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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak the Truth View Post
    Seems like you're getting all your information messed up today Proof! They were never descendants of each other, the manga fact is that they are distant blood relatives!
    Kind of the same thing in what I meant.. They should still be able to perform ninjutsu, as they are blood related.. It'd be rather absurd if they couldn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tebows Youth Group View Post
    Show me where it says the Senju pre-date the Uzumaki?
    Look at the comment above.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    first of all, where do you kids find time to do all this,
    read everything since it seems you put effort into it but there are flaws in your logic,your reason for white hair is just simple guess work and assumption,when people get old and/or about to die they start to lose nutrients in their hair which causes it to turn white thats why most old people have white and grey hair.secondly the man might sealed it but that doesnt mean he didnt have any ninjustu,am not sure of this but i think it was more of a way to weaken then seal and not just an attempt to seal it,plus nagato was thought how to fight by jiraya the same time the thought yahiko and konan so thats not a good example since all of them couldnt fight before they met him

    lastly you guys should calm down and stop overthinking simple stuff because this is a manga that is abased on japenese ninja and their culture(if it was based on science like shows like fmab cool)thats why people felt it was impossible for tobi to be minato
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by Invsblphntm View Post
    Can you add the part where Uchihas got their eyes from the Juubi's influence on the Sage and the Senjus got the powerful physical body from it too? Would make the thread just a bit better.
    Hmmm, I get what you mean about where the Uchiha got their influence, but "The Senju's got the powerful physical body from it too?" Can you explain?
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    Kind of the same thing in what I meant.. They should still be able to perform ninjutsu, as they are blood related.. It'd be rather absurd if they couldn't.



    Look at the comment above.
    No not the same thing! Why don't you read the entire thread? To answer your question...the Sage had his children AFTER he became the Sage and attained the Rinnegan. That is where the Senju and Uchiha get their powers.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSamuel View Post
    first of all, where do you kids find time to do all this,
    read everything since it seems you put effort into it but there are flaws in your logic,your reason for white hair is just simple guess work and assumption,when people get old and/or about to die they start to lose nutrients in their hair which causes it to turn white thats why most old people have white and grey hair.secondly the man might sealed it but that doesnt mean he didnt have any ninjustu,am not sure of this but i think it was more of a way to weaken then seal and not just an attempt to seal it,plus nagato was thought how to fight by jiraya the same time the thought yahiko and konan so thats not a good example since all of them couldnt fight before they met him

    lastly you guys should calm down and stop overthinking simple stuff because this is a manga that is abased on japenese ninja and their culture(if it was based on science like shows like fmab cool)thats why people felt it was impossible for tobi to be minato
    GTFO! This the best and most factual thread in a long time! There is no defense to his deductions, the Sage was an Uzumaki!

    The Sage preached ninjutsu AFTER he sealed the Juubi and got the Rinnegan, which proves he got it from the Juubi, as it didn't exist before.
     
         
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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak the Truth View Post
    No not the same thing! Why don't you read the entire thread? To answer your question...the Sage had his children AFTER he became the Sage and attained the Rinnegan. That is where the Senju and Uchiha get their powers.
    Haha, thank you for making the point!

    Yep, if you read Dr. Proof, they are distant relatives, like the manga stated. But, I explain why they dont have ninjutsu AND can be related to the senju.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    No not the same thing! Why don't you read the entire thread? To answer your question...the Sage had his children AFTER he became the Sage and attained the Rinnegan. That is where the Senju and Uchiha get their powers.
    You shouldn't assume I haven't read the whole thread. As I agree with this mans theory, I just found that one part to be untrue. You shouldn't go about on assumptions like that.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak the Truth View Post
    GTFO! This the best and most factual thread in a long time! There is no defense to his deductions, the Sage was an Uzumaki!
    calm down kid
    this is just manga
    dont get upset because someone doesnt agree with you
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonSamuel View Post
    calm down kid
    this is just manga
    dont get upset because someone doesnt agree with you
    Just like when you and me should have listened when people said Tobi is Obito, you should listen now.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    first of all, where do you kids find time to do all this,
    read everything since it seems you put effort into it but there are flaws in your logic,your reason for white hair is just simple guess work and assumption,when people get old and/or about to die they start to lose nutrients in their hair which causes it to turn white thats why most old people have white and grey hair.secondly the man might sealed it but that doesnt mean he didnt have any ninjustu,am not sure of this but i think it was more of a way to weaken then seal and not just an attempt to seal it,plus nagato was thought how to fight by jiraya the same time the thought yahiko and konan so thats not a good example since all of them couldnt fight before they met him

