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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

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    Well this was a great chapter; Sasuke has embraced his evil side, Raikage has been itchin for a fight, Madara is Caught by Kakashi and Yamato and we dont know if white Zetsu dead and...Wait a sec...WHERE THE HELL DID BLACK ZETSU GO???? Great job Kishi; Solid A; Well there are a lot of things to get to so lets first start off with Sasuke.

    Well, if you didnt think that Sasuke was evil now after reading this chapter, we then you have to change your definition of EVIL; 1st, Madara said that he was gonna tell the about the man who was eaten up by all the Ninja worlds Hatred and Bitterness; Sasuke is really angery and I honestly think that he doesnt care anymore; 2nd, Sasuke killed all those Samuri, That means that he doesnt care who he kills thats in his way; 3rd, You know that big black thing thats holding Sasuke in the palm of his hand, Thats not a demon or a tailed beast; That thing is all of Sasuke's Hatred and Revenge; it symbolizes that he's embraced it and that he is now a villian; 4th, lets not forget what Karin said, "Sasuke's chakra is different, I've never seen him like this before...Its even darker than his second stage of his curse seal...and colder."; Prediction: Sasuke is gonna either Kill the Raikage and Danzo, or Injure the Raikage beyond belief, Kill Danzo, and the Raikage will die from too much blood loss; As I said before, He's gonna kill two Kagesm and since he's gonna fight the Raikage, I have to believe its gonna be him and Danzo.

    Next, Madara; In my opinion that was a great entrance by Kakashi and Yamato to get in there and Save Naruto as quick as they could but the thing that troubles me is that Madara could have taken Naruto without that even happening; Another thing that scares me is that Madara said that he has a plan, which brings me to Where did black Zetsu go? I think that black Zetsu is hiding somewhere waiting for the right moment to Try to make a move on Naruto; but Thats where it gets blury; I dont think that the plan will work because it can be thwarted in many differnent ways; Sakura, Sai and Shikamaru could come in and save him; Or Kakashi could make a Shadow clone and Save him, or Naruto could use the Sexy No Jutsu save himself...What? Zetsu has to get some love too. :D

    On another note; Madara also Kept refering to himself in the third person; But what if Madara isnt Madara? I wasnt really a doubter up until this later chapter but what if that was the case? The two possible People that I could think of that could be it are Shuishi(Spelling?) Uchiha's Body...or The Yondaime Mizukage with Madara's Eye; it would make sense seeing as how we havent seen Madara without his Sharingan off, Kisame called him the Mizukage, or his face behind that mask; Prediction: Madara will probably say something about Sasuke that will take about a chapter, this will set up Black Zetsu to ATTEMPT to capture Naruto.

    On a Final note we have Sai, Sakura, and Shikamaru; They werent featured in this chapter meaning that what they are doing at this moment is either not important right now, Kishi is building up time for a flashback, or Kishi is gonna make them have a big entrance; at any rate we have to remember that they are still out there and they're on they're still on the back burner; Prediction: they'll probably have a minor role in the next chapter.

