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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    And at the same time, nothing suggests Minato DIDN'T attempt to learn Sage Mode. Minato attempting to learn Sage Mode makes a lot more sense than him NOT attempting to learn it. Therefore, the "yes" option exists just as much as the "no" option. These cancel each other out and leaves us with "maybe" because there's no proof he didn't attempt it and there's no prood he didn't.

    You need to think outside the box more.
    Its a manga as in fiction, you are seriously over complicating it. Kishimoto is writing this and if Minato had tried to learn Sage Mode it would have been mentioned.

    Tsunade said that Jiraya was the only person in the Leaf that learned Senjutsu besides Naruto.
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Naruto: Thread end no jutsu!

     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by saw2097 View Post
    Untill proof is presented in the manga, then we should assume that Sage Mode Naruto has surpassed Minato. There is no proof that Minato is trying to learn Sage mode and the wording of the manga is Kishi's word.

    Jariya never fought Deva Path. He had a hard time with just 3. Naruto fought five at once with the info and crushed them. Deva Path only gained the upper hand when he killed Pa, and Naruto ran out of Senjutsu.

    So when Deva Path "stomped him" Naruto wasn't even in Sage Mode.

    By the way Base Naruto ultimatley defeated Deva Path.
    Yes he did, He fought all 6 paths at once with no info about them with only one arm and yet he still killed one path.



    Base naruto defeated Deva path after He Fought leaf shinobi/After he one shotted the leaf/After he fought Sm naruto/After he stomped naruto/After fighting kyuubi mode naruto/After naruto getting saved by minato/after he fought naruto in Sm again.
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    And at the same time, nothing suggests Minato DIDN'T attempt to learn Sage Mode. Minato attempting to learn Sage Mode makes a lot more sense than him NOT attempting to learn it. Therefore, the "yes" option exists just as much as the "no" option. These cancel each other out and leaves us with "maybe" because there's no proof he didn't attempt it and there's no prood he didn't.

    You need to think outside the box more.
    Going by common NB logic, there is no "maybe" option in this (I've tried to create the "maybe" option many times, it didn't work out).

    According to the manga, SM Naruto surpassed both Minato and Jiraiya. It's just as it's stated. Nothing more.
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
    Yes he did, He fought all 6 paths at once with no info about them with only one arm and yet he still killed one path.



    Base naruto defeated Deva path after He Fought leaf shinobi/After he one shotted the leaf/After he fought Sm naruto/After he stomped naruto/After fighting kyuubi mode naruto/After naruto getting saved by minato/after he fought naruto in Sm again.
    Pain still had enought power to bring the villiage back to life. And before that he spammed his jutsu's against Naruto.

    And Jiraya was easily defeated by the 6 on one fight. Naruto crushed the first five pains easily. And he couldn't fuse with Ma and Pa.
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Surpass doesn't just mean that he surpassed them in strength. Surpass can mean anything else.
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by saw2097 View Post
    Its a manga as in fiction, you are seriously over complicating it. Kishimoto is writing this and if Minato had tried to learn Sage Mode it would have been mentioned.

    Tsunade said that Jiraya was the only person in the Leaf that learned Senjutsu besides Naruto.
    I am not over complicating anything, you're just failing to look at the entire picture and just choose to look at what supports your claim, rather than both it and what falsifies your claim. That is the kind of thinking that prevents true discussions on the Base.

    And when did Tsunade ever say that? And even if it's true, it still doesn't defeat my earlier claim that Minato is a Level 0 in Sage Mode, it even reinforces it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    Going by common NB logic, there is no "maybe" option in this (I've tried to create the "maybe" option many times, it didn't work out).

    According to the manga, SM Naruto surpassed both Minato and Jiraiya. It's just as it's stated. Nothing more.
    There is a maybe option, because there is no proof that confirms a "yes", or "no".

    And what Geezer Frog said is up for speculation because there are too many variables: Has Geezer Frog seen Minato's full powers? Has Minato learned Sage Mode? Has he attempted it? All these things need to be taken into consideration, and since we don't have definite "yesses" or "nos", all we are left with is "maybe".
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    Surpass doesn't just mean that he surpassed them in strength. Surpass can mean anything else.
    Fukasaku said it after Naruto did this:
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by saw2097 View Post
    Pain still had enought power to bring the villiage back to life. And before that he spammed his jutsu's against Naruto.

    And Jiraya was easily defeated by the 6 on one fight. Naruto crushed the first five pains easily. And he couldn't fuse with Ma and Pa.
    Naruto only defeated the other paths because deva paths powers needed to cooldown, If Pain went at him full force naruto would of gotten stomped.
    Naruto had full info on the paths and their abilties, While also getting Fed constant updates from tsunade via Katsuyu, While also Nagato had used quite alot of chakra befor naruto had even shown up.

    jiraiya had nothing, As i said if naruto truely surpassed him, Naruto would of defeat Pain without info, even more easily with Deva paths powers on cooldown.

    Pain stated if he had known of their secret they might not of won, yet naruto knew this and still would of lost (if not for Hinata/kyuubi/Minato).

    Pain wasn't even trying to kill naruto, But he was trying to kill jiraiya. If Pain truely wanted naruto dead, he would've been.
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    I am not over complicating anything, you're just failing to look at the entire picture and just choose to look at what supports your claim, rather than both it and what falsifies your claim. That is the kind of thinking that prevents true discussions on the Base.

    And when did Tsunade ever say that? And even if it's true, it still doesn't defeat my earlier claim that Minato is a Level 0 in Sage Mode, it even reinforces it.



    There is a maybe option, because there is no proof that confirms a "yes", or "no".

    And what Geezer Frog said is up for speculation because there are too many variables: Has Geezer Frog seen Minato's full powers? Has Minato learned Sage Mode? Has he attempted it? All these things need to be taken into consideration, and since we don't have definite "yesses" or "nos", all we are left with is "maybe".
    The manga says nothing to support that Minato has learned Sage Mode, and using NB logic this means he hasn't. Same thing for has he attempted it or not. Fukasaku saw Minato and Jiraiya in Naruto, so it is assumable that he saw Minato's full powers before.

    You're trying to say that SM Naruto didn't surpass Jiraiya and Minato because nothing in the manga says that Fukasaku wasn't talking about mastery over Sage Mode. No, the statement is simple and nothing more, no underlying meaning or anything. You're making a sentence more complicated than it should be to support what you're saying.
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
    Naruto only defeated the other paths because deva paths powers needed to cooldown, If Pain went at him full force naruto would of gotten stomped.
    Naruto had full info on the paths and their abilties, While also getting Fed constant updates from tsunade via Katsuyu, While also Nagato had used quite alot of chakra befor naruto had even shown up.

    jiraiya had nothing, As i said if naruto truely surpassed him, Naruto would of defeat Pain without info, even more easily with Deva paths powers on cooldown.

    Pain stated if he had known of their secret they might not of won, yet naruto knew this and still would of lost (if not for Hinata/kyuubi/Minato).

    Pain wasn't even trying to kill naruto, But he was trying to kill jiraiya. If Pain truely wanted naruto dead, he would've been.
    Naruto an idiot.. It's better if he didn't know the abilities..
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Exaar View Post
    Naruto only defeated the other paths because deva paths powers needed to cooldown, If Pain went at him full force naruto would of gotten stomped.
    Naruto had full info on the paths and their abilties, While also getting Fed constant updates from tsunade via Katsuyu, While also Nagato had used quite alot of chakra befor naruto had even shown up.

    jiraiya had nothing, As i said if naruto truely surpassed him, Naruto would of defeat Pain without info, even more easily with Deva paths powers on cooldown.

    Pain stated if he had known of their secret they might not of won, yet naruto knew this and still would of lost (if not for Hinata/kyuubi/Minato).

    Pain wasn't even trying to kill naruto, But he was trying to kill jiraiya. If Pain truely wanted naruto dead, he would've been.
    If Naruto isn't stronger than Jariya and Minato why would Kishi say he has. He wrote the manga and calls the shots.

    Also Pain admitted that Naruto had pushed him further than anyone else long before the 9 tails jumped in. Naruto only fell because he ran out of Senjutsu and Pain killed Pa.
     
         
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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    i'am gonna turn this thread in the hotest thread :scorps:
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

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    i'am gonna turn this thread in the hotest thread :scorps:
    Do it
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    You think people would have learned from the whole Hiruzen thing but no. If anyone think Sm Naruto can beat jiriya who knows almost all of Naruto's jutsu and has more techs and has a SM himself and a Minato that Naruto could not even touch needs help.
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    The manga says nothing to support that Minato has learned Sage Mode, and using NB logic this means he hasn't. Same thing for has he attempted it or not. Fukasaku saw Minato and Jiraiya in Naruto, so it is assumable that he saw Minato's full powers before.

    You're trying to say that SM Naruto didn't surpass Jiraiya and Minato because nothing in the manga says that Fukasaku wasn't talking about mastery over Sage Mode. No, the statement is simple and nothing more, no underlying meaning or anything. You're making a sentence more complicated than it should be to support what you're saying.
    And you're making things to simple to support your claim. All your arguments backfire on you. This cancels out my yes, and your no, and leaves us with maybe. Anyway, this argument is pretty done with no winner, just a bunch of maybes, so there's no point in continuing.

    Quote Originally Posted by saw2097 View Post
    If Naruto isn't stronger than Jariya and Minato why would Kishi say he has. He wrote the manga and calls the shots.
    Not everything a character says is confirmation from Kishi.

    For example, A said Sharingan won't work on him, and it has.

    Kiba said he was gonna beat Naruto, and he hasn't.

    Oonoki said they would beat Madara, and they didn't.

    Gai said Hirudora was a one-shit kill technique, but Kisame survived.
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by slaton02 View Post
    You think people would have learned from the whole Hiruzen thing but no. If anyone think Sm Naruto can beat jiriya who knows almost all of Naruto's jutsu and has more techs and has a SM himself and a Minato that Naruto could not even touch needs help.
    Then why did Kishi say it. Its his manga and when he had the old toad say that Naruto had surpassed them that translates into him saying it.
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by saw2097 View Post
    If Naruto isn't stronger than Jariya and Minato why would Kishi say he has. He wrote the manga and calls the shots.
    As i said.

    If naruto had truely surpassed jiraiya, Naruto would of defeated pain without getting Pinned to the floor.

    jiraiya + info >/= Pain according to the manga.

    Naruto + Info < Pain according the the manga (up untill hinata stepped in).
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Somehow
     
         

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    Re: SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by slaton02 View Post
    You think people would have learned from the whole Hiruzen thing but no. If anyone think Sm Naruto can beat jiriya who knows almost all of Naruto's jutsu and has more techs and has a SM himself and a Minato that Naruto could not even touch needs help.
    Kishimoto needs help . This isn't a versus thread, your comment is nullified.

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    And you're making things to simple to support your claim. All your arguments backfire on you. This cancels out my yes, and your no, and leaves us with maybe. Anyway, this argument is pretty done with no winner, just a bunch of maybes, so there's no point in continuing.



    Not everything a character says is confirmation from Kishi.

    For example, A said Sharingan won't work on him, and it has.

    Kiba said he was gonna beat Naruto, and he hasn't.

    Oonoki said they would beat Madara, and they didn't.

    Gai said Hirudora was a one-shit kill technique, but Kisame survived.
    No, I'm simply restating what is said in the manga; "Naruto has surpassed those who came before him" - Fukasaku in reference to Minato and Jiraiya. I'm just taking the literal meaning of what Fukasaku said. You're trying to create another meaning for what Fukasaku is saying.
     
         

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