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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286805
    Issue: Time frame, the order in which techniques occur.
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: Well how I see it is as follows; Deva & Preta Path (Opponent's) > Knuckle's Maximum Break (Mine) > Earth Motion Technique (Opponent's) > Storm Leg Victorious Bird (Mine) > Chakra Sensing (Opponent's) > Frozen fang Regeneration Ability (Mine) > Wind Release: Tornado Spiral (Opponent's).
    But reading Drizzeh's last counter it seems like he managed to activate chakra sensing, detect that my sword was approaching, thus move away to long range (avoiding all possible attacks from the sword) and then using that same wind technique to counter Victorious Bird. Where Victorious Bird was the first visual possible technique that my character performed having 10+ Ninjutsu Damage meaning a rank of Forbidden. I don't know if Drizzeh's character was able to pull of three things while my technique was initiated even before chakra sensing, as Drizzeh himself quotes; "This is done to sense if there may be any other incoming techniques which may have been created by Blizzard in the cloud of dust and scatter of rocks earlier." That means the dust was already formed by my kick projectile. Clarification will be much appreciated.
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to Fight: Selen vs. Kiritsugu
    Issue: Timeframe, and possibly the use of Water Dragon Biting Explosion
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: Im just incredibly confused on our time-frame and where I should continue off of his move. By the time-frame, since he counters my Fire Birds with the Water Dragon, wouldn't I have to defend instead of creating the Swamp? But then he continues as if the swamp would be made. Also, nothing major, but i've never seen the water technique he used be able to send the dragon off into a different direction. Usually, the water dragon composed of the bullets of water would crush the target downwards, not go off in a different direction to attack away from the water source. I dont agree with it completely blocking my vision either, because it arcs from above. Id still have full view of him. Just want clarification on it.
     
         
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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Selendrile View Post
    Link to Fight: Selen vs. Kiritsugu
    Issue: Timeframe, and possibly the use of Water Dragon Biting Explosion
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: Im just incredibly confused on our time-frame and where I should continue off of his move. By the time-frame, since he counters my Fire Birds with the Water Dragon, wouldn't I have to defend instead of creating the Swamp? But then he continues as if the swamp would be made. Also, nothing major, but i've never seen the water technique he used be able to send the dragon off into a different direction. Usually, the water dragon composed of the bullets of water would crush the target downwards, not go off in a different direction to attack away from the water source. Just want clarification on it.
    Here is our discussion upon the subject for uh, more information.
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to Fight: Clicky
    Issue: My issue lies with his CJ - chakra sensing snow.
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: In this CJ it has not been mentioned that it is able to detect jutsus as well.... the only thing the CJ mentions explicitly is that it would sense the opponent's location. On top of that, even if the jutsu does allow him to know that there was an incoming jutsu, I doubt it will let him know which elemental manipulation it was. For all he knew it could have been a gigantic wave of water or a fire jutsu itself or a lightning jutsu.

    note: Just for reference, he was supposed to be blind for this turn due to his earlier F ranked jutsu usage as a drawback.
     
         
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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to fight:http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286821
    Winner: General Teno
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to the fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286808
    Winner: -Castiel-
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Anduril View Post
    Link to Fight: Clicky
    Issue: My issue lies with his CJ - chakra sensing snow.
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: In this CJ it has not been mentioned that it is able to detect jutsus as well.... the only thing the CJ mentions explicitly is that it would sense the opponent's location. On top of that, even if the jutsu does allow him to know that there was an incoming jutsu, I doubt it will let him know which elemental manipulation it was. For all he knew it could have been a gigantic wave of water or a fire jutsu itself or a lightning jutsu.

    note: Just for reference, he was supposed to be blind for this turn due to his earlier F ranked jutsu usage as a drawback.