    This was a great chapter and I hope Kishi keeps it rolling into next week.
    I don' t think he plans on taking right now because he only has him and the black zetsu and kisame to do the seal,also they have to get the eight tails first. I think he is intrested like he said about and he wants to change view about the village by telling him what the elders and Danzou did to cause the hatered in . So I beleive will end up leaving the village.
    I can see what your saying but at the same time you have to take into accout that Madara says that he has a plan; On another note, I dont think they need to essentailly go in order seeing as how the akatsuki went after Naruto in the first part of the story; remember when Naruto and Jiraiya were looking for Tsunade; I think they'd be still able to take the Kyuubi.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by mathura1484 View Post
    and sasuke will end up wanting to kill all those who stand in his way again even if it is naruto....madara will use this to try and capture naru later on...and also to mold sasuke...mada IS going to use sasuke like he did nagato thats a no brainer lol...
    maybe but something tells sasuke is going to die before madara can get his hands on him. or maybe he will die with madara TRYING to get his hands on him. also, sasuke will never be able to do anything to naruto, i'm almost sure. if they are in battle, naruto will not be soft with words with sasuke again
    [bcuz sakura is coming right now tell him that he could let go of the promise about "bring sasuke back!!"] and he will proll end up BAMBAM beating up sasuke [laughs]
    i really dnt think sasuke is ever going to change his mind and come back to konoha, not after all this. like madara stated, sasuke is "the man eaten up by the ninja worlds hatred and bitterness". and even if he did, nobody but maybe naruto will accept him rofl. ;]
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    ye, i dont think madara is really madara he says his name way to much.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by kurd4life View Post
    ye, i dont think madara is really madara he says his name way to much.
    oh...well...
    i dont get how that is a solid conclusion to him not being madara...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    love how tobi just walks in for a chat
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch0n12 View Post
    i think sasuke got a bijuu xDD that chakra sounds like the chakra of the Kyuubi xD
    i know its wired but for some reason im thinking that sasuke has the evil chakra of the kyuubi????
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer101 View Post
    i know its wired but for some reason im thinking that sasuke has the evil chakra of the kyuubi????
    I dont think so; When Madara was about to talk to Naruto about Sasuke, he said that he was gonna tell him about the Shinobi that was infected with the Hatered of the world, Sasuke Uchiha; I think that's Sasuke's own Hatred and Want for Power and Revenge that is holding Sasuke in the palm of its hand; Hatered and revenge are like a beast that will grab hold of you and pull you down forever; I think we're witnessing that manafest in its true form right now with Sasuke
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto1217 View Post
    There's no way he can kill all Five Kages, but he can kill two to solidify his place as a villian in the story; It would kind of make sense for him to kill the Raikage b/c the Raikage was the one who wanted him dead in the first place; Plus they are all ready going to fight and I dont think the Raikage will ever stop goin after Sasuke if he is not takin down now; On a third note, The Raikage is just a support character anyway and he's already lived out his purpose.

    The second one he'll kill is Danzo; I know that maybe we havent heard anything about danzo in a while, but do you really think Kishi wont have Danzo explain his sharingan while Sasuke and him are fighting? Plus Danzo is only INTERM Hokage; I found this out when I was reading some of the chapters over again; He still would need a vote from all the Jounin in the village to be solidified as Hokage; Naruto 456 page 06 | One Manga; Lets face it, after word gets out about what happened at the conference with him controling the madorator the Jounin are gonna be like, **** this shit; I Think Danzo has out lived his purpose for the story and Sasuke has to much determination at the moment to kill him that he will die by the end of the conference.
    I know where you are coming from, and I also like/hate Sasuke, but Raikage is a heavyweight. Mangekyou sharingan has certainly made Sasuke stronger, but if he could not beat Killer Bee, who almost killed him without even trying, do you think he is going to take down Raikage? I think Kishimoto would make arrangements in the manga so that Raikage and Sasuke stop fighting due to an unexpected factor. Remeber that a war will probably occur because of their confrontation.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Great chapter. Zetsu got choked up like alil *****. LoL!

    I totally agree with SageD and Naruto1217. Sasuke is gona kick some major ass with his pure EVIL chakra. That chakra WAS/IS gripping him and smiling in satisfaction AS IF it has Sasuke in control, but like my homeboys said here and Karin said it as well - Its Sasuke's chakra he has been totally consumed by his hatred. And I think the Raikage is in for the fight of his life and anyone that gets in Sasukes way (cause hes pissed LoL). This is a new Sasuke people.

    Plus so much comotion going on I wonder who else is gona face who...?
    Can't wait for the next chapter, after waiting for 2 weeks for this one, I dont feel so bad waiting for just a week for this next one.

    About the Madara, Naruto, Kakashi, and Yamato scene. Im not really sure what to expect. I mean, last time Tobi wanted to "talk" he got someone to all of a sudden want to take down Konoha all on his own and somehow everything is going just as he planned.

    And about ...who cares, they really haven't done anything critical just yet.

