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    Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    (Note: This is based on Kisame, spewing water everywhere at the start.)

    So, what does Kisame have?

    Raw Speed
    Both Shippuden encounters with Gai has shown us that is pushed to open nearly all the gates for him to match and overwhelm him, despite being someone who focuses almost solely on high-speed taijutsu.



    Kisame easily dodged Gai's attack just previous to this and at this point managed to quick fire a jutsu at Gai and carry on escaping. He has also been shown to match Bee's speed prior to this, albeit barely.

    Monstrous Endurance and Strength

    During his encounter with Asuma, he was able to easily match Asuma who was using two chakra blades and using maximum effort, whilst Kisame was wielding Samehada with one hand, holding it at the tip.



    He has even survived Hirudora; despite it being a one-hit kill technique.



    Even after that, he broke out of Yamato's stocks and stopped Aoba from reading his mind.

    Abnormally high levels of Chakra

    Named "The Tailless Tailed Beast", many characters have commented on his large chakra supplies. Neji commented on the fact that his chakra supplies are comparable to that of Narutos.



    Moving on to Sandaime Raikage...

    Monstrous Endurance and Strength

    Manage to fend of 10,000 Shinobi for three days straight presumably without any aid from pills.



    He's also managed to repeatedly restrain the Hachibi when it's Jinchuriki lost control.

    High levels of Chakra

    He has shown us that he can use one of the Treasured Tools, Kohaku no Jouhei, which he used to seal the Hachibi.



    Proficiency with Lightning

    Able to use the Lightning Armour, his famed dangerous Hell Stab technique and his Black Lightning, few are able to match his Lightning prowess.



    So, who wins?

    I believe Kisame wins, why? For the most part, they can cancel each other out but, there is one problem for the Raikage. Lightning's unique relationship with Water. Water can conduct and empower Lightning techniques and essentially throw the attacks users back at them, for this reason alone, Kisame wins.
     
         
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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    In the world of Naruto, water and electricity are on an equal playing field.

    3rd Raikage shits on Kisame's chest.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased King View Post
    In the world of Naruto, water and electricity are on an equal playing field.

    3rd Raikage shits on Kisame's chest.
    Not always. When a Lightning style user tries to conduct their electricity through water, Samehada could absorb it. There's also the mirror effect when a person tries to do that whilst in physical contact with water themselves, they end up paralysing themselves. And most of the time, Kisame makes sure that there is plenty of water around, making him the Raikage's natural enemy. For most other abilities, they are similar anyway.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    Not always. When a Lightning style user tries to conduct their electricity through water, Samehada could absorb it.
    Evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    There's also the mirror effect when a person tries to do that whilst in physical contact with water themselves, they end up paralysing themselves.
    Maybe in Poke'mon.

    There has not been one instance where an example of this happened in Naruto.

    The rule of five elements: an element is strong to one and weak to one, no more and no less.

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Nature_Transformation

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    And most of the time, Kisame makes sure that there is plenty of water around, making him the Raikage's natural enemy.
    But don't you think that it is biased to put Kisame in an advantaged field?

    If they fought in an open field or in the desert, what would be the outcome?
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased King View Post
    Evidence?



    Maybe in Poke'mon.

    There has not been one instance where an example of this happened in Naruto.

    The rule of five elements: an element is strong to one and weak to one, no more and no less.

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Nature_Transformation



    But don't you think that it is biased to put Kisame in an advantaged field?