    Your Reasoning of the Issue: I don't know why there is even a discussion here. Chakra sensing snow. Your techniques are based on chakra , thus it can sense them. Same with Rain Tiger At Will techniqus, just here it's snow
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to the fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286784
    Winner: Typhon
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Blizzàrd View Post
    Link to Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286805
    Issue: Time frame, the order in which techniques occur.
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: Well how I see it is as follows; Deva & Preta Path (Opponent's) > Knuckle's Maximum Break (Mine) > Earth Motion Technique (Opponent's) > Storm Leg Victorious Bird (Mine) > Chakra Sensing (Opponent's) > Frozen fang Regeneration Ability (Mine) > Wind Release: Tornado Spiral (Opponent's).
    But reading Drizzeh's last counter it seems like he managed to activate chakra sensing, detect that my sword was approaching, thus move away to long range (avoiding all possible attacks from the sword) and then using that same wind technique to counter Victorious Bird. Where Victorious Bird was the first visual possible technique that my character performed having 10+ Ninjutsu Damage meaning a rank of Forbidden. I don't know if Drizzeh's character was able to pull of three things while my technique was initiated even before chakra sensing, as Drizzeh himself quotes; "This is done to sense if there may be any other incoming techniques which may have been created by Blizzard in the cloud of dust and scatter of rocks earlier." That means the dust was already formed by my kick projectile. Clarification will be much appreciated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Selendrile View Post
    Link to Fight: Selen vs. Kiritsugu
    Issue: Timeframe, and possibly the use of Water Dragon Biting Explosion
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: Im just incredibly confused on our time-frame and where I should continue off of his move. By the time-frame, since he counters my Fire Birds with the Water Dragon, wouldn't I have to defend instead of creating the Swamp? But then he continues as if the swamp would be made. Also, nothing major, but i've never seen the water technique he used be able to send the dragon off into a different direction. Usually, the water dragon composed of the bullets of water would crush the target downwards, not go off in a different direction to attack away from the water source. I dont agree with it completely blocking my vision either, because it arcs from above. Id still have full view of him. Just want clarification on it.
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    Here is our discussion upon the subject for uh, more information.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anduril View Post
    Link to Fight: Clicky
    Issue: My issue lies with his CJ - chakra sensing snow.
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: In this CJ it has not been mentioned that it is able to detect jutsus as well.... the only thing the CJ mentions explicitly is that it would sense the opponent's location. On top of that, even if the jutsu does allow him to know that there was an incoming jutsu, I doubt it will let him know which elemental manipulation it was. For all he knew it could have been a gigantic wave of water or a fire jutsu itself or a lightning jutsu.

    note: Just for reference, he was supposed to be blind for this turn due to his earlier F ranked jutsu usage as a drawback.
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    Link to the fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286808
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akisha View Post
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: I don't know why there is even a discussion here. Chakra sensing snow. Your techniques are based on chakra , thus it can sense them. Same with Rain Tiger At Will techniqus, just here it's snow
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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...95#post9432995
    Issue: I believe he's dead, i don't believe he has enough time to do that counter
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: my CW reaches him at high speeds, he has no time to use pillars
     
         
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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286976
    Issue: Realitsic timeframe breach
    Your Reasoning of the Issue:

    He claims to be able to bite his thumb, make 4 seals, slam his hand on the floor and the summoning seal expand into mid range to me, before i even can slam my own hand on the floor, as this is the first visible act he can actually react to.
     
         
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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...10#post9436810
    Issue: I dont think he can see me with his sharingan
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: He has stated that he is at the edge of long range and mid range as well as 10 meters underground. Then he states that he can see my chakra signature move through all of that solid earth. While the 3t has been shown to see through some earth i just dont think he'd be able to see that far. Also, wouldnt he be unable to do this since I said that I start going upwards while hes moving the earth 20 m downward?
     
         
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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    Link to Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...10#post9436810
    Issue: I dont think he can see me with his sharingan
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: He has stated that he is at the edge of long range and id range as well as 10 meters underground. Then he states that he can see my chakra signature move through all of that solid earth. While the 3t has been shown to see through some earth i just dont think he'd be able to see that far.

    Your Reasoning of the Issue:

    There has never been a rule stating how far through earth the Sharingan can see I also did the same months ago against the Pervy sage when I was attaining the 3 tomoe sharingan and he never stated a problem with it
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by -Minato- View Post
    Link to Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286976
    Issue: Realitsic timeframe breach
    Your Reasoning of the Issue:

    He claims to be able to bite his thumb, make 4 seals, slam his hand on the floor and the summoning seal expand into mid range to me, before i even can slam my own hand on the floor, as this is the first visible act he can actually react to.
    Your Reasoning of the Issue:

    Fortunately for me, that's not how the technique works exactly. Jiraiya used this technique during the fight versus one of the pains, and didn't require him any hand signs. Or slapping a scripting on the floor.

    Also I did like to add, that I've several times used the technique like this in official battles such as these Tournament ones, where we have had SY, Mugi and more judges to overview the fight, where they didn't deem it a missue of the technique but it worked as described in my move.

