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    Re: Your Political Ideology

    ^^^^

    Socialism has advantages but the disadvantages outweigh the advantages
     
         
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    So failing once should cost you your entire adult life?
    You're entire adult life is 18-65 on average I believe. If you mess up once and can't manage to fix it in 50 years, then you didn't try hard enough.
     
         

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    Re: Your Political Ideology

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    -Debt was caused by poor management
    -US prisons are crowded because of high population
    -The 1% figure is completely false
    -Financial problems were caused by poor management

    To find out which system works and which does not is simple. Just look at California and Texas.

    California is close to the way you want things to run. Do you know what the state's financial position is currently? California is bankrupt.
    Texas is the opposite. Do you know what the state's financial position is currently? Growing.

    You listed those socialist countries like Sweden but to support their way of living they have a HUGE tax and if they do not get enough money to support their socialism then they will end up like Greece and some other EU countries that are collapsing.
    That's kinda how it works The government takes a 'huge' chunk of your income in exchange for complete and utter financial security in every imginable situation.
    We pay a huge percentage in taxes, but, in exchange, our income is much higher. With more money in our wallets, we spend more on different goods. It's simply a larger wheel of profit. We're payed more, our jobs are more secure, we have very few poor, we're one of the most educated nations in the world, etcetera.
    Socialism works. Just sayin'.

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    Re: Your Political Ideology

    I'm right, specifically I advocate enlightened absolute monarchy. Hitler was a socialist, good thing someone pointed that out here, because many people assume he was extreme righty, which is BS.
     
         

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    I'm right, specifically I advocate enlightened absolute monarchy. Hitler was a socialist, good thing someone pointed that out here, because many people assume he was extreme righty, which is BS.
    Hitler was a Nazi. It's a completely different ideology.
     
         

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    Does anybody here think Capitalism is almost like a game of monopoly? I would love to hear your reply
     
         

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    Hitler was a Nazi. It's a completely different ideology.
    Nazism is not completely different ideology from socialism. Intervention of gov't, controlling businesses to lower unemployment, hyperinflation, 4 year plan, deutsche arbeitsfront, and other shit - That's all socialism. The background of a nazi flag is also red, concentration camps were his version of gulags. Hitler WAS a socialist.
     
         

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    Yeah Hitler was all into Nazism and Fascism. I remember reading a while back he claimed to be a supporter of socialism to trick people into supporting him and once he gained power he revealed he was actually into fascism/Nazism tricking the fools. The word socialism was used by him to cause confusion
     
         
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    Capitalism depends on human suffering and extreme amounts of waste in order to work. Not a good system. Money should not be the issue. We aren't animals anymore. We should be combining our efforts to do more productive things... like immortality! If only people wised up that the current way we do things is self-destructive... If only our priorities were different then we could live forever. And the crazy thing is that we could do it TODAY if we really wanted to...
     
         

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    Re: Your Political Ideology

    Just want to add. No capitalism=no progress=monkeys on a tree
     
         

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    Re: Your Political Ideology

    Quote Originally Posted by drknght View Post
    Just want to add. No capitalism=no progress=monkeys on a tree
    intellectual advancement and progress are inherent to humans. It existed long before capitalism and will exist long after capitalism has died.
     
         

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    Re: Your Political Ideology

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    Just want to add. No capitalism=no progress=monkeys on a tree
    Preach it! Finally, intelligence has been added to the base...maybe there is hope for humanity.
     
         

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    Re: Your Political Ideology

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    Preach it! Finally, intelligence has been added to the base...maybe there is hope for humanity.
    your hope is misplaced...
    I for one do not believe in unnecessary waste and suffering. People should have a greater purpose in their lives other than 'Make money so I don't starve'.
     
         

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    Re: Your Political Ideology

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    your hope is misplaced...
    I for one do not believe in unnecessary waste and suffering. People should have a greater purpose in their lives other than 'Make money so I don't starve'.
    You know what I'm gonna do?
    I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadillac, El Dorado convertible
    Hot pink with whaleskin hub caps and all leather cow interior
    And big brown baby seal eyes for headlights, yeah

    And I'm gonna drive around in that baby at 115 mph
    Getting one mile per gallon, sucking down quarter pounder
    Cheese burgers from McDonald's in the old fashioned
    Non-biodegradable Styrofoam containers

    And when I'm done sucking down those grease ball burgers
    I'm gonna wipe my mouth with the American flag
    And then I'm gonna toss the Styrofoam container right out the side
    And there ain't a goddamned thing anybody can do about it

    You know why? Because we got the bombs, that's why
    Two words, nuclear f**king weapons, okay?
    Russia, Germany, Romania
    They can have all the democracy they want
    They can have a big democracy cake walk

    Right through the middle of Tienanmen square
    And it won't make a lick of difference Because we've got the bombs, okay? John Wayne's not dead
    He's frozen and as soon as we find the cure for cancer
    We're gonna thaw out the duke and he's gonna be pretty pissed off

    You know why? Have you ever taken a cold shower?
    Well multiple that by 15 million times
    That's how pissed off the Duke's gonna be..."

