's both a fairly ordinary Water user and Darui has a similar knowledge-base concerning techniques. Darui is also pretty intelligent, as seen in the KinGin fight.

    I think we've seen Darui's full ability with Suiton, as he's a major lightning user, his ONLY water tech is Water Wall, which is used for defense. However, he has to know or see when the enemy is coming at him to know when to activate it, which he won't because of his lack of sensing abilities. So his suiton against Zabuza is basically useless. Zabuza wouldn't even need to use Giant Vortex or Water Dragon Jutsu anyways, all he needs is mist.
    I think if Black Lightning were used it would end up as a conflict between the strengths of the techniques. However, it IS possible it'll end up as you describe. Black Lightning seems more potent than Zabuza's jutsu though, and we don't have much knowledge of its physical properties. It HASN'T mixed with water BEFORE. Maybe it can't?

    It HAS mixed with water before as shown when Darui used it on water to kill Zetsu clones before engaging KinGin, comon dude know your facts haha. Black Lightning/Panther arn't solid techniques, just enhanced lightning that run through water. I can show you a scan if you want.
    He has other options, like using up the moisture in the air with large Suiton. Kakashi didn't actually use his dogs to sense anything, but I agree that his senses are keener than Darui's.

    Dude I think now you're trying to find any argument, Darui has only shown to use Water Wall, which is expelled from the mouth, we can't say he has any other water techs because they havn't been shown, I could say that Zabuza has Water Wall also if we are going to use logic like that. Kakashi used his dogs to sense/smell the blood on Zabuza's blade, dude know your facts when debating man!
    Zabuza DOES have a shot at this, but I feel Darui would take it 7 or 8 times out of 10. Maybe 6.

    Zabuza has the favor of this battle, also if I seem if I'm being harsh I'm just trying to get the point across, you have some valid points though.
     
         
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    WHO TELLING TO CALM DOWN, YOUR THE PHYSCO[/QUOTE]

    This isn't Shayneyy's trolling little brother or something, is it?

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    This isn't Shayneyy's trolling little brother or something, is it?

    If so, good effort, grandbro. (You're bro's bro, so you're my grandbro.)[/QUOTE]

    So where's that reply?
     
         

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