    A good example: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...=1#post5499567 (The hand sign wasn't a requirement.)

    So I can't see how it is a problem now? And if it really is, I can't see how it can be a deciding factor in the fight - It's not like your making the earth un-useable kills me. If it's deemed a timeframe breach, I merely finish off my jutsu after the floor have emerged and you still get warped into the stomach of a toad.
     
         
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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Better View Post
    Link to Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...95#post9432995
    Issue: I believe he's dead, i don't believe he has enough time to do that counter
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: my CW reaches him at high speeds, he has no time to use pillars
    Quote Originally Posted by -Minato- View Post
    Link to Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286976
    Issue: Realitsic timeframe breach
    Your Reasoning of the Issue:

    He claims to be able to bite his thumb, make 4 seals, slam his hand on the floor and the summoning seal expand into mid range to me, before i even can slam my own hand on the floor, as this is the first visible act he can actually react to.
    Quote Originally Posted by -Broly- View Post
    Link to Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...10#post9436810
    Issue: I dont think he can see me with his sharingan
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: He has stated that he is at the edge of long range and mid range as well as 10 meters underground. Then he states that he can see my chakra signature move through all of that solid earth. While the 3t has been shown to see through some earth i just dont think he'd be able to see that far. Also, wouldnt he be unable to do this since I said that I start going upwards while hes moving the earth 20 m downward?
    Quote Originally Posted by Shanks.. View Post
    Your Reasoning of the Issue:

    There has never been a rule stating how far through earth the Sharingan can see I also did the same months ago against the Pervy sage when I was attaining the 3 tomoe sharingan and he never stated a problem with it
    Quote Originally Posted by Gobi Gobletsson View Post
    Your Reasoning of the Issue:

    Fortunately for me, that's not how the technique works exactly. Jiraiya used this technique during the fight versus one of the pains, and didn't require him any hand signs. Or slapping a scripting on the floor.

    Also I did like to add, that I've several times used the technique like this in official battles such as these Tournament ones, where we have had SY, Mugi and more judges to overview the fight, where they didn't deem it a missue of the technique but it worked as described in my move.

    A good example: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...=1#post5499567 (The hand sign wasn't a requirement.)

    So I can't see how it is a problem now? And if it really is, I can't see how it can be a deciding factor in the fight - It's not like your making the earth un-useable kills me. If it's deemed a timeframe breach, I merely finish off my jutsu after the floor have emerged and you still get warped into the stomach of a toad.
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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to the fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286804
    Winner: Reborn
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Better View Post
    Link to Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...95#post9432995
    Issue: I believe he's dead, i don't believe he has enough time to do that counter
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: my CW reaches him at high speeds, he has no time to use pillars
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: I believe my jutsu could indeed hit him. From what we've seen of the Jutsu, it can be done extremely quickly. Combined with the fact that my Law bio can do Earth techniques faster than normal since it's his specialty, this means it should happen even faster. This would allow me to hit him even before his fires his chakra blast. This won't violate the timeframe rules as the CW itself counts as his "first jutsu" that I must allow to happen, evident from the template a CW has to follow. I know the match has been deemed over, but I still want to show my side.
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to Fight:http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286832
    Issue: Using jutsu while under a genjutsu
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: I'm not sure if an opponent under a genjutsu (who has made no attempt to break it) can use two jutsu that require fast kneading of chakra while his chakra flow is currently being altered. Can we get a judgement on the first part of this fight?
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to Fight: Oraan Vs Howard
    Issue: Well its not invalid Defense, but Insufficient Defense.
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: I cast him in a gen jutsu, where he made a bunch of snakes come out of his sleeves to surround him and bite him to get out of it. (No problem with the way he got out of the gen, however he coupled this as a defense) . This technique is only A Ranked. He himself stated the technique I used was around Strong S ranked now, so his defense would be insufficient, the ground also gets turned to lava, and he did not stop that either.
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Oraan View Post
    Link to Fight: Oraan Vs Howard
    Issue: Well its not invalid Defense, but Insufficient Defense.
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: I cast him in a gen jutsu, where he made a bunch of snakes come out of his sleeves to surround him and bite him to get out of it. (No problem with the way he got out of the gen, however he coupled this as a defense) . This technique is only A Ranked. He himself stated the technique I used was around Strong S ranked now, so his defense would be insufficient, the ground also gets turned to lava, and he did not stop that either.
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: The snake's bodies would block the heat from reaching me as it's a wave. A rank or not the snakes are blocking the heat wave from reaching me. Obviously they're dead but I don't think the heat wave would reach me (imo). If the heat doesn't reach me then it doesn't reach the ground directly below me meaning that the ground directly below me isn't turned to lava.
     