     
         

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    Re: Your Political Ideology

    anyone actually disagree with me? (besides trolls)
     
         

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    Re: Your Political Ideology

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    intellectual advancement and progress are inherent to humans. It existed long before capitalism and will exist long after capitalism has died.
    You're an anarchist, aren't you? Only differences contribute to progress.
     
         

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    Re: Your Political Ideology

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    You're an anarchist, aren't you? Only differences contribute to progress.
    on the contrary, proper government and management will be key in the future. I am a proponent of strong gov't
     
         

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    Nazism is not completely different ideology from socialism. Intervention of gov't, controlling businesses to lower unemployment, hyperinflation, 4 year plan, deutsche arbeitsfront, and other shit - That's all socialism. The background of a nazi flag is also red, concentration camps were his version of gulags. Hitler WAS a socialist.
    -Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name as Hitler at the time instead preferred to use "Social Revolutionary". Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined socialism as meaning a commitment of an individual to a community. Hitler claimed that true socialism does not repudiate private property unlike the claims of Marxism, and claimed that the "Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning" and said that "Communism is not socialism. Marxism is not socialism." Nazism favoured private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class differences. The Nazis outlawed strikes by employees and lockouts by employers, because these were regarded a threat to national unity. Instead, the state controlled and approved wage and salary levels.- (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism)

    This has nothing to do with Socialism o_o Just because it's called National Socialism, doesn't mean that it is Socialism.

    Quote Originally Posted by drknght View Post
    Just want to add. No capitalism=no progress=monkeys on a tree
    Implying you have any arguments to support that claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by BMN View Post
    on the contrary, proper government and management will be key in the future. I am a proponent of strong gov't
    (Y) With a proper election-system to boot.
     
         

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    Re: Your Political Ideology

    Dear lord, people if you know nothing about politics, please, don't post here.

    First of all: If you say China is a socialist country, you're wrong. Do not in any way google socialism but go read a book instead. Second of all, yes China is a "communist" country, except for one small thing. It isn't. China used to be a communist country at one point, as the USSR tried to gain allies in the cold war. Same thing why the Vietnam war actually occurred. Try to let go of your patriotic view and actually look at facts (which you don't always learn at school), then discuss it. The only problem is that nothing in China is even remotely communistic nowadays. They are easily one of the world leaders, even more so than the US or Russia. Simply look at the basic numbers. They are still a country that is in huge economical and industrial development, yet they still have one of the most steady economies in the world. I could go and explain why this is, but I suggest you read up on why this is so. Even their governing leadership system isn't remotely on par with what communism has in mind for it. There is no leadership, or at least no leadership that stands above others in communism. The proletariat rules the country, that's the fundamental idea behind it.

    The biggest issue with communism is that, in theory it sounds sweet, it can't be done. Simply because of the urge of people to differentiate themselves and the fact that our opinion and society dictates upon us that we should actually have a high degree, that we should have a job and status that is seen as socially acceptable or even socially looked up to.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a socialist myself (yet again, go read about what socialism really is) but it needs to be practical. Now, I'm from Belgium myself. In itself, the system we maintain is quite socialistic. We pay a large amount of taxes to the government that they redistribute to the people. I think people in Belgium pay around, what, 50% of their money to taxes? Most people would find this insane, but all in all most people make a good living for themselves, while still benefitting from what the government has to offer us: Healthcare, one of the best educational systems in the world, a steady system and most of all a lot of social security.

