Kabuto vs Hashirama and Kabuto vs Madara

[meowNverse]

I actually think he would win both fights.
He has poison that can supress Mokuton.
A bite from his snakes=No Mokuton can be used
and no doubt in my mind that Manda II can do this as well, cause Kabuto has rebuild him from scratch again.

Snake eyelids+Dragonsage mode, block Kabuto his vision, but they grant him so many other senses, that he doesnt need his eyes for battle, making the Sharingan fairly useless.
Add his Sage Art: White Rage Technique, the sound vibration dragon sage jutsu, and Madara can forget about using his eyes.http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sage_Ar...Rage_Technique
This jutsu can stop susanoo, as shown in the manga. That is how boss it is.

Already back in part one, Kabuto showed to possess high regeneration jutsus and great offensive and defensive medical jutsus in general, even complimented by Tsunade (who wondered if Kabuto was better in medical ninjutsu than herself in her prime). So he can drag the fight on for long. He has great endurance (and i am not even counting the sound nin jutsus, some take members their powers like suigetsu).

How can Madara with EMS beat Kabuto? Even Edo Madara will have problems with Kabuto i am sure.
Manda would take out the wood dragon (as far as its useful vs Kabuto).
Kabuto knows how to battle Mokuton and Sharingan.
Rinnegan might prove difficult but Sage Art: White Rage Technique, could be used to battle the Rinnegan.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sage_Ar..._Reincarnation Can be used to battle meteors and even turn them against Madara.

Hashirama wouldnt be a match either, cause he is part of Edo Madara, who already does not stand a chance vs Kabuto.

Even casting Izanami on Kabuto, was shown to be difficult. Itachi would have lost his life several times if he wasnt Edo, or saved by Sasuke. Meaning this wont be an easy task for Madara to do.
If Kabuto finds himself, this jutsu would be useless vs him as well (its maybe the only thing that you can use as a dojutsu sharingan user, vs Kabuto).

thoughts?

[I win]

clap his hands, summon an army and beat them both at same time

[meowNverse]

clap his hands, summon an army and beat them both at same time

Well I didnt want to include Edo tensei, cause people would complain. I dont think he needs edo tensei even.
Kabuto his abilities are well suited vs Dojutsus and vs Mokuton. That is why he would be capable of defeating them imo, while Jiraiya, someone who is considered weaker than Madara and weaker than Hashirama, would probably have a better chance vs Kabuto than both of them. Its a bit of a rock paper scissor thing. Being able to take on top powers like Mokuton and Dojutsus, is quite boss :D.

[LegendaryAce]

hashirama and madara both win?

[u wanna die]

waaaa.. sounds really similar... what happen... why this ignored?

[genii96]

If kabuto has edo,he beats them at the same time even if madara was the edo version. Without edo,then he beats them one on one,but not at the same time

[meowNverse]

If kabuto has edo,he beats them at the same time even if madara was the edo version. Without edo,then he beats them one on one,but not at the same time

I know he cant do 1vs2, that is why i said Kabuto vs Hashirama and Kabuto vs Madara. If it was 1 vs 2 I would have said, Kabuto vs Hashirama and Madara .
But yeah, maybe he can take 1 vs 2 by using Edo tensei like you say.

Still waiting for Kabuto to get out of Izanami and see what power he has left.
He can probably still do Sage mode, the sound and taka jutsus, edo tensei but he will be weaker to some extend, due to losing Oro's chakra, on the other hand he will be stronger, cause he has found himself.

[genii96]

I know he cant do 1vs2, that is why i said Kabuto vs Hashirama and Kabuto vs Madara. If it was 1 vs 2 I would have said, Kabuto vs Hashirama and Madara .
But yeah, maybe he can take 1 vs 2 by using Edo tensei like you say.

Still waiting for Kabuto to get out of Izanami and see what power he has left.
He can probably still do Sage mode, the sound and taka jutsus, edo tensei but he will be weaker to some extend, due to losing Oro's chakra, on the other hand he will be stronger, cause he has found himself.

he only lost oro's chakra,he still has his sage mode,as well as all his other powers,however,his control over do is a bit limited as well as his snake powers die to oro taking his chakra back. If he wakes up from izanami,he can actrually rebuild his entire edo army as long as he has their dna and a human vessel,so he isnt much weaker without oro's chakra anyway.

[meowNverse]

he isnt much weaker without oro's chakra anyway.

I agree. Cause he will find his true self and that will grant him more strength (believing in oneself). He will lose some due to oro's chakra being gone and he will gain some due to finding his true self.

[jay2512]

i agree that kabuto could beat hashirama and madara without edo tensei. i think madara would give him more of a fight than hashirama. i think if madara had izanami then he could win.

edo itachi could have beat kabuto alone imo. sasuke didnt really save itachi in that fight, if anything, he got in itachi's way and provoked kabuto to pull out several techniques which made itachi vulnerable since he doesn't want sasuke hurt, so sasuke protection was number 1 priority. he made the best use of his edo body and if i recall got hit only twice. the first time was by saving sasuke with his susano, the second was when kabuto sliced him. i think if sasuke wasnt there, itachi could have ended kabuto before he could go dragon sage but due to plot, we had to see what kabuto's power was.

[Lightbringer]

Is it rinnegan/mokuton Madara or EMS? Regardless, Kabuto/Madara take this.

Kabuto can take down Hashi since apparently he can counter mokuton and Madara can take out Kabuto with PS since I don't think Kabuto is strong enough to break it, and his sound genjutsu or blinding light genjutsu most likely won't reach Madara way up there.