         
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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to fight: [RP Tournament Round #1] Dante.. Vs Sindy
    Issue: Counter against the Lightning Release: Four-Pillar Bind
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: I don't agree that the Four Pillar bind could be countered this way, since the pillars are made around her while the Wind Release: Pressure Damage which she used to counter is a one directional Wind blast, if she targeted all of the pillars in order to prevent them from releasing the lightning the blast would have to be released in the middle of the pillars and the pressure takes care of the rest, but it will also mean for her to get sucked into the blast which will be harmful.
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link To Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286835
    Issue: Simultaneous Usage of Two Different Elements
    Your Reasoning Of The Issue: I believe the fact that he has to fuel wind chakra into his Flying Wind God technique every turn, disables him from using another elemental chakra at the same time, which in his situation, is lightning chakra. He would require Yin/Yang training for that. Even though the custom technique doesn't state that he is restricted only to wind techniques, many other techniques, both cannon (Nagashi, Beast Wave Palm, etc) and customs do not have a restriction placed on them that restricts them from using it's respective element while it is active, yet, everybody follows the Yin/Yang principle.

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Link to the fight: ~>Here<~
    Winner: 'Kurapika
     
         

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    Re: [Grand RP Tournament] Xmas Edition - Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by -Yusuke- View Post
    Link To Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286835
    Issue: Simultaneous Usage of Two Different Elements
    Your Reasoning Of The Issue: I believe the fact that he has to fuel wind chakra into his Flying Wind God technique every turn, disables him from using another elemental chakra at the same time, which in his situation, is lightning chakra. He would require Yin/Yang training for that. Even though the custom technique doesn't state that he is restricted only to wind techniques, many other techniques, both cannon (Nagashi, Beast Wave Palm, etc) and customs do not have a restriction placed on them that restricts them from using it's respective element while it is active, yet, everybody follows the Yin/Yang principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinta View Post
    Link to the fight: ~>Here<~
    Winner: 'Kurapika
    Quote Originally Posted by Dante.. View Post
    Link to fight: [RP Tournament Round #1] Dante.. Vs Sindy
    Issue: Counter against the Lightning Release: Four-Pillar Bind
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: I don't agree that the Four Pillar bind could be countered this way, since the pillars are made around her while the Wind Release: Pressure Damage which she used to counter is a one directional Wind blast, if she targeted all of the pillars in order to prevent them from releasing the lightning the blast would have to be released in the middle of the pillars and the pressure takes care of the rest, but it will also mean for her to get sucked into the blast which will be harmful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: The snake's bodies would block the heat from reaching me as it's a wave. A rank or not the snakes are blocking the heat wave from reaching me. Obviously they're dead but I don't think the heat wave would reach me (imo). If the heat doesn't reach me then it doesn't reach the ground directly below me meaning that the ground directly below me isn't turned to lava.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oraan View Post
    Link to Fight: Oraan Vs Howard
    Issue: Well its not invalid Defense, but Insufficient Defense.
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: I cast him in a gen jutsu, where he made a bunch of snakes come out of his sleeves to surround him and bite him to get out of it. (No problem with the way he got out of the gen, however he coupled this as a defense) . This technique is only A Ranked. He himself stated the technique I used was around Strong S ranked now, so his defense would be insufficient, the ground also gets turned to lava, and he did not stop that either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deidara... View Post
    Link to Fight:http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286832
    Issue: Using jutsu while under a genjutsu
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: I'm not sure if an opponent under a genjutsu (who has made no attempt to break it) can use two jutsu that require fast kneading of chakra while his chakra flow is currently being altered. Can we get a judgement on the first part of this fight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    Your Reasoning of the Issue: I believe my jutsu could indeed hit him. From what we've seen of the Jutsu, it can be done extremely quickly. Combined with the fact that my Law bio can do Earth techniques faster than normal since it's his specialty, this means it should happen even faster. This would allow me to hit him even before his fires his chakra blast. This won't violate the timeframe rules as the CW itself counts as his "first jutsu" that I must allow to happen, evident from the template a CW has to follow. I know the match has been deemed over, but I still want to show my side.
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    Link to Fight: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=286834
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