    lastly you guys should calm down and stop overthinking simple stuff because this is a manga that is abased on japenese ninja and their culture(if it was based on science like shows like fmab cool)thats why people felt it was impossible for tobi to be minato
    Well, that's what fans do. One thing I think makes stories so fun is being able to talk about them with other fans.

    To your point about the hair. Yes, I agree, it could have been from old age, as we saw with Madara. However, do you not find it odd that Kishi even made Nagato's hair turn white? Why add even add that? When we learn more about the Sage I think we will see his hair is red, then white.

    To your next point. Yes, he sealed it and it doesnt mean he had no ninjutsu, but them let me ask you, how did he beat the Juubi?

    He SEALED it, didnt defeat it. He used the one thing the Uzumaki's are known for, and all the Rinnengan techniques? If you read the thread I think you see why it is improbable he had them before he faught the Juubi. What other evidence is there to that fight other than he used the ONE thing Uzumaki's excel at. What other ninjutsu can you imagine he used?
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    calm down kid
    this is just manga
    dont get upset because someone doesnt agree with you
    you notice the intense aggressiveness also? Ha.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak the Truth View Post
    Just like when you and me should have listened when people said Tobi is Obito, you should listen now.
    listening is one thing
    but believing everything you hear or read is just umh ,how do i put it
    not smart

    writers and authors can do whatever they want with their books
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    you notice the intense aggressiveness also? Ha.
    yeah,
    reason i dont argue with people on the internet
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    I tried to find holes in it, seriously. One solid argument after another and just kept coming. I'm absolutely stunned, great job!

    This could also explain why the Uzumaki clan was wiped out. Seems like someone found out and diden't like what they heard.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    You shouldn't assume I haven't read the whole thread. As I agree with this mans theory, I just found that one part to be untrue. You shouldn't go about on assumptions like that.
    Right, and I kind of get the problem you are having with it, but again, I feel like I explained why they differ so much.

    Uzumaki's out-date the Senju. Yes they are "distant relatives" but it is that distant part that explains exactly why they can use ninjutsu while the Uzumaki can only use seals, become hosts for Bijuu, heal people, etc.

    If you believe the Uzumaki can use ninjutsu, and you may be right. But, if its in the manga, where a pure Uzumaki is using some ninjutstu, even a basic one, please show me.

    Nagato does not count, I have explained why.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Look, I hate it when people intentionally deny solid evidence by simply making shit up, cuz they'd rather stay in denial. Sorry if I seemed pushy...
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by Forsberg View Post
    I tried to find holes in it, seriously. One solid argument after another and just kept coming. I'm absolutely stunned, great job!

    This could also explain why the Uzumaki clan was wiped out. Seems like someone found out and diden't like what they heard.
    Exactly, I have often wondered about what happened to them. I think it's obvious Kishi underplayed what happened to them and is going to make it a big part of the story.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    Right, and I kind of get the problem you are having with it, but again, I feel like I explained why they differ so much.

    Uzumaki's out-date the Senju. Yes they are "distant relatives" but it is that distant part that explains exactly why they can use ninjutsu while the Uzumaki can only use seals, become hosts for Bijuu, heal people, etc.

    If you believe the Uzumaki can use ninjutsu, and you may be right. But, if its in the manga, where a pure Uzumaki is using some ninjutstu, even a basic one, please show me.

