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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    I tried to find holes in it, seriously. One solid argument after another and just kept coming. I'm absolutely stunned, great job!

    This could also explain why the Uzumaki clan was wiped out. Seems like someone found out and diden't like what they heard.
    Exactly, I have often wondered about what happened to them. I think it's obvious Kishi underplayed what happened to them and is going to make it a big part of the story.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    Right, and I kind of get the problem you are having with it, but again, I feel like I explained why they differ so much.

    Uzumaki's out-date the Senju. Yes they are "distant relatives" but it is that distant part that explains exactly why they can use ninjutsu while the Uzumaki can only use seals, become hosts for Bijuu, heal people, etc.

    If you believe the Uzumaki can use ninjutsu, and you may be right. But, if its in the manga, where a pure Uzumaki is using some ninjutstu, even a basic one, please show me.

    Nagato does not count, I have explained why.
    It's overall really a solid theory, one of the best by far I've seen on here.. And you're new to? You've earned my uttermost respect, and I'd like to work with you on an upcoming thread you might do depending on what it is.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    Well, that's what fans do. One thing I think makes stories so fun is being able to talk about them with other fans.

    To your point about the hair. Yes, I agree, it could have been from old age, as we saw with Madara. However, do you not find it odd that Kishi even made Nagato's hair turn white? Why add even add that? When we learn more about the Sage I think we will see his hair is red, then white.

    To your next point. Yes, he sealed it and it doesnt mean he had no ninjutsu, but them let me ask you, how did he beat the Juubi?

    He SEALED it, didnt defeat it. He used the one thing the Uzumaki's are known for, and all the Rinnengan techniques? If you read the thread I think you see why it is improbable he had them before he faught the Juubi. What other evidence is there to that fight other than he used the ONE thing Uzumaki's excel at. What other ninjutsu can you imagine he used?
    to be frank I dont really care if he is an uzumaki/senju/bijuu/uchiha

    what am saying is that you guys are over-analysing this manga because some things dont really have any significance ,if i said lee he is related to gai because of their eyebrows or lee is uzumaki because he cant do ninjustu and they didnt state what clan he was from that would just be assumptions and me overthinking simple stuff.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    It's overall really a solid theory, one of the best by far I've seen on here.. And you're new to? You've earned my uttermost respect, and I'd like to work with you on an upcoming thread you might do depending on what it is.
    Haha, sounds like you're coming around to this idea. Thank you for the support.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    And thus it is settled, The Sage of The Six Paths was an Uzumaki. Just like Nagato of The Six Paths of Pain.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    I love this thread but u looked over one thing... Tsunade said it herself that "naruto's personality and NINJUTSU style are identical to his mother's". Click on the link then go to the description of her personality.... http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kushina_Uzumaki

    Uzumaki CAN use ninjutsu but specialize in sealing...end of discussion
     
         
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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    No YOU overlooked the fact that he mentions Naruto is not a pure Uzumaki!

    Bro..in order for his jutsu style to be identical to his mother's means that kushina herself had to use similar ninjutsu... who he so clearly identified as a pure uzumaki
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by SageMode 23 View Post
    Bro..in order for his jutsu style to be identical to his mother's means that kushina herself had to use similar ninjutsu... who he so clearly identified as a pure uzumaki
    Yes and look at how many jutsu he specialised in......shadow clone, transformation and sexy no jutsu. That's quite a lot of ninjutsus isnt it?
    For the record, rasengan and it's variants are not jutsu, they are chakra nature and shape manipulation.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    Yes and look at how many jutsu he specialised in......shadow clone, transformation and sexy no jutsu. That's quite a lot of ninjutsus isnt it?
    For the record, rasengan and it's variants are not jutsu, they are chakra nature and shape manipulation.
    Even something as simple as a shadow clone is classified as ninjutsu..doesn't matter the rank or arsenal they had either...the thread states that full blooded uzumaki can't use ninjutsu and I proved that wrong...maybe they are not ninjutsu specialists ..and that's fine...but the fact still remains they they are capable of pulling them off
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    I like your theory and all but I believe it's the way the manga has already told it. The uzumaki's are simply the decendents from the Senju clan.

    For one it's not that the Uzamaki couldn't use ninjutsu they just specialize in sealing <-----. There is nothing has been said in the manga the uzumaki's weren't able to use ninjutsu.

    For your second point you can't really say he had it or not because it was unclear when he started teaching people ninjutsu. Also the picture you showed looks more the sharigan than the rinnegan to me.

    Your last claim is also nonsense when you say he didn't teach people about chakra/ninjutsu when it was clearly stated he did. Chakra itself did not come from the Juubi. All living things have chakra how do you think the Sage was able to weild such weapons.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Madara hath clearly stated you need senju and uchiha powers to attain the rennigan
    The so6p has both powers

    Why would he need the jubbi to attain rennigan when madara is clear proof that the jubbi isn't needed to attain the rennigan.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by SageMode 23 View Post
    I love this thread but u looked over one thing... Tsunade said it herself that "naruto's personality and NINJUTSU style are identical to his mother's". Click on the link then go to the description of her personality.... http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kushina_Uzumaki

    Uzumaki CAN use ninjutsu but specialize in sealing...end of discussion
    A couple of things.

    First: that's only one point I made in the thread, even if proved wrong, it doesn't end the discussion.

    Second: the source you pulled is a fan site. It is written by fans and I personally never use when trying to make an argurment. It is a fan based site, not cannon.

    Third: If they are referring to this



    Then Tsunade could have meant a variety of things. I do know, that she didn't say Jutsu.

    Fourth: Kushina saying she wasn't good at ninjutsu only strengthens my point, no? She was brought over as a kid and put in the academy. Her failure at ninjutsu just shows she was not capable of it. How was she to know her clan was never meant to use ninjutsu?

    Thank you for the post, you may be right, but I don't think your evidence is good enough to disprove my theory.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    I like your theory and all but I believe it's the way the manga has already told it. The uzumaki's are simply the decendents from the Senju clan.

    For one it's not that the Uzamaki couldn't use ninjutsu they just specialize in sealing <-----. There is nothing has been said in the manga the uzumaki's weren't able to use ninjutsu.

    For your second point you can't really say he had it or not because it was unclear when he started teaching people ninjutsu. Also the picture you showed looks more the sharigan than the rinnegan to me.

    Your last claim is also nonsense when you say he didn't teach people about chakra/ninjutsu when it was clearly stated he did. Chakra itself did not come from the Juubi. All living things have chakra how do you think the Sage was able to weild such weapons.
    One: Manga never states the Uzumaki are descendants of Senju, only that they were distant relatives. My thread explains this.

    Two: Show me one page. Just one. Where an Uzumaki is using some type of ninjutsu, I dont care how insignificant and I will agree with you.

    Three: I never said he didn't have chakra before he faught the Juubi. Uzumaki's have chakra, that was never the point of the thread. Ninjutstu is another story. The idea of NINJA did not emerge till after the defeat of the Juubi.


    Edit: And to your point about the Juubi not having the Rinnengan. Look closley, the Sharingan Tomae are on the ripple patterns of the Rinnengan.
     
         
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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    Madara hath clearly stated you need senju and uchiha powers to attain the rennigan
    The so6p has both powers

    Why would he need the jubbi to attain rennigan when madara is clear proof that the jubbi isn't needed to attain the rennigan.
    You didn't read the thread?

    If you did the answer is in there I promise...
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by Tebows Youth Group View Post
    A couple of things.

    First: that's only one point I made in the thread, even if proved wrong, it doesn't end the discussion.

    Second: the source you pulled is a fan site. It is written by fans and I personally never use when trying to make an argurment. It is a fan based site, not cannon.

    Third: If they are referring to this



    Then Tsunade could have meant a variety of things. I do know, that she didn't say Jutsu.

    Fourth: Kushina saying she wasn't good at ninjutsu only strengthens my point, no? She was brought over as a kid and put in the academy. Her failure at ninjutsu just shows she was not capable of it. How was she to know her clan was never meant to use ninjutsu?

    Thank you for the post, you may be right, but I don't think your evidence is good enough to disprove my theory.

    Well that can go either way bro...as there are more than one versions of manga tranlations...when I read it..I specifically remember her sayin "ninjutsu style". And her stating she wasn't any good at ninjutsu is not solid proof of her "not being able to"..let's not forget that naruto isn't good at ninjutsu either as he is forced to use clones for a jutsu that doesn't even involve hand signs and sage mode is not a ninjutsu so that's out....what's left?? Nothing..he is half namikaze and half uzumaki but just like his mother is not very good at ninjutsu..something he inherited from her..

    Edit. Ps...I didn't mean to come off as an ass when I said end of dicussion ...I meant about the uzumakis. Not being able to use ninjutsu....other than that the thread was good.. rep
     
         
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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    An interesting idea, but it fails on a few levels.
    The uzumaki are decendants of the senju, senju being decended from SO6P.
    The guy had rinnegan befor he beat the tentails, or are you implying he beat it with fisticuffs?
    The uzumaki have more that fuinjutsu(haha fancy japanese name, but will you beat me now)
    The uzumaki can use ninjutsu.
    The uzumaki are not the only ones with fuinjustu(FJN)
    Everything else you said.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowthulhu45 View Post
    An interesting idea, but it fails on a few levels.
    The uzumaki are decendants of the senju, senju being decended from SO6P.
    The guy had rinnegan befor he beat the tentails, or are you implying he beat it with fisticuffs?
    The uzumaki have more that fuinjutsu(haha fancy japanese name, but will you beat me now)
    The uzumaki can use ninjutsu.
    The uzumaki are not the only ones with fuinjustu(FJN)
    Everything else you said.
    1. It never states that. Only that they are distant relatives, which helps my point.
    2. It never shows him with the Rinnengan before his battle with the Juubi. Look at my "Question" under point one.
    3. I explain how he won in the thread. He sealed it though remember? What clan was hailed as having the greatest seals.
    4. Show ONE Uzumaki using a ninjutsu, just one, dont care what the jutsu is.
     
         

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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by SageMode 23 View Post
    Well that can go either way bro...as there are more than one versions of manga tranlations...when I read it..I specifically remember her sayin "ninjutsu style". And her stating she wasn't any good at ninjutsu is not solid proof of her "not being able to"..let's not forget that naruto isn't good at ninjutsu either as he is forced to use clones for a jutsu that doesn't even involve hand signs and sage mode is not a ninjutsu so that's out....what's left?? Nothing..he is half namikaze and half uzumaki but just like his mother is not very good at ninjutsu..something he inherited from her..

    Edit. Ps...I didn't mean to come off as an ass when I said end of dicussion ...I meant about the uzumakis. Not being able to use ninjutsu....other than that the thread was good.. rep
    No, I appreciate the insight. I dont think you were being an ass. I was hoping some one would come at me with manga evidence and you have at least done that. However, if that is the only leg to stand on I have to say it isn't strong enough. If you are implying Kushina could do multiple shadow clones, rasengan, sage mode and any other "technique", "jutsu" Naruto can do, I believe you are mistaken. I think she meant the way he goes about things. There is no evidence to support otherwise.

    Edit: While yes, her stating that she is not good at it is not solid proof I believe the fact that we have never seen any Uzumaki perform any kind of ninjutsu (including her) is solid proof.
     
         
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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

    Quote Originally Posted by Tebows Youth Group View Post
    You didn't read the thread?

    If you did the answer is in there I promise...
    You promoted the idea that so6p was initially uzumaki therefore he could not use ninjutsu

    But you seem to forget that the so6p is not just uzumaki, he is also senju, those who can use ninjutsu of the highest level, the sage is skilled in using sealing techniques but so are the senju, the uzumaki are somewhat related to the so6p through the senju's which furthers adds to the fact the he is skilled in sealing techs but doesn't diminish his ability to use ninjutsu.

    Now the picture you post is most likely the sage controlling the jubbi with his rennigan,
    Gedo mazou is controlled by the rennigan(note:gedo mazou is the shell of the juubi) if a watered down rennigan of madara Is capable of controlling the shell of the Jubbi what stops the sage's rennigan from controlling the real thing ?
     
         
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    Re: The End All Debate on the SO6P

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    No, I appreciate the insight. I dont think you were being an ass. I was hoping some one would come at me with manga evidence and you have at least done that. However, if that is the only leg to stand on I have to say it isn't strong enough. If you are implying Kushina could do multiple shadow clones, rasengan, sage mode and any other "technique", "jutsu" Naruto can do, I believe you are mistaken. I think she meant the way he goes about things. There is no evidence to support otherwise.
    Sage mode and rasengans.? No.. I was just stating the things that naruto has that ARE NOT ninjutsu since he isn't proficient in that area just like his mother
    She wasn't "any good" at ninjutsu she said that meaning she had to had tried and found herself to be lacking in skill..but at the end of the day..both our opinions r just that...opinions..because only kishi knows...I too made a point that the sage was an uzumaki so I agree with most of ur thread...I was also going to write a fanfic about it. But anyway back to the main topic...its all up for debate..neither one of us has "solid" proof..we have a few pages and opinions...everything is up for debate...I will say this...I respect ur intelligence and way of thinking...its a sigh of relief to debate with someone intelligent on this site...lol
     
         

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