If it's rinnegan Madara, he can absorb the light as we've seen 2 chapters ago.

[ChillySnow]

How is Kabuto going to penetrate PS? I'm sure he can't make mountain size bijuu damas.

Im sure hashirama has advance doton and suiton.

[meowNverse]

How is Kabuto going to penetrate PS? I'm sure he can't make mountain size bijuu damas.

Im sure hashirama has advance doton and suiton.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sage_Ar...Rage_Technique It can even cancel Susanoo and with
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sage_Ar..._Reincarnation he could make a quick hit (or with some other ability).
Kabuto has Doton and Suiton as well btw.

If it's rinnegan Madara, he can absorb the light as we've seen 2 chapters ago.

That light used by the alliance was a lightning ninjutsu. Kabuto his sage jutsu, is not elemental, it is senjutsu.

[ChillySnow]

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sage_Ar...Rage_Technique It can even cancel Susanoo and with
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sage_Ar..._Reincarnation he could make a quick hit (or with some other ability).
Kabuto has Doton and Suiton as well btw.

Knowledge? IC? Bloodlusted?

Hashi prob has other jutsu we don't know of. I have a hard time seeing how he could beat EMS madara+Kyuubi at the same time with just mokuton.

[meowNverse]

Knowledge? IC? Bloodlusted?

Hashi prob has other jutsu we don't know of. I have a hard time seeing how he could beat EMS madara+Kyuubi at the same time with just mokuton.

What do you mean with knowledge IC and bloodlusted?

Hashi his jutsus have been told. Mokuton, no seal healing, the mokuton tree world, the folower tree world, the wood dragon, wood clones, bijou supressing powers, contract seals, and maybe some other extra minor jutsus. This seem quite the arsenal to take down Madara + Kurama.

[TheSages456]

joke thread. kabuto gets stomped against either of them with no diff.

[meowNverse]

joke thread. kabuto gets stomped against either of them with no diff.

Kabuto has all the tools in his arsenal to beat them. His design counters their abilities.

If you are so sure that Kabuto would get stomped, why dont you back it up?

[TheSages456]

Kabuto has all the tools in his arsenal to beat them. His design counters their abilities.

If you are so sure that Kabuto would get stomped, why dont you back it up?

your post is both amusing and utterly ridiculous. butthurt about what?

white rage couldnt even stop itachi from using susano. perfect susano fodderizes. flower tree world fodderizes.
/thread.

[ChillySnow]

What do you mean with knowledge IC and bloodlusted?

Hashi his jutsus have been told. Mokuton, no seal healing, the mokuton tree world, the folower tree world, the wood dragon, wood clones, bijou supressing powers, contract seals, and maybe some other extra minor jutsus. This seem quite the arsenal to take down Madara + Kurama.

If bloodlusted madara swings his PS sword at the very beggining etc etc etc

Was talking about penetrating PS and blocking PS slashes, Genjutsus, Amaterasu, Meteor, Katon(thought this has the elemental advantage over wood), and supressing the complete kyuubi at same time.

[genii96]

If bloodlusted madara swings his PS sword at the very beggining etc etc etc

Was talking about penetrating PS and blocking PS slashes, Genjutsus, Amaterasu, Meteor, Katon(thought this has the elemental advantage over wood), and supressing the complete kyuubi at same time.

ems madara dosent have meteors. Madara dosent use ama as he hasnt used it since his entrance.

On topic,kabuto beats either of them 1 on 1,but with edo he beats both at the same time

[ChillySnow]

ems madara dosent have meteors. Madara dosent use ama as he hasnt used it since his entrance.

On topic,kabuto beats either of them 1 on 1,but with edo he beats both at the same time

This thread is talking about both EMS and edo madara.....

[genii96]

This thread is talking about both EMS and edo madara.....

oh,sorry abt that.

Kabuto with edo beats edo madara,and hashirama together

[USSJ Future Trunks]

kabuto summons 32 edo tenseis and proceeds to solo both at once.
assuming they dont give him that kind of time, he turns to water and sheds his skin while going underground to get some distance, then does the above.

edo itachi could have beat kabuto alone imo. sasuke didnt really save itachi in that fight, if anything, he got in itachi's way and provoked kabuto to pull out several techniques which made itachi vulnerable since he doesn't want sasuke hurt

lol and im sure sasuke didnt want itachi hurt either, edo or not. hence his reaction whenever itachi was. so they held each other back. and no, sasuke did save him several times. itachi could not have gotten out of genjutsu without him. and kabuto would have fought differently if he had no inhibitions about killing intent.

f bloodlusted madara swings his PS sword at the very beggining

kabuto senses it coming and hides underground. a swinging sword is far slower than a susano arrow nigh point blank

white rage couldnt even stop itachi from using susano. perfect susano fodderizes. flower tree world fodderizes.

perfect susano takes an immense amount of chakra to use and wont be stabalised immediately. in that time, edo mu disintegrates it. same with flowers. kabuto would have given his body antibodies and countermeasures against being poisoned. its careless of him not to

kabuto gets stomped against either of them with no diff.

how do they stop 33 immortal zombies at once?

How is Kabuto going to penetrate PS?

its not instant. he beats madara before it stabalises

[TheSages456]

a not stabilized PS is the same size as the stabilized version

kabuto can do nothing against it.

kabuto making antibodies against the flower world is speculation thus it cant be used in debates.

[karol the don]

noone can defeat edo madara one by one except the rikoodu kabuto get just balled down like a boss,ps mokuton uber katon techniques kabuto just hits the floor bra