    Nagato does not count, I have explained why.
    It's overall really a solid theory, one of the best by far I've seen on here.. And you're new to? You've earned my uttermost respect, and I'd like to work with you on an upcoming thread you might do depending on what it is.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by Tebows Youth Group View Post
    Well, that's what fans do. One thing I think makes stories so fun is being able to talk about them with other fans.

    To your point about the hair. Yes, I agree, it could have been from old age, as we saw with Madara. However, do you not find it odd that Kishi even made Nagato's hair turn white? Why add even add that? When we learn more about the Sage I think we will see his hair is red, then white.

    To your next point. Yes, he sealed it and it doesnt mean he had no ninjutsu, but them let me ask you, how did he beat the Juubi?

    He SEALED it, didnt defeat it. He used the one thing the Uzumaki's are known for, and all the Rinnengan techniques? If you read the thread I think you see why it is improbable he had them before he faught the Juubi. What other evidence is there to that fight other than he used the ONE thing Uzumaki's excel at. What other ninjutsu can you imagine he used?
    to be frank I dont really care if he is an uzumaki/senju/bijuu/uchiha

    what am saying is that you guys are over-analysing this manga because some things dont really have any significance ,if i said lee he is related to gai because of their eyebrows or lee is uzumaki because he cant do ninjustu and they didnt state what clan he was from that would just be assumptions and me overthinking simple stuff.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    It's overall really a solid theory, one of the best by far I've seen on here.. And you're new to? You've earned my uttermost respect, and I'd like to work with you on an upcoming thread you might do depending on what it is.
    Haha, sounds like you're coming around to this idea. Thank you for the support.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    And thus it is settled, The Sage of The Six Paths was an Uzumaki. Just like Nagato of The Six Paths of Pain.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    I love this thread but u looked over one thing... Tsunade said it herself that "naruto's personality and NINJUTSU style are identical to his mother's". Click on the link then go to the description of her personality.... http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kushina_Uzumaki

    Uzumaki CAN use ninjutsu but specialize in sealing...end of discussion
     
         
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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    No YOU overlooked the fact that he mentions Naruto is not a pure Uzumaki!

    Bro..in order for his jutsu style to be identical to his mother's means that kushina herself had to use similar ninjutsu... who he so clearly identified as a pure uzumaki
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by SageMode 23 View Post
    Bro..in order for his jutsu style to be identical to his mother's means that kushina herself had to use similar ninjutsu... who he so clearly identified as a pure uzumaki
    Yes and look at how many jutsu he specialised in......shadow clone, transformation and sexy no jutsu. That's quite a lot of ninjutsus isnt it?
    For the record, rasengan and it's variants are not jutsu, they are chakra nature and shape manipulation.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak the Truth View Post
    Yes and look at how many jutsu he specialised in......shadow clone, transformation and sexy no jutsu. That's quite a lot of ninjutsus isnt it?
    For the record, rasengan and it's variants are not jutsu, they are chakra nature and shape manipulation.
    Even something as simple as a shadow clone is classified as ninjutsu..doesn't matter the rank or arsenal they had either...the thread states that full blooded uzumaki can't use ninjutsu and I proved that wrong...maybe they are not ninjutsu specialists ..and that's fine...but the fact still remains they they are capable of pulling them off
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    I like your theory and all but I believe it's the way the manga has already told it. The uzumaki's are simply the decendents from the Senju clan.

    For one it's not that the Uzamaki couldn't use ninjutsu they just specialize in sealing <-----. There is nothing has been said in the manga the uzumaki's weren't able to use ninjutsu.

    For your second point you can't really say he had it or not because it was unclear when he started teaching people ninjutsu. Also the picture you showed looks more the sharigan than the rinnegan to me.

    Your last claim is also nonsense when you say he didn't teach people about chakra/ninjutsu when it was clearly stated he did. Chakra itself did not come from the Juubi. All living things have chakra how do you think the Sage was able to weild such weapons.
     
         

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