    I personally have to say that I never got the idea behind "The American Dream". All I see in the idea that is has is capitalistic propaganda that is outdated and doesn't relate to our time anymore. The USA was founded (or well, called itself independent) around 1770-ish somewhere, if I'm not mistaken (yes, I'm too lazy to actually google the exact date as I really don't see the relevance either on this topic). That makes it clear that "The American Dream" and reasoning behind it in itself is outdated. It was a super duper nice idea to have when you still had the industrial revolution going on, but just be honest with yourself for a second. Since the industrial revolution occurred, birth rates have sky-rocketed, globally speaking people live much longer, and there is a much higher rate of globalization as well. That in itself puts forward a NEED and REQUIREMENT for at least a basic foundation, and (in my opinion) a higher layer above that of social security as well. The basic principle behind "The American Dream" is the principle behind capitalism as well. Every man for himself, get rich or die trying (I just quoted 50 cent here, I'm so coolio right now), screw the rest, I'm the best! and what not. The problem is that this only works if you have a constant system of growth and prosperity, something which is just as impossible as communism working. Look at the crisis we have at hand now. American banks were just handing out money to everyone, people were buying stuff with a credit card all over the place. This leaves people with a constant small amount of debts each month that they have to pay off. Over time, the amounts became so big all together that it was IMPOSSIBLE to pay it off. Can you really go ahead and say that this is the system of prosperity and longevity? Sure, you could just throw in the argument that people should not buy stuff that they can't afford, or work harder for it, but let's be honest, our system doesn't allow that! Capitalism, and especially marketing and advertisement nowadays plays on the human psychology. YOU NEED AN IPHONE TO BE HIP! Let's face it, would you rather be the cool kid with the new Iphone, or would you rather be the kid that sits by the dumpster and gets food thrown at him (sorry to make this weird and perhaps rude statement, but I'm just trying to make a point here. I'm not trying to insult someone). It's pretty obvious which of the two anyone in here wants to be, but the point is that it's impossible to maintain this lifestyle, and by concluding that, capitalism is just a system that is impossible to maintain in the long run as well.

    Now, don't get me wrong, and I'm sure a lot of Americans (Sorry guys, I have no quarrel with Americans, but I just like to point it out since you guys make it so easy ^_^) will hate me for saying this, considering the recent elections. I love the idea behind capitalism as much as the idea behind communism, but neither is possible because both of them are extremes. It's impossible for everyone to be equal, but it's just as impossible for everyone (despite the reason, and I think a lot of people need to stop thinking so radical about this) to make something out of themselves. So what I'm a supporter of is simply Socialistic Capitalism. I guess Obama somewhat does this, but I won't get in to that just yet. I like capitalism, but I am dead serious when I say that it's IMPOSSIBLE without any kind of restrictions put onto it by the government, or certain guidelines and what not. I don't mind companies going super big and rich, but I do mind companies having a monopoly on an entire market. It's not good for the consumer, or simply said the people. I don't mind companies making a lot of money, but I do mind those companies paying out big ass cheques to their CEO's while they fire thousands of people a the same time. I don't mind companies exponentially growing, but I do mind when it happens at the cost of something that shouldn't be so high. I hope you guys are getting where I'm coming from/at. Regulation is something that will always be needed. If not, there is always a certain group that abuses the system. This is to go in against all the people that say "hey, people abuse the system and still complain while they're lazy as hell!". Same goes for the companies, no?

    Now, as for the Obama issue, I said I'd go in on it later on, but I don't feel like doing that after all, since I probably don't have enough knowledge about it, and even if I do, these kind of discussions tend to be filled with "fanboyerism"-tendencies, so I'm wisely staying off that touchy subject.

    Anyways, I just wanted to throw that out there. A little bit of respect and understanding for other ways of thinking gets you a long way, and you might just be a little shocked when you reach the point where you see that your previous PoV actually wasn't all that almighty.
     
         

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    Re: Your Political Ideology

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    -Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name as Hitler at the time instead preferred to use "Social Revolutionary". Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined socialism as meaning a commitment of an individual to a community. Hitler claimed that true socialism does not repudiate private property unlike the claims of Marxism, and claimed that the "Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning" and said that "Communism is not socialism. Marxism is not socialism." Nazism favoured private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class differences. The Nazis outlawed strikes by employees and lockouts by employers, because these were regarded a threat to national unity. Instead, the state controlled and approved wage and salary levels.- (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism)

    This has nothing to do with Socialism o_o Just because it's called National Socialism, doesn't mean that it is Socialism.
    After taking power, in 1933 headquarters of NSDAP decided to change the model of economy. They maintained private ownership, but it was regulated by gov't. Apparatus party-state was controlling stocks, prices, structure of production, etc. Business owners were turned into Betriebsführer, or factory leader. It is socialism/national socialism. Hitler was a socialist or even worse, fascist.
     
         

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