    If they fought in an open field or in the desert, what would be the outcome?
    1) Pretty obvious, it's still just a chakra based jutsu.
    2) I'm shooting your source back at you "Lightning also has a unique relation with water, since water conducts electricity. This means that a Water Release technique can be used to increase the damage of a Lightning Release technique and vice versa. Though this also means that if one's opponent still has a physical connection with the water, either a pre-existing source or one created with their own chakra, then they can be paralysed via their own technique." - From Narutopedia.
    3)It's not bias, it's the most logical scenario. I think most people understand that Sandaime would ass-pound Kisame in a dry area.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    1) Pretty obvious, it's still just a chakra based jutsu.
    Obviousness is not concrete proof.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    2) I'm shooting your source back at you "Lightning also has a unique relation with water, since water conducts electricity. This means that a Water Release technique can be used to increase the damage of a Lightning Release technique and vice versa. Though this also means that if one's opponent still has a physical connection with the water, either a pre-existing source or one created with their own chakra, then they can be paralysed via their own technique." - From Narutopedia.
    Granted. :ghehe:

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    3)It's not bias, it's the most logical scenario. I think most people understand that Sandaime would ass-pound Kisame in a dry area.
    Why is it the most logical scenario? Because it is most logical for your stance?

    What if I said that Kisame and the 3rd should fight during a severe thunderstorm in an open field, would this be biased or "logical" for the 3rd's benefit?

    If it is the case of the latter, then how can anyone gauge a versus thread if instead of providing an equal playing field for both, the setting favors one and disadvantages another?
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Actually I agree that Kisame could probably do pretty well against the 3rd. The only true problem is if Hell Stab is too much for Samehada to absorbed (which would be strange since it can absorb 6 tails of Bee's V1 cloak). He can also heal with the chakra he's drained. The biggest problem is actually hurting the Raikage but he COULD always just drown him. Conducting electricity in the water shouldn't work well since Kisame could just absorb it. Black Lightning is a toss up although I'd also say that he could absorb that (absorbing Bee's Futon-piercing level raiton attacks doesn't hurt his chances either).
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    kisame head will be cut of, as we see him vs killer bee V2 but think of it with LA and Hell Stab
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Kisame gets annihilated
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    The only way Kisame could win is if he hits him with the Great Water Shark bullet which isn't happening. Or two hits him samehada without getting hurt which also isn't happening.

    Kisame can't hit the 3rd. The 3rd is fast enough to hit Kisame. The 3rd can outlast Kisame. Kisame isn't winning no matter which way you look at it.

    Also lightning release users can also take more damage from lightning than non users. Shown when Sasuke tanked a lightning + water combo attack.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by ' ~ Dantee ~ ' View Post
    The only way Kisame could win is if he hits him with the Great Water Shark bullet which isn't happening. Or two hits him samehada without getting hurt which also isn't happening.

    Kisame can't hit the 3rd. The 3rd is fast enough to hit Kisame. The 3rd can outlast Kisame. Kisame isn't winning no matter which way you look at it.

    Also lightning release users can also take more damage from lightning than non users. Shown when Sasuke tanked a lightning + water combo attack.
    Theoretically, Kisame doesn't need to hit him. If getting to Kisame means being surrounded in a water, which it will, TR keeps zapping himself anyway because he'd always be in physical contact with Water.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    Theoretically, Kisame doesn't need to hit him. If getting to Kisame means being surrounded in a water, which it will, TR keeps zapping himself anyway because he'd always be in physical contact with Water.
    But wouldn't the the 3rds lightning armor protect him from being electricuted? As A's lightning armor protected him from Sasukes chidori.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    Theoretically, Kisame doesn't need to hit him. If getting to Kisame means being surrounded in a water, which it will, TR keeps zapping himself anyway because he'd always be in physical contact with Water.
    Do you think the Third is an idiot or something why would he hurt himself like that? Dont get mindless Edo Third to an actual kage with some sense.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    This isn't a troll thread, is it?

    No, Third Raikage stomps
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Kisame wins if he merges with Samehada since can sense chakra and evade the Third Raikage like Naruto did then all he needs to do his grab him to suck his chakra since his skin absorbs chakra when he's merged with Samehada.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    3rd Raikage wins.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    It depends on the density of the water, if it's very deep, (seemingly it is because Kisame has enough space to roam around freely, that could slow him down considerably, and considering that if he's uses LRA in the water area, he might not be able to attack back, unless Black Lightning somehow evades the normal mirror effect....
    If Bee can swim around in it at the rate of a regular swimmer, then Raikage should have no problem zipping in and out of it. Even if his LRA affects the water dome, the likely hood of it harming it via the mirror effect would be next to none, considering he could tank a Rasenshuriken head on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzumaki16 View Post
    Kisame wins if he merges with Samehada since can sense chakra and evade the Third Raikage like Naruto did then all he needs to do his grab him to suck his chakra since his skin absorbs chakra when he's merged with Samehada.
    Sage mode senses natural energy, not chakra. Also, how is Kisame going to catch arguably the fastest shinobi in the Narutoverse?
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased King View Post
    If Bee can swim around in it at the rate of a regular swimmer, then Raikage should have no problem zipping in and out of it. Even if his LRA affects the water dome, the likely hood of it harming it via the mirror effect would be next to none, considering he could tank a Rasenshuriken head on.



    Sage mode senses natural energy, not chakra. Also, how is Kisame going to catch arguably the fastest shinobi in the Narutoverse?
    If he buzzes himself because of LRA, he could stall himself for a second or so, and in the Narutoverse, every second counts. If Kisame does merge, then yes, he can sense him out because Samehada is a quasi-sensor.

    The speed thing is common in Naruto. How does Madara keep up with Naruto when his speed is on par with FTG? You can't win just by being able to blitz people.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    If he buzzes himself because of LRA, he could stall himself for a second or so, and in the Narutoverse, every second counts.
    I don't understand this much, could you explain it a bit more?
    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    If Kisame does merge, then yes, he can sense him out because Samehada is a quasi-sensor.
    The manga does not support this statement at all; Samehada has never been shown to be able to sense anything other than chakra, in a pinpoint-perspective of speaking.

    Indeed, Samehada could sense him, but it would not grant Kisame the same abilities in counter/reflex the Sage Mode grants Naruto.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    The speed thing is common in Naruto. How does Madara keep up with Naruto when his speed is on par with FTG? You can't win just by being able to blitz people.
    Naruto never used his FTG-like speed against Madara. If you can find an instance of this, I'd take that back.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Raiton > Suiton

    nuff said.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased King View Post
    I don't understand this much, could you explain it a bit more?
    The manga does not support this statement at all; Samehada has never been shown to be able to sense anything other than chakra, in a pinpoint-perspective of speaking.

    Indeed, Samehada could sense him, but it would not grant Kisame the same abilities in counter/reflex the Sage Mode grants Naruto.

    Naruto never used his FTG-like speed against Madara. If you can find an instance of this, I'd take that back.
    Quote Originally Posted by PretaPath View Post
    Raiton > Suiton

    nuff said.
    If Sandaime tries to attack whilst in the zone with LRA active, buzzing himself could potentially paralyze him for a second or so, and with Kisame not being slow, especially if fused with Samehada, who Sabu even noted was faster whilst fused.

    Around chapter 601, when Naruto attacked and Madara blocked his attack with his gunbai, I remember on the last picture, Naruto was gone.. like a flash.

    @PretaPath Prove it.
     
         

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    Re: Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    If Sandaime tries to attack whilst in the zone with LRA active, buzzing himself could potentially paralyze him for a second or so,
    Even if I were to accept this argument, if Sandaime is paralyzed for a second or so as you presume with his uncomparable LRA, do you think Kisame would walk away with a scratch? No, he'd be fried.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    and with Kisame not being slow, especially if fused with Samehada, who Sabu even noted was faster whilst fused.
    Once again, Kisame's added speed with his fusion does not come close to the lightspeed of LRA. In fact, it doesn't even have to be circumstantial that the 3rd LRA's AFTER Kisame creates the dome; Both A and the 3rd use it at the beginning of their ALL their fights.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlacLord View Post
    Around chapter 601, when Naruto attacked and Madara blocked his attack with his gunbai, I remember on the last picture, Naruto was gone.. like a flash.
    Actually after reviewing that chapter, Naruto didn't move FTG-like, in fact he didn't even shunshin. I stand by my statement.
     
         

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