    Aside from the story, just some things I was thinking about, for the ones who hate Sasuke getting strong:

    IMO... Naruto and Sasuke (main characters) have the Saiyan factor. Naruto the "Goku training factor" and Sasuke the "Goku fighting factor" meaning that if you look at Naruto, he's gotten super strong from his rigorous training with all the badasses from Konoha (the Master scroll in the beginning, Kakashi, Jaraiya, and the elder frog). And Sasuke after every battle he gets stronger and stronger especially after coming back from near death (only with Taka its possible) He might have gotten his powers by someone or something else (i.e. Orochimaru - cursed seal or Itachi - Amaterasu) but the point is that some way or somehow he will learn or already be stronger than the previous fight and come harder in the next battle. :D
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi Sama View Post
    I know where you are coming from, and I also like/hate Sasuke, but Raikage is a heavyweight. Mangekyou sharingan has certainly made Sasuke stronger, but if he could not beat Killer Bee, who almost killed him without even trying, do you think he is going to take down Raikage? I think Kishimoto would make arrangements in the manga so that Raikage and Sasuke stop fighting due to an unexpected factor. Remeber that a war will probably occur because of their confrontation.
    Thats my point, If they stop fighting then there no point in a war starting b/c an alliance will formed by the kages and Kishi has already said that there's gonna be a 4th great ninja war; and it wouldnt make sense if Raikage stopped Sasuke here and now b/c that would put a huge stall on the story; but it would make sense that Sasuke would take down the Raikage b/c it would make Cloud want to fight Konoha, and start the beginning of the war; For all intents and purposess though, this is just us predicting so I wont be suprised if Sasuke goes in your direction or mine.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi Sama View Post
    I know where you are coming from, and I also like/hate Sasuke, but Raikage is a heavyweight. Mangekyou sharingan has certainly made Sasuke stronger, but if he could not beat Killer Bee, who almost killed him without even trying, do you think he is going to take down Raikage? I think Kishimoto would make arrangements in the manga so that Raikage and Sasuke stop fighting due to an unexpected factor. Remeber that a war will probably occur because of their confrontation.
    I hope that Naruto interferes. Although he's speaking with Uchiha Madara and it seems unlikely that he would leave Yamato and Kakashi with him (seeing as Madara has a "plan" and could prevent him from leaving) it would just be a good twist to the plot in my opinion. If Sasuke saw Naruto though, I don't think he'd be the least bit grateful.

     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    i reread chapter 460 and notice on page 14 that juugo started to say something he said "thats" so its possible that the shadow is from him or that the revenge and hatred was fueled by him
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    whats this about sasuke being controled by madara, sasuke made it clear he isnt realy following his orders hes just using madara since they have similar interests. its gonna be like the orochimaru double-cross all over again that shud be obvious since sasuke said he was gonna kill the other uchiha responsible for murdering the clan and he has tried to kill madara twice already. madara wants to but i bet sasuke will kill him b4 the synk wit gedo, he just dosent have a way of killing him yet.and ive read the theories about the dark figure that surrounded sasuke, there is a 55% to 45% ratio in my opinion... 45% being the figure was a representation of how evil sasukes aura or chakra has become, then the 55% would be the posibility of the evilnes and rage of sasuke being related to jugo basicaly fusing with him, jugos reaction which "sugested" or "implied" he knew why sasuke was acting like that makes this the most logical conclusion thus the 55%, especialy since jugo has uncontrolable murderous urges unless supressed.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by kydo View Post
    whats this about sasuke being controled by madara, sasuke made it clear he isnt realy following his orders hes just using madara since they have similar interests. its gonna be like the orochimaru double-cross all over again that shud be obvious since sasuke said he was gonna kill the other uchiha responsible for murdering the clan and he has tried to kill madara twice already. madara wants to but i bet sasuke will kill him b4 the synk wit gedo, he just dosent have a way of killing him yet.and ive read the theories about the dark figure that surrounded sasuke, there is a 55% to 45% ratio in my opinion... 45% being the figure was a representation of how evil sasukes aura or chakra has become, then the 55% would be the posibility of the evilnes and rage of sasuke being related to jugo basicaly fusing with him, jugos reaction which "sugested" or "implied" he knew why sasuke was acting like that makes this the most logical conclusion thus the 55%, especialy since jugo has uncontrolable murderous urges unless supressed.

    I dont know about the percentages but you pretty much nailed it. Good break down :D
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    This was an awesome chap. well worth the wait i think. i really like how madra jus showed up in naruto's room like that. super cool!!!!! even better than that was naruto making a clon and then doin his signiture move without even a moments notice. Kishi really showed naruto's strenght in one page. i think that madra showed up @ naruto's to keep him from tryin to stop sasuke like he did with nagato. i mean nagato and naruto didn't even kno eachother and he was able to stop him so i kno he could've atleast calmed down sasuke. i also believe that the power that was shown around sasuke was madra's doing like how he was able to control the fox. And i can't wait til the konoha 11 show up. i wonder how everythings gonna play out them or if they'll even get a chance to do something besides talk. cant wait til next week!!!!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Dont know if its been said already but this chapter pretty much proves that Madara isnt Danzou for the fact being that Danzou is in the Kage meeting being closely watched by AO in the other shinobi there while Madara is conversating with Kakashi, Naruto and Yamato.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    No offense but everyone on the 1st page are idiots.... That dark shadow is Madara's NEW MOON jutsu. The same he used to controll Nagato. He used it on only on the two of them cuz they were his only real threats. This jutsu is nearly impossible to break but some how Naruto was able to break through to Nagato with his fight with him. THAT'S WHY MADARA WENT TO SEE NARUTO. HE WANTED TO KNOW HOW NARUTO FREE'D NAGATO.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Caliburn View Post
    Go Raikage!

    And I'm wondering what the black shadow is. Is it something that really exists or did he just draw it as the personification of Sasuke's dark thoughts?

    And the convo between Madara(he again claimed to be Madara) and Naruto should be interesting.
    No offense but everyone on the 1st page are idiots.... That dark shadow is Madara's NEW MOON jutsu. The same he used to controll Nagato. He used it on only on the two of them cuz they were his only real threats. This jutsu is nearly impossible to break but some how Naruto was able to break through to Nagato with his fight with him. THAT'S WHY MADARA WENT TO SEE NARUTO. HE WANTED TO KNOW HOW NARUTO FREE'D NAGATO
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Alright first of all the dark figure behind Sauske isnt a demon or something that has to do with the curse seal, I can tell there's a lot of young people in here who cant tell when Kishi is symbolizing something or using a figure of speech of someway. The Dark monster figure symbolizes Sauske's hatred and feelings of revenge, pretty much evil feelings. Someone who is turning evil. Another thing the curse mark was removed by Itachi during their fight, its even said afterwards by I forgot who, I think Madara tells Sauske that after Madara retrieves him from the Itachi fight and reveals who he is. 3rd Juggo heals him by fusing some of his chakra with Sauske and clearly states THAT BECUAE SAUSKE WAS ABLE TO WITHSTAND AND SURVIVE THE CURSE MARK GIVEN TO HIM BY OROCHIMARU THEN HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND AND SURVIVE THE CHAKRA FUSION TO HEAL SAUSKE!!! Im sure people have gone over this already but some KIDS dont understand.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga 460 Discussion / 461 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto1217 View Post
    I can see what your saying but at the same time you have to take into accout that Madara says that he has a plan; On another note, I dont think they need to essentailly go in order seeing as how the akatsuki went after Naruto in the first part of the story; remember when Naruto and Jiraiya were looking for Tsunade; I think they'd be still able to take the Kyuubi.
    No offense but everyone on the 1st page are idiots.... That dark shadow is Madara's NEW MOON jutsu. The same he used to controll Nagato. He used it on only on the two of them cuz they were his only real threats. This jutsu is nearly impossible to break but some how Naruto was able to break through to Nagato with his fight with him. THAT'S WHY MADARA WENT TO SEE NARUTO. HE WANTED TO KNOW HOW NARUTO FREE'D NAGATO
     
         

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