SM Naruto surpasses both Jiraiya and Minato

[End of Days]

Fukasaku's opinion > Yamato's opinion

so you are refusing to accept things that contradict your agenda

fail

[Omnipotent]

so you are refusing to accept things that contradict your agenda

fail

I'm defending my opinion, simple as that. Minato's one of my favorite characters, and I like him much more than Naruto. But just because he has blonde hair and blue eyes doesn't mean he's up there. It only works for Naruto because he's the main character.

[End of Days]

I'm defending my opinion, simple as that. Minato's one of my favorite characters, and I like him much more than Naruto. But just because he has blonde hair and blue eyes doesn't mean he's up there. It only works for Naruto because he's the main character.

i will be watching your posts from now on since i suspect this an alt account made to troll and make fun of minato

i have seen many such accounts before

[KidGamer65]

Fukasaku's opinion > Yamato's opinion

Why is his opinion greater than Yamato's?

[Exaar]

Fukasaku's opinion > Yamato's opinion

Why is fukasaku's statement more important that Yamato's?

[Omnipotent]

Why is fukasaku's statement more important that Yamato's?

Can you prove that Yamato has even seen the Yondaime Hokage before?

This is like Iruka saying Prime Hiruzen = strongest Hokage.

[KidGamer65]

Can you prove that Yamato has even seen the Yondaime Hokage before?

This is like Iruka saying Prime Hiruzen = strongest Hokage.

Can you prove Fukasaku has seen Minato before?

[saw2097]

Why is fukasaku's statement more important that Yamato's?

Well Fukasaku is an old Toad Sage, so his statement does carry more weight.

[Exaar]

Can you prove that Yamato has even seen the Yondaime Hokage before?

This is like Iruka saying Prime Hiruzen = strongest Hokage.

I Enjoy how your like "It's said in the manga, It's fact", Yet somone posts you a manga scan of someone saying otherwise all you say is "Prove it".

Also i'm getting kinda tired explaining Iruka's statement to you. I will say this one last time.

Iruka doesn't need to see Prime hiruzen because this wasn't his opinion, Iruka was simply stating what other say about hiruzen.

Well Fukasaku is an old Toad Sage, so his statement does carry more weight.

He can be as old as he likes, Doesn't make every he say's a fact.

[saw2097]

Can you prove fukasaku has ever seen Minato?.

But i Enjoy how your like "It's said in the manga, It's fact", Yet somone posts you a manga scan of someone saying otherwise all you say is "Prove it".

Also i'm getting kinda tired explaining Iruka's statement to you. I will say this one last time.

Iruka doesn't need to see Prime hiruzen because this wasn't his opinion, Iruka was simply stating what other say about hiruzen.



He can be as old as he likes, Doesn't make every he say's a fact.

All I was pointing out was why it was said that the old frog's opionion is better than Yamato's.

Well sort of. I have been wrong before, but we really haven't been able to compare Minato and Naruto because we haven't really seen much of Minato. All we have are some character's opionions.

[Omnipotent]

i will be watching your posts from now on since i suspect this an alt account made to troll and make fun of minato

i have seen many such accounts before

Nah, I'm a Tobirama 'boy.

[Omnipotent]

Can you prove Fukasaku has seen Minato before?

Using simple childish logic, "you first".

[KidGamer65]

Using simple childish logic, "you first".

Naturally the one who makes the claim first has proof to back it up...but of course, you don't.

[saw2097]

We will all probably have a better scope of Minato's abilities if Kishi does his prequel series he was talking about. It would be nice to see what Minato could do, then we would be able to have a better idea where he and Naruto stand.

[Itachi Minato]

We will all probably have a better scope of Minato's abilities if Kishi does his prequel series he was talking about. It would be nice to see what Minato could do, then we would be able to have a better idea where he and Naruto stand.

u are correct that we need to see more of minato but from what we have seen do u think SM Naruto would beat him in a fight??? Forget wat the manga says for a sec and using feats. omnipotent its late so i wont look for the manga page right now but kakashi did say that and can ask other people.

[saw2097]

u are correct that we need to see more of minato but from what we have seen do u think SM Naruto would beat him in a fight??? Forget wat the manga says for a sec and using feats. omnipotent its late so i wont look for the manga page right now but kakashi did say that and can ask other people.

I am just going to put my opionion of the issue on hold until I see more of Minato.

I still think that Naruto has surpassed Jiraya though but thats another matter.

[Blaze Release]

Why is fukasaku's statement more important that Yamato's?

Whilst i agree that sm naruto hasnt overall surpassed jiraiya/minato, pa frog's opinion far out weighs yamato and in fact you guys dont even know why yamato said what he did.

What pa frog said is similar to enma's reaction to hiruzen when he mocked him and compared him to his prime. A summoning is in the best position to give a valid analysis of its summoner and somebody as wise as pa frog's would know what he is talking about. Secondly what yamato said is you who do not understand. When he said naruto isnt on the fourth's level yet, first of all what does he know about minato. Who is in a better position to say what they said, pa frog or yamato who probably hasnt even met minato.

Secondly yamato said what he did because naruto couldnt control his speed and i beleive he sprained his ankle. Thats why yamato said he isnt on the fourth's level yet. He hasnt mastered this speed yet. This should put things into perspective Here and here

It is the speed that naruto had yet to master

[Omnipotent]

Naturally the one who makes the claim first has proof to back it up...but of course, you don't.

And do you?

[KidGamer65]

And do you?

You made the claim first you need to provide your proof with the claim, but you haven't so we all are waiting.

That is like me saying EMS Madara>Nagato and then asking others for proof that what i'm saying isn't true, that isn't how it works.

The one who makes the claim backs it up, simple as that.

[Omnipotent]

You made the claim first you need to provide your proof with the claim, but you haven't so we all are waiting.

That is like me saying EMS Madara>Nagato and then asking others for proof that what i'm saying isn't true, that isn't how it works.

The one who makes the claim backs it up, simple as that.

You're asking for proof that what Fukasaku says is the literal meaning. They don't call me Kishimoto for a reason.

Since you're obviously Kishimoto, what proof do you have to support that what Fukasaku says isn't the literal meaning of what he's saying?

[KidGamer65]

You're asking for proof that what Fukasaku says is the literal meaning. They don't call me Kishimoto for a reason.

Since you're obviously Kishimoto, what proof do you have to support that what Fukasaku says isn't the literal meaning of what he's saying?

, who said I was Kishimoto?

And BTW I'm not even for any side, all I said was: Provide evidence for your claim before you ask others for their evidence.

[GiantShuriken]

No he didn't surpass Minato. Minato can FTG kunai him to the back of his neck.

[Munboy]

Naruto surpassed Minato in terms of mastering Rasengan - Kakashi mentioned it referencing Rasengan.
Naruto surpassed Jiraiya in terms of mastering Sage Mode - Fukasaku mentioned it referencing Sage Mode.
Naruto surpassed both of them, overall, as a shinobi - Fukasaku said this. If Fukasaku meant Rasengan or Sage Mode, then he'd have mentioned it; Fukasaku didn't even know FRS existed until Naruto used it against Pain.

Though SM Naruto has surpassed Minato, Minato is an interesting one. With his skill set he can still fight people tiers above him, even though he doesn't have the power to match them. A perfect example being Minato vs Obito.

[Omnipotent]

Naruto surpassed Minato in terms of mastering Rasengan - Kakashi mentioned it referencing Rasengan.
Naruto surpassed Jiraiya in terms of mastering Sage Mode - Fukasaku mentioned it referencing Sage Mode.
Naruto surpassed both of them, overall, as a shinobi - Fukasaku said this. If Fukasaku meant Rasengan or Sage Mode, then he'd have mentioned it; Fukasaku didn't even know FRS existed until Naruto used it against Pain.

Though SM Naruto has surpassed Minato, Minato is an interesting one. With his skill set he can still fight people tiers above him, even though he doesn't have the power to match them. A perfect example being Minato vs Obito.

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