Madara having so much trouble against Naruto.

[Kayloblaze]

None of this matters because Madara still can't beat Pre-crysis Superman. *Superman flies in grabs the Juubi and throws it into the sun with Obito and Madara*

[Microsword57]

lol your confused

jiriaya trained minato sinced he was little, thats why j-man said minato grow up and became hokage in no time

jiraya helped minato with everything

and you didnt answer my kakashi statement...what about kakashi teaching naruto rasenshuriken WITHOUT HAVING WIND ELEMENT???

just admit your worng there is nothing wrong with it

I think your confused on which side your arguing on now. Your arguing on my side now go back to our original argument.

And how do you know that? Like i've said the fight happened during a FB. We can't say for sure what Madara used or not, but what is sure is that he did used other Mokuton techniques than the wood dragon, since the battlefield was already completely changed with wood everywhere when we came back

Also, what makes you believe Naruto also went all out? It's only after the FB that he intended to go all out:

But during the FB, it's also highly possible that he did used Susanoo techniques since it's In-Character for him to use it to dodge Naruto's attacks

Or to attack

And like i've said, Naruto has shown to be able to deal with both Edo Madara and Obito

Btw at that moment, he did escaped the wood dragon technique which was pumping his chakra with relativ ease

The Post had great effort and organization but sadly non of what you posed was Madara attacking Naruto. To say that because their was wood all over the battlefield that Madara must have attack is not reliable considering the fact that Madara could have very used these attacks on Naruto's Comrades or simply used the Wood Release for defense. Since we have no evidence of Madara attacking Naruto any other time we can not say that he has. While Escaping the Wood Dragon is a amazing feat destroying would be a better one and seeing as Gai weaken the Mokuton by attacking Madara allowing Killer B to free himself is a greater feat than escaping. You also have to take into though that Naruto having shadow clones unlike Killer B does not have to be a Giant beast being restricted.

[~Sovereign~]

no you wish i was mad lol ,
i'm in too much a chill mood and playing skyrim to be mad

I'll give you that Naruto isn't captured but what will you say if Naruto ends up getting captured 2-3 or 4 chapters from now??

im not gonna keep arguing because

[Yasuko Sayomi]

im not gonna keep arguing because

I don't think anyone is mad

[RasenUchihaChaos]

im not kishi but ill tell you a FACT...NARUTO ISNT CAPTURED

YOU'RE MAD



LMFAO

so were resorting to beverly prince of bel air now are we and using carlton and not jazz or will huh??

[Microsword57]

how can madara teach obito rinnegan tech BEFORE obito had rinnegan??????????? GTFO andread the manga

plot hole then

madara didnt have rinnegan at the time

nagato had it

how can madara talk out a traing lesson? LMAO

a lock is nothing but a code and you just tell them which direction to turn and to start on "0"

lol your confused

jiriaya trained minato sinced he was little, thats why j-man said minato grow up and became hokage in no time

jiraya helped minato with everything

and you didnt answer my kakashi statement...what about kakashi teaching naruto rasenshuriken WITHOUT HAVING WIND ELEMENT???

just admit your worng there is nothing wrong with it

I turned you against yourself, Your arguments contradict. First your saying that for a training lesson you can not use words, that since Madara did not have his Rinnegan he could not teach Rinnegan Techniques but now your saying that Kakashi was able to teach Naruto to use his Wind without possessing Wind which is in favor of my argument. You defeated Yourself.

[~Sovereign~]

so were resorting to beverly prince of bel air now are we and using carlton and not jazz or will huh??

na i just wanted my victory dance lol

[Yasuko Sayomi]

I turned you against yourself, Your arguments contradict. First your saying that for a training lesson you can not use words, that since Madara did not have his Rinnegan he could not teach Rinnegan Techniques but now your saying that Kakashi was able to teach Naruto to use his Wind without possessing Wind which is in favor of my argument. You defeated Yourself.

He got you.... + rep for finding that

[Varrah]

The fact that Madara is showing through the manga that he's having trouble yet I have the feeling that there's missing something. Also not the mention Naruto's power going up to the roof. I may not have been showing it up lately in my latest posts but I actually think Madara > Naruto but the manga is starting to play some tricks. I'm just curious over Naruto's strength and Madara's attitude.

Adhering the current actions in the story, the only answer that can be given is plot —which is something I hate to use.

Madara’s previous performance have shown only a portion of his power, but based on it, we know what he is capable of utilizing. This brings us into another question, which is similar to the one I asked you before, why has Madara not exercised everything he has displayed thus far?

[new sage of 6 paths]

lets just stop all this

[~Sovereign~]

I turned you against yourself, Your arguments contradict. First your saying that for a training lesson you can not use words, that since Madara did not have his Rinnegan he could not teach Rinnegan Techniques but now your saying that Kakashi was able to teach Naruto to use his Wind without possessing Wind which is in favor of my argument. You defeated Yourself.

LMAO

do you seriously not see the diference? or are you trolling?

madara and obito = were training WITHOUT ANY RINNEGAN!!!!! THERE WAS NO RINNEGAN PRESENT!!!!!

kakashi and naruto = kakashi telling naruto good way to use his wind element and form it with rasengan

naruto was doing his training as kakashi was talking

obito and madara just sitting there TALKING without no training, do you see the difference now?

[RasenUchihaChaos]

lets just stop all this

i know thats y i did maybe we all need a moment collect our breath breathe in and out and have a nice cup of tea or a bowl of ramen to soothe our

minds inner peace as Shifu says inner inner peace

[~Sovereign~]

He got you.... + rep for finding that

that wasnt even a funny one man...you ruin the picture jokes now lol

[Varrah]

None of this matters because Madara still can't beat Pre-crysis Superman. *Superman flies in grabs the Juubi and throws it into the sun with Obito and Madara*

But of course, Pre-Crisis Superman can even potentially defeat Goku.

[Yasuko Sayomi]

that wasnt even a funny one man...you ruin the picture jokes now lol

Nope. Im pretty sure I didn't ruin it.

[~Sovereign~]

this thread died fast....lol

[Microsword57]

LMAO

do you seriously not see the diference? or are you trolling?

madara and obito = were training WITHOUT ANY RINNEGAN!!!!! THERE WAS NO RINNEGAN PRESENT!!!!!

kakashi and naruto = kakashi telling naruto good way to use his wind element and form it with rasengan

naruto was doing his training as kakashi was talking

obito and madara just sitting there TALKING without no training, do you see the difference now?

I do not think you get it. The Manga says Madara taught Obito the Rinnegan techniques[1]. Madara also explained that since Obito had some Senju DNA and that he was an Uchiha that some Rinnegan Techniques could be used such as Summoning the Gezo Statue and controlling it without possessing the Rinnegan. The point in what I was saying is that Madara can teach with words. You supported this by saying Kakashi taught Naruto to use his Wind with Words, but before this statement was made you said that a training lesson could not be taught with words. That is the contradiction in your argument.

that wasnt even a funny one man...you ruin the picture jokes now lol

It made me laugh.

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

this thread died fast....lol

Well, some people are missing the point of the thread and others are posting nonsense.

[~Sovereign~]

I do not think you get it. The Manga says Madara taught Obito the Rinnegan techniques[1]. Madara also explained that since Obito had some Senju DNA and that he was an Uchiha that some Rinnegan Techniques could be used such as Summoning the Gezo Statue and controlling it without possessing the Rinnegan. The point in what I was saying is that Madara can teach with words. You supported this by saying Kakashi taught Naruto to use his Wind with Words, but before this statement was made you said that a training lesson could not be taught with words. That is the contradiction in your argument.

It made me laugh.

you still dont get it lol

kakashi is talking and WATCHING.....naruto is training with the wind element, then kakshi just telling naruto more tips

this goes back to what i said about minato and j-man, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE CAN TALK (J-MAN) AND DOESNT HAVE AN ABILITY (MINATO's ABILITY), doesnt mean that j-man cant HELP

THE DIFFERENCE AGAIN: jiriaya was physically THERE to WATCH minato practice...j-man didnt just TALK to minato about abilities, he helped and gave tips of what he could

MADARA TALKED...nothing more, nothing less.....you cant TALK out a lesson (like rinnegan abilities) without example...obito didnt even train with the rinnegan because THERE WAS NO RINNEGAN..i proved it already (this proves madara COULDNT watch obito train)

really? all madara did was SAY obito has senju and uchiha DNA, madara didnt say let me SHOW you how to control the gedo mazo with the uchiha/senju dna



ok....you laughed.............lol

[~Sovereign~]

Well, some people are missing the point of the thread and others are posting nonsense.

true

[Varrah]

you still dont get it lol

kakashi is talking and WATCHING.....naruto is training with the wind element, then kakshi just telling naruto more tips

this goes back to what i said about minato and j-man, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE CAN TALK (J-MAN) AND DOESNT HAVE AN ABILITY (MINATO's ABILITY), doesnt mean that j-man cant HELP

THE DIFFERENCE AGAIN: jiriaya was physically THERE to WATCH minato practice...j-man didnt just TALK to minato about abilities, he helped and gave tips of what he could

MADARA TALKED...nothing more, nothing less.....you cant TALK out a lesson (like rinnegan abilities) without example...obito didnt even train with the rinnegan because THERE WAS NO RINNEGAN..i proved it already (this proves madara COULDNT watch obito train)

really? all madara did was SAY obito has senju and uchiha DNA, madara didnt say let me SHOW you how to control the gedo mazo with the uchiha/senju dna



ok....you laughed.............lol

The application can still be performed without it being displayed.

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

It's 2:00 AM and I'm tired, I pretty much got more than expected and this thread doesn't needs to get anywhere further unless other people wanted to debate or whatever wasn't clear yet. In my case, I'm going to leave and a huge thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion.

[shogun973]

because obito there, he could be spamming meteors and wood dragons, and amateretsu right now
naruto also naruto has help
if not for ^ BODYBAG

[~Sovereign~]

The application can still be performed.

anything CAN be done

1. this is kishi's manga and anything will happen

2. i just proved that madara didnt have rinnegan to teach obito with

3. i just proved obito never had rinnegan until he fought konan

4. i just proved talking ALONE cant teach an ability

5. it doesnt matter what anyone says, kishi ill give madara and obito all rinnegan trchs IF he chooses to...and if not, then we will not see madara and obito use the abilities

6. the point was that i prove that kishi has plothole AND if madara and obito does have the abilities, it'll be because KISHI wants them to have...not because madara TALKED about it

7. i could go even deeper into the story (logically) and say "how did madara learn rinnegan techs???? madara was on his deathbed, so how did he get up and train with rinnegan WHILE connected to the gedo mazo??? madara couldnt even move....he slept all day"

[Sage mode Tobi]

madara might not have MASTERED all rinnegan abilities

kyuubi>=perfect susano

Naruto has already faired well against the rinnegan